9/11 and the Fog of Denial

9/11Thirteen years after 9/11, there is one thing that virtually all our politicians, law enforcement officials, and mainstream media guardians of opinion know: that attack had nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, and neither does any other jihad terror attack, anywhere, no matter how often its perpetrators quote the Qur’an and invoke Muhammad. Islam, we’re told again and again, is a good, benign thing – indeed, a positive force for societies, and to be encouraged in the West. Jihad terror is an aberration, an outrage against the Religion of Peace’s peaceful teachings. These lessons from our betters are coming more and more often in light of the advent of the Islamic State.

The caliph Ibrahim, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has a PhD in Islamic Studies. But Barack Obama is unimpressed with his Islamic erudition: “ISIL speaks for no religion. Their victims are overwhelmingly Muslim, and no faith teaches people to massacre innocents.” State Department spokesperson Marie Harf emphasized that Obama meant what he said: “ISIL does not operate in the name of any religion. The president has been very clear about that, and the more we can underscore that, the better.”

Secretary of State John Kerry said that for some members of the international coalition he hopes to build against the Islamic State, joining it “will mean demolishing the distortion of one of the world’s great peaceful religions.”

British Prime Minister David Cameron chimed in:

What we are witnessing is actually a battle between Islam on the one hand and extremists who want to abuse Islam on the other. These extremists, often funded by fanatics living far away from the battlefields, pervert the Islamic faith as a way of justifying their warped and barbaric ideology – and they do so not just in Iraq and Syria but right across the world, from Boko Haram and al-Shabaab to the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

Where is “Islam” actually battling these “extremists who want to abuse Islam”? Cameron didn’t say.

Showing as much grasp of the situation as Kerry, British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond declared: “Isil’s so-called caliphate has no moral legitimacy; it is a regime of torture, arbitrary punishment and murder that goes against the most basic beliefs of Islam.” On the opposite side of the aisle, Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper complained that Islamic State “extremists are beheading people and parading their heads on spikes, subjugating women and girls, killing Muslims, Christians and anyone who gets in their way. This is no liberation movement — only a perverted, oppressive ideology that bears no relation to Islam.”

Unfortunately, for every Islamic State atrocity she enumerated, there is Qur’anic sanction:

Beheading people: “When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks…” (Qur’an 47:4).

Subjugating women and girls: “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them” (Qur’an 4:34).

Killing Muslims: “They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya’ (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad SAW). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya’ (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them” (Qur’an 4:89).

Killing Christians: “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

Even if the Islamic State is misinterpreting or misunderstanding these verses, it is doing so in a way that accords with their obvious literal meaning. That should, at very least, lead to a public discussion about the possibility of Islamic reform, what is being taught in mosques in the West, and related issues. But such a discussion is not forthcoming; it would be “Islamophobic.”

And why does it matter, anyway? Why does it make any difference whether or not what the Islamic State is doing is in accord with Islamic texts and teachings?

It matters for many reasons. Aside from all the vague condemnations of the Islamic State that American Muslim groups have issued, how closely the Islamic State actually hews to the letter of Islamic law will help determine how much support it will ultimately get from Muslims worldwide. Two American Muslims have already been killed fighting for it; how many more will there be? Only by examining the Islamic State’s actions in light of an honest assessment of Islamic teachings will we be able to estimate to what extent we can expect to see its actions replicated by other Muslims elsewhere.

These dismissals of the Islamic State’s Islam, of course, are designed to assure us that we need not have any concerns about massive rates of Muslim immigration and the Muslims already living among us. One problem with this is that it prevents authorities from calling upon Muslim communities to teach against the doctrines that the Islamic State acts upon, and to work for genuine reform. And so the door remains open to the possibility that the actions of the Islamic State could be repeated in Western countries.

Barack Obama, David Cameron and the rest would do far better to confront the Islamic State’s Islamic justifications for its actions and call on Muslims in the U.S., the U.K. and elsewhere to teach against these understandings of Islam that they ostensibly reject. But they never do that, and apparently have no interest in doing it. Instead, they foster complacency among the people of the West. For doing so, they may never pay a price, but their people will almost certainly have to pay, and pay dearly.

On Wednesday, Australian police raided an Islamic bookstore and arrested two Muslims on terror charges relating to their activities in recruiting Muslims for the jihad in Syria. Australian Federal Police National Manager Counter Terrorism Assistant Commissioner Neil Gaughan insisted: “This has got nothing to do with Islam, this is criminal behaviour by Australians involved in terrorist activity.”

Gaughan could have uttered the epitaph of the West: “This has nothing to do with Islam.” As the jihadist’s knife slices through their necks, Western officials like him will use their dying breaths to gasp it out one more time: “This has nothing to do with Islam.”

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  • truebearing

    These so-called leaders can’t be stupid enough to believe their own statements, so it has to be cowardice, dishonesty, or both. Someone with the IQ of a fruitfly could see the correlation between Muslim terrorism and the teachings of Islam, yet we are supposed to believe that well educated, powerful politicians with access to intelligence we never see, actually believe the lies they shamelessly tell their citizens. BS. They are cowards and liars.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      According to leftist elites only leftist elites know what “True Islam” really is.

      • Softly Bob

        Yes, that’s because people who are experts and have been studying the Q’uran and the Hadiths for years, like Abu Hamza, Al-Baghdadi, and most of the Taliban are clueless extremists who don’t know anything about Islam, whereas people who only know once verse from the Q’uran which they learned from a friend five years ago are the ones who are qualified to tell the rest of the World what Islam really is.
        That makes complete sense according to the bizarre logic of your average Leftist.

      • Jack Wilson

        “True Islam” is like the “Tooth Fairy”. A lot of people tell stories about it, but nobody has ever seen it.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          LIke “True Socialism”. Never properly practiced.

          • http://socialistparty-usa.net/ Actual Socialist

            I love you too. And yes, true Socialism has been practiced. Spain in 1936 and the Israeli kibbutz.

      • Pericles

        They make the same claim about everything under the sun. They are the chosen ones, the only ones who possess absolute truth.

        They are like the patients seeing a psychiatrist who tell the psychiatrist that he is the one out of touch with reality.

    • Softly Bob

      Seeing the blindingly obvious has never been a strong point of the Left. They’ll spot all sorts of hidden clues when it comes to their little conspiracy theories but they can never see what’s in front of their faces.

      I swear to you that if a terrorist jumped out at one of them brandishing a sword, wearing a beard, yelling “Allahu-Ackbar, die infidel”, he’d still swear blind that he was being attacked by a White Tea-party Redneck!

    • Shane

      It makes no sense for them to continually lie to us about Islam being a peaceful religion other than they do not want to offend Muslims by telling the truth about their religion. I don’t care if Muslims are offended, tell the truth about Muhammad and the Religion of War that he created.

    • Pericles

      Their cowardice makes them stupid.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    Let’s dispense with the PC. Let’s say that nobody on Earth “really” knows what “true Islam” is. ISIS believes that it follows Islamic texts and traditions. Next question.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Just like nobody knows what true “socialism” is.

  • DaCoachK

    Islam has been at war with us since, at least, 1979 when the Iranian students, all jacked up over Ayatollah What’s-his-face’s rhetoric,took over our embassy, and that embarrassment Jimmuh Carter did nothing. It wasn’t until after 9-11-01 that the USA decided to fight back. However, as with every military venture since Korea, the country didn’t have the stomach to do the necessary things to win. These people are savage animals. Mecca should have been glowing on 9-12-01. The “There are good Muslims” tripe is irrelevant. There were good Germans too, but we still fire-bombed Dresden.

    • Gee

      Islam has been at war with the United States since 11 October 1784, when they seized the brigantine Betsey and enslaved the crew

      • nobullhere

        And been at war with the infidel since 623 AD. Those who fought for our freedom like Pelayo, Martel, Sobieski and many others never seem to feature in any history lessons these days.

  • JVictor

    The “western” “leaders” are guilty of aiding and abetting those who are spreading the scourge of Islam across the globe. They aren’t western leaders; they are Islam advocates who should be tried for treason.

    • wildjew

      Indeed but why shouldn’t we blame the public as well. They’ve got to want to hear these lies. Americans have to want to believe Islam is a religion of peace or they would not tolerate these lies.

      • phoebeintheforest

        Maybe. However, I think a surprisingly large number of Americans are simply not paying attention at all. And the rest of us who are up to speed on the danger of Islam are waiting for leaders to emerge who will take on the politicians. I sometimes attend local Tea Party meetings, and most of us are over 60! Revolutions are led by young people. We need to have something like the anti-Vietnam War demonstrations. We need to have tens of thousands of Americans in the streets and demonstrating in front of the White House, Congress, governors’ mansions, etc. in order to get the attention of our “powers that be.”

        Until then it will be business as usual.

        • wildjew

          I am also over 60. If a schlub like me could get up to speed on the fundamentals of the religion of Islam within months of the 9/11/2001 attacks why can’t other Americans? Spencer’s books are widely available, at Amazon and Audible.com if people don’t have time to read his books. What excuses giants like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc. lying about Islam? Just yesterday I heard Limbuagh parrot another one of Bush’s misrepresentation about the Saudis in response to a caller — the Saudis were up to their eyeballs financing bin Laden and al-Qaeda by means of their government charities. How can a man who calls himself “Mr. Big” be so darn ignorant about this critical threat? Shouldn’t honesty about the enemy be a prerequisite for our Republican nominee for president? Mitt Romney was just as bad a George W. Bush on Islam, Israel, etc. What gives?

  • lies die

    When the war starts, and it will eventually, with millions fighting millions, we need to take the western leaders and place them in jail for having allowed this atrocity to exist. As far as Obama is concerned, his infamous Cairo Speech in 2009 was all you needed to hear to know that he is a radical Muslim sympathizer, and a man who would never raise a hand to defend innocent Christians. See “Cairo Decoded” here.

    http://www.frontlineofdefense.com/americas-enemies/cairo-decoded

    • Peter Osborne

      Obama even has difficulty saying the word “Christian”. his “pastor” is a “former” muslim too…..

      • lies die

        agreed

      • truebearing

        Yes, they are both supposedly Christians, which means they are apostates since both were once Muslims, yet they still have lots of powerful Muslim friends. Muslims are supposed to kill apostates, but Obama and Wright are treated differently. Could it be that Obama’s and Wright’s conversions to Christianity were fraudulent? Everything else about Obama is.

        • Peter Osborne

          That’s why I used “Christian” etc… I think you are correct as do MANY others.

        • mikeh420

          0bama’s religion is Black Revisionism, it’s not about loving Jesus, it’s about hating Whitey.

    • Rob

      we need to take the western leaders and place them in jail for having allowed this atrocity to exist…………I say, let’s put them on the front lines!

      • lies die

        I like it

  • TopAssistant

    Our USELESS politicians at all levels of government have been kicking this can down the road for over 200 years now without addressing the read issues…..

    If you would like to read what our Founding Fathers thought about the Koran and
    Islam, go online and type in your search engine: “John Adams Koran, 1806,
    Alcoran of Mahomet” or you can go directly to this link: http://archive.org/details/korancommonlycal00john
    and you will come to John Adams Koran published in 1806.
    Look to the upper left side of the first page and you will see a blinking icon, “View the Book”, right below it you will find, “Read it Online”, link to it and read the 2nd & 3rd pages. It will tell you what they thought of the Koran and it is not what the Islamists and media pundits tell us today!

    Here is another excellent source on it: An Historical Perspective on a Muslim – Being Sworn into Congress on the Koran by David Barton, January, 2007

    http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=374

    • phoebeintheforest

      I have often thought that if the Founding Fathers could’ve looked into the future and seen how Islam has invaded America, they would’ve put something into the Constitution to prevent them from coming here.

      I remember my mother, RAF WWII veteran & secretary to an American general at the Nuremberg Trials, telling me that Islam spread throughout the Middle East at the tip of a sword and if you didn’t convert, you got your head chopped off.

      But then, her generation had no problem facing the truth…

      • Patriot077

        When they learned through their Barbary Pirates experience they made certain to educate themselves and recommend the public do the same – and to also teach their children.
        Geert Wilders commented in his book about this and it seems strange that across the pond they are admiring of our Founders, while we suffer the fools who can’t accept the truth and beauty of that which made America unique.

  • disqus_Imoi7LGhwf

    Well, according to Obama, ISIL is not Islamic.

    Then what is it, Mr. Zero? Jewish? Atheist? Buddhist? Or perhaps Christian?

    • Yasha7

      Ummm…Tea Party?

  • wildjew

    I’ve been watching Fox News because it is better than the others. Fox challenges Obama on virtually everything he does and says. Why isn’t Fox News taking on Obama on these lies? Why doesn’t Fox interview Robert Spencer instead of scholar on Islam, Karl Rove?

    • reyol

      Because one of the Saudis (I forget his name) actually owns a large percentage of Fox. Enough to be able to call Murdoch directly to have anything harmful to Islam squashed.

      • wildjew

        Great point! Thanks for the reminder. Prince Alwaleed bin Talal the prince who tried to give Mayor Rudy Giuliani a $10 million check at ground zero while reminding the mayor how U.S. policy (i.e., support for Israel) contributed to the September atrocities. The mayor returned the check. A few years back Fox moderator banned me from posting on their new stories (something they no longer do; you’ve got to go to Fox Nation to post on stories) because I mentioned bin Talal and Fox.

  • Gee

    Islam teaches that anybody that isn’t the same as you including the Muslim sect and tribe is not an innocent. So no Islam doesn’t teach their members to target innocents – they teach that anybody in the world is not an innocent and must be targeted.

  • RAM500

    To admit the truth about Islam would be to accept the duty to defeat it.

    • phoebeintheforest

      And that is it exactly…they are too afraid to accept the duty to defeat such a powerful adversary.

  • Elizabeth capecod

    Deniers have the luxury of burying their heads in the sand, while hundreds ( or thousands) of victims have their heads on a stick.

  • wildjew

    Just watched Rep. Peter King on Fox News.

    Fox News anchor: “What do you say in response to President Obama who insists ISIS stands for no religion…” etc.

    King: “ISIS embraces a distorted version of Islam…”

    King is contemplating entering the race for 2016 Republican presidential nominee.

    • William

      King is an islamophobic D-bag. A few days ago he was urging Obama to use his executive power to send troops to Iraq, apparently unaware that he had sent troops weeks ago.

      • wildjew

        You think King hates all things Islamic or Muslim?

        • William

          Yes. He once said that there’s too many mosques in America. He does not respect freedom of religion. He is a conservative extremist.

          • wildjew

            If a religion is violent and supremacist from its inception should it be afforded the same protections as a religion which isn’t essentially violent or supremacist in your opinion?

          • William

            All religions deserve protection.

          • wildjew

            Would you protect a religion that sanctions human sacrifice?

          • William

            As long as religious people don’t kill anyone, why should they lose their right to worship?

          • wildjew

            You feel those who don’t kill anyone but sympathize with (maybe give zakat to) those who do should have the same rights and protections as you and I do, who do not sympathize with or support murderous terrorists?

          • Softly Bob

            Of course, many Nazis didn’t actually kill anybody, so yeah let’s allow Nazism to flourish shall we?

          • Gorga Naibaho

            Try saying that when they’re sawing off your head.

          • William

            You must be really frightened of Muslims. In reality, they are not as scary as they appear in the propaganda news.

          • Gorga Naibaho

            I live in a country with the world’s largest population of Muslims. I have Muslim friends and colleagues and even family members and dated Muslim girls. I have studied them and their religion. Not afraid a single bit of them, simply not a politically correct man, and besides NONE of them are scary. Not all Muslims are violent, but ISIS certainly are, and politically correct Westerners like you who deny there is a problem are part of that problem. How much do you know about Islam, anyway?

          • William

            I’ve studied the religion, and had to learn about Muslims before I moved to a Sunni-dominated part of the world. I lived for a number of years in an area under Sharia Law. I never had a problem with any of them. Nice folks, really.

          • Gorga Naibaho

            If anything, ISIS are the Fundamentalist Reformers who want the world to go back to Muhammad’s unadulterated teachings while the moderates are simply practicing taqiyya or are not hardcore enough in their faith. The moderates are spat on by ISIS and their ilk and might as well have been Heretics. The problem is when the rest of Muslims decide to be more like ISIS and that is a distinct possibility because ISIS can back up their claim of being the True Muslims by simply pointing to the Quran.

          • William

            The way I see it the ISIL people are religious ultra-conservatives. Radical fundamentalists. This belief you have that Muslims are lying to you to cover up a sinister agenda is silly. Ask any Muslim about Taqiyya. and BTW, everyone who is religious believes their religion/sect/denomination is the one true faith.

          • wildjew

            Do you really think there is something “conservative” about beheading and crucifying non-believers?

          • Gorga Naibaho

            Yeah so what next, William? That ISIS are practically Islam’s Tea Partiers? I said the moderates are either doing Taqiyya or are not being faithful enough. Ask any Muslim? That is funny – if they ARE practicing it, they won’t admit it and if they AREN’T, then they will also say no – so the same answer. It is up to observers to make a better judgment by observing their behavior. Your last sentence though has been proven correct by the behavior of ISIS themselves toward their Muslim enemies; it doesn’t excuse whatever they do.

          • Softly Bob

            I don’t care if the moderates believe that they are practising the true Islam. (Oh phew, that’s ok then. Not a problem.)
            Even if only 10% are terrorists that’s still nearly 200 million psychopaths in the World.
            The truth is the moderates are either lying or they are simply not practicing the true Islam.
            The true Islam comes from the Hadiths, the Q’uran and from Mohammed himself. Everything else is just pseudo-Islam, a religion by a different name.
            Do you honestly believe that if a group of Nazis came along and said “we don’t believe that Nazism has been interpreted properly. Our version of Nazism is peaceful and we actually love Jews” that would suddenly make Nazism okay?
            You’d have to be living on Planet Deluded to accept that sort of nonsense.

          • truebearing

            They are the ultra-conservatives of Islam, idiot, but by acknowledging that you understand that they are conservatives who beileve in fundamental Islam, you inescapably acknowledge that they are acting in accordance with the true teachings of Islam. They are the true Muslims. Therefore, devout Muslims are what ISIS is: bloodthirsty fanatics who follow a religion that sanctions evil.

            Part of your problem is that you have a distorted understanding of what “conservative” means. A conservative Christian is not the same as a conservative Muslim or conservative Marxist (yes, that is possible). Conservatives want change to happen slowly, if at all, and only after much deliberation, as opposed to liberals who knee jerk to everything, or leftists who want to destroy tradition and convention and impose radical change, quickly.

            Those who dogmatically follow every word of Marx are conservative Marxists. They believe what he wrote and don’t accept what they see as perversions of his doctrine. They believe they are the true marxists, and they are. The Islamists believe they are following the true teachings of Islam, and they are. Christians who follow the Gospel believe they are the true Christians, and they are.

            If a Muslim answers your question about taqiyyah, how do you know he is being truthful? Leftists don’t even respect truth, much less consider it a virtue, and you lie as much as the Muslims. Why should we believe your lie about how Muslims don’t lie? You don’t know how to ascertain truth.

          • JustOneProletarian

            Hey William;

            I’d like to mention something to you and see about your response .

            I live on the very east coast in a city that often gets foreigners on work study programs. a few months ago I met two extremely charming young women from Jordan. they begun to tell me exactly what it’s like in Jordan as far as the Muslims are concerned- their father, a Muslim of some not insignificant wealth and power, is well known for cutting peoples hands off.

            they were both virgins stating that if they we’re not virgins on their day of marriage that would most likely be murdered. They told me that they hated Muslims and that getting away was one of their chief motivating factors for coming to the US on said work-study program.

            I just would like to know your thoughts on this, and see if you can show me how this integrates into your view of Muslims.

            I apologize in advance for grammatical errors, I am on a half broken cell phone.

          • William

            It just goes to show how conservative and backwards some Muslims can be. They want their women chaste.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “Chaste” or face the punishment of being stoned to death – to restore family honor.

          • JustOneProletarian

            maybe I should have been a little more clear..they didn’t say that some Muslims were like this, they said that this is the total state of all Muslims in Jordan and Syria.

            I’m going to speak to one of the girls and get a clarified understanding of her experience there and get back to you.

          • Softly Bob

            You’re either an idiot or practicing taqiyya yourself.

          • Gorga Naibaho

            I may be an idiot especially after a few drinks but no way I am a practitioner of taqiyya.

          • wileyvet

            Go stand in the town square with a Bible in your hand and try to proselytise. Then denounce Muhammad by calling him a liar and pedophile, and see how long you last Mr. Muslims are so tolerant. If that doesn’t rankle them, try dating a Muslim woman. You are clueless. Under Sharia law you have no problem with the disparate treatment of women and religious minorities, as well as gays, yet you claim that all religions should be protected. They aren’t under Sharia. And by the way, Muslims have no use for the liberal ideas that you embrace. Your multi culti ignorance is breathtaking. The Islamic world, under the 1990 Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in relation to Sharia, is in direct contravention of the UN Human rights declaration signed in 1948, that ALL nations are to abide by. Yet the OIC clearly has made its own code. You seem to have one standard for the US, yet condone or excuse the conduct or attitude that manifests itself under Sharia. Either human rights and the idea of dignity and worth for all is universal or it is not.

          • William

            Why would I insult a person’s religion? That would be rude and insensitive, and childish. And yes I did date a Saudi Muslim woman. Her dad wasn’t happy but that was his problem not hers.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            His problem to stone his daughter to death – to protect his family honor – and behead you. – to protect his family honor.

          • truebearing

            Or protect ours…

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You are an obvious liar, as that is a death sentence in Islam. You obviously don’t have the first clue about Islam or what you are talking about. No wonder you are such an unhinged flake.

          • truebearing

            What were you doing there?

          • Softly Bob

            In reality most of them are. Have you ever heard of taqiyya (the endorsement of deceit). Muslims are allowed to lie to non-Muslims in order to fool them into thinking that they are of no threat. Most of them are very nice people until they get the upperhand.
            Try opening your eyes and see what’s happening in the World with ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, al-Shabaab, Hezbollah, Hamas, Boko Haram, the Muslim Brotherhood and so on.
            You’re like the people who said that the Nazis were harmless – useful idiots – Hitler called them!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            So the 9/11/01 sneak attack, using passenger planes, was not real? Just “propaganda”?

            Muslims aren’t at War with people all over the world?

            How did you get to be so stupid?

          • William

            I’ve gotten to know a lot of Muslims. That’s why I am not scared of them.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            What about Muslims who beheaded James Foley, who beheaded Lee Rigby, who behreaded Steven Sotloff, who beheaded Daniel Pearl, who bombed Pan Am 103, who hijacked 4 passenger planes on 9/11, who issued death sentences on writer Salman Rushdie, Danish cartoonists?

            Would you be OK with your mother being given the option of accepting Islam or death?

            I wish for Fascist Iran what it wishes for the US.

          • William

            By your logic, Christians are all genocidal maniacs who use nuclear weapons on civilian populations. BYW Iranians are not as scary in real life as they appear on TV. I have known many Iranians over the years and have found them to be wonderful, civilized and educated people.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            When did Christians use nuclear weapons????

            When the Persians hang the ayatoolahs and their Revolutionary Gestapo, I’ll take your view of “Iranians” under consideration.

            Until then DEATH to Fascist Iran!

          • William

            Harry S. Truman a Christian Democratic president dropped two atomic bombs on cities in Japan, snuffing out more than 100,000 lives in two blinks of an eye,. as well the pilots of the bombers were Christians.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            And thank God he did, because he saved far more lives on both sides of the war than had he not done it.

          • Softly Bob

            Yes because Japan started the war. Do you also think that the allies were the bad guys because they shot German soldiers?

          • pfbonney

            And a Democrat.

            But how can you be so sure the pilots were Christians? I’ve read books about the events and I’ve never found that information.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            If Christians bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, then you must also admit that

            MUSLIMS hijacked 4 passenger planes on 9/11, bombed the WTC in 1993, used poison gas (a WMD) on the Kurds of Halabja, bombed London transport on 7/7/05, committed massacres in Mumbai India, Nairobi Kenya, Bali, an elementary school in Beslan, waged an 8 year War between Iraq and Fascist Iran, behead journalists, bomb Pan Am 103, engage in current day slavery in Sudan and Mauritania, stone women to death over “family honor”, shoot girls in the head for wanting an education…

          • Softly Bob

            Christians used nuclear weapons against an enemy that actually started the war. They didn’t just to decide to nuke Japan for a laugh.
            Your moral relativism is destroying your mind.

          • William

            Iraq started the 1990/91 war,.. would nukes have been justified for that war too? It would have saved the lives of thousands of Americans. Nuking Baghdad would not only have destroyed a lot of his capabilities, but would have killed Saddam and his cohorts as well. the reason why we don’t use atomic weapony anymore is because it would be far worse of an atrocity than Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

          • Softly Bob

            No they wouldn’t have been justified that’s why they were not used, duh!

            The idea to nuke Japan may have been the wrong decision but it was still done with the right intent. Also have you noticed that the U.S. have never used a nuke since because it’s possible they may have regretted what happened to Japan.
            However, Muslim terrorists continue to terrorise innocents and never reflect on this or show any remorse.
            Your ability to compare apples to oranges is astonishing.

            The rationale behind nuking Hiroshima was that the war effort forecast the deaths of two million American soldiers over many years if it had been allowed to carry on, instead of two hundred thousand in Japan.
            The calculation may have been wrong but the U.S. has the ability to admit mistakes. Muslim terrorists just keep on killing and they will continue to keep on killing to the end of time because the Q’uran tells them to -, a book that they are forbidden to question.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Meanwhile Fascist Iran call for Death to Israel and the US and continues its nuclear weapons program.

            DEATH to Fascist Iran, the Fascist ayatollahs and their Revolutionary Gestapo.

          • nomoretraitors

            The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ended WW II, the most destructive war in human history. By calling them “atrocities” you betray your left wing indoctrination

          • nomoretraitors

            Your attempts at moral relativity are laughable. And many Nazis were also

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Really? The only problem with that absurdity is that any and all Muslims that become friends with infidels as opposed to Muslims are blasphemers, and blasphemy in Islam is a capital offense. Indeed, we just witnessed hundreds of Muslims who lived in peace and friendship with Yazidi infidels being executed in mass In Iraq. Meanwhile, we are supposed to somehow be naive enough to believe your nonsense.

            Look dude…if you can’t even be honest then it isn’t even worth having a conversation with you.

          • William

            Clearly you have never known any Muslims. But, go on being afraid, if that’s what floats your boat.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You’re a fricking obvious liar. Get out of here you fricking moron!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            We learned all about Muslims on 9/11.

          • nomoretraitors

            What’s really scary are deluded fools like yourself

          • truebearing

            Even a religion that publicly states that it wants to kill you, Billy? The “Snipers Against Leftist Fools” is a religion that has put out a contract on you, but I guess we should protect them, right?

          • William

            Those who want to shoot leftists are over in the mideast calling themselves ISIL. A looong loong way away. I am more likely to be killed by lightning than by some right-winged religious fanatic.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Proclaim your atheism in ISIS controlled areas during a thunder storm.

            Let’s see which will kill you sooner.

          • truebearing

            Who said that the sniper religion is rightwing? It could be Nazis. They are left of center. The point isn’t where this religion is domiciled, it is that they want to kill you. Should we protect that religion?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Wow! A Progressive who supports religion.

            Well only if the religion is an avowed enemy of Western civilization like Islamofascism.

          • William

            I support religious FREEDOM.
            Personally, I think religion is stupid.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Do you support a religion which says “Kill the Muslims”?

            That even rocks and trees will tell followers that a Muslim is hiding behind it, so Infidels can kill the Muslims?

            No?

            Well as a thought experiment, substitute “Jews” for “Muslims”.

          • William

            I have heard Christians and Jews call for the killing of Muslims. That doesn’t mean all Christians and Jews are bloodthirsty killers. Same goes for Muslims who say Christians should convert or be killed.

          • Softly Bob

            The difference is – does it say it in their scripture?

          • William

            It depends who you ask and how they interpret the Bible. There are Christians today who still use the Bible to defend slavery and executions.

          • Softly Bob

            Executions against innocent people or executions as a form of justice against criminals?
            Believe it or not there is actually a difference!

          • pfbonney

            Make no mistake. It was Democrats who trafficked in and enslaved Africans. And incarcarated Japanese during WWII.

          • nobullhere

            If Christianity is so bad, why are you living in the West. Shouldn’t you be living in Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria or northern Nigeria?

          • wileyvet

            You are such a moron. It is Islam that broaches no accommodation with any other beliefs. The core of Islam, is Muhammad is the last prophet, ever. The Koran is the last revelation to mankind, valid for all times and all places, therefore abrogating or superceding all others. Islam, as revealed in the Koran, Sira and Sunnah is the divine gift of Allah, to rule all mankind, and only when that happens, shall the peace of Islam blanket humanity. All those that reject Islam are its enemies and must be fought. If polytheists, killed. If People of the Book, conversion or Dhimmi status paying the Jizya as Mr. Spencer points out in Q9:29. There is NO religious freedom in Islam, from an equal standing as we understand it. One only need look at the example of Muhammad, and following his death, the conduct of the 4 rightly guided caliphs, to see how Islam was understood and practiced. The self proclaimed Caliph of the Islamic State coincidentally is named Abu Bakr. If you were to study Islam’s history, you would know that he was a stalwart early Muslim and Muhammad’s immediate successor.He led the Wars of Apostasy against the hypocrites, and conversion of pagan Arabs, while also initiating the ethnic and religious cleansing of Arabia, as desired by Muhammad on his deathbed. Abu Bakr was also the father of Aisha, the six year old girl that Muhammad married, and slept with when nine. He did so to remain on Muhammad’s good side, because to cross him could prove fatal to one’s health.
            Your smarmy, smug liberal BS is pure nonsense and highly delusional and adds nothing to the facts of Islam and the discussion thereof.

          • William

            I’m not here to defend Islam, I am an atheist. It’s all bunk as far as I am concerned. My point is that it’s silly to fear people based on the teachings of their religion (or race, nationality, gender preference or whatever).

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Athiest? Great. Tell your sunni girlfriends father of your rejection and ridicule of Islam.

          • William

            I never ridiculed his religion. Why would I? He was the father of my girlfriend and I didn’t want trouble. She was a gorgeous woman. Probably still is.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Don’t want trouble? You fear the “Religion of Peace”.

            So much for your cavalier attitudes.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            What makes you gullible enough to believe that Islam is a religion? No doubt the same loony tune ignorance that makes you fear Christians far more than the millions of non-violent stealth jihadists living within our midst would be my guess.

          • William

            I know that Islam is a religion because I have studied religion.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Not only do you obviously not have the first clue about religion, but you are also so naïve and gullible that you actually believe that Islam is somehow a religion instead of what it actually is, which is a very draconian form of totalitarianism.

          • Softly Bob

            Wrong – you should fear their religion. I don’t believe in Nazism either and think that it’s all bunk, but I don’t dismiss it as nothing to fear.

          • William

            If you fear religion then that religion has control over you.

          • Softly Bob

            No it doesn’t. If you are in denial of it and suck up to it, it has control over you.
            Poor old Jews, no wonder they were rounded into concentration camps, they feared Nazism too much – should have just ignored it!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Your fear of Islam has control over you.

          • nobullhere

            Atheists are still infidels, but in Muslim eyes they’re the lowest form of infidel – the godless. Of course you’re a taqiyya-spewer who is on the side of ISIS.

          • nobullhere

            He’s worse than a moron. He’s spewing taqiyya here. He’s obviously one of them.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Conservative extremist: “Moderate” Muslim.

          • truebearing

            He’s right. There shouldn’t be any. Islam is inherently hostile to this nation and the principles it was built on.

          • William

            I guess his Canada includes Muslims. Canada, like the USA, has a proud tradition of religious tolerance, despite a few bad periods in the past.

          • truebearing

            We don’t tolerate everything, do we? Do we tolerate rapists, murderers, slave traders, wife beaters, honor killers, etc?

            Unconditional tolerance is not a virtue, nor is it wise. Start using your brain to think instead of your idiotic ideology.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Islam has a proud tradition of religious INTOLERANCE – that is practiced TODAY.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        You and your lover boy biily are islamofascistphilic D-bags.

      • Rob

        You, William, are the dirt bag.

  • TopAssistant

    Who said this, to whom, when, why and what have we ever done about it? Would you consider this statement to be contrary to our Constitution, our way of life, a danger to our National/Homeland Security and the preservation of our Constitution?

    Would you think these are words of an enemy? Surely, both the House and Senate studied this but where are the reports?

    “The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every musselman [muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

    This statement was a part of a March 28, 1786, letter from John Adams and Thomas Jefferson to John Jay, the United States Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Continental Congress, concerning their conversation with Tripoli’s to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman as to why his pirates/terrorists hijacked our merchant ships, stole the ships and cargo while holding the sailors for ransom. (Source: Founders Archives http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-09-02-0315

    Why are we failing to mention the obvious issues in the 1786 letter that still exists today? Here are the main points in 1786; are they the same today with the Muslim Brotherhood in America and their plan they wrote to destroy us?
    a. “it was founded on the Laws of their prophet”;
    b. “that it was written in their Koran”;
    c. “that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners”;
    d. “that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and”;
    e. “to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and”;
    f. “that every musselman [muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to
    Paradise.”
    g. “that it was a law that the first who boarded an Enemy’s Vessell should have one slave more than his share with the rest”;
    h. “which operated as an incentive to the most desperate Valour and Enterprize;
    i. “that it was the Practice of their Corsairs to bear down upon a ship;
    j. for each sailor to take a dagger in each hand, and another in his mouth, and leap on board, which so terrified their Enemies that very few ever stood against
    them.”
    k. “That he verily believed the Devil assisted his Countrymen, for they were almost always successful.

    Is this a Caliphate?

  • TopAssistant

    read an excellent article
    by the president of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers, S. Eugene
    Poteat, Refusing to Identify or Name Our
    Enemies – A War That Dare Not Speak Its Name http://www.afio.com/publications/poteat_col_fallwinter2010.pdf

  • William

    It should also be noted that the targets in Obama’s war are primary Sunnis.

    • wildjew

      Maybe that is because Sunni Islam is the dominant sect or stream of Islam in the region.

    • Softly Bob

      I would say that he actually supports them rather than targets them, but he’s prepared to make martyrs of a few to keep up appearances. After all you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

      • William

        Ah, so he’s killing all those ‘terrorists’ to make the martyrs. I guess anything is possible. But what would be his motive?

        • http://geoffreybritain.wordpress.com/ Geoffrey_Britain

          Plausible denial.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          His motive is to prove to the World that he is not a Muslim?

  • Walter Sieruk

    With this thirteenth anniversary of the jihad affront on America and humankind it would be wise to have both Fortitude and Vigilance. For the enemy is still scheming for a future attack. Thomas Jefferson had put it a good way when had stated “Fortitude…teaches us to meet and surmount difficulties; not to fly form them.” and “Let the eye of vigilance never be closed.”

  • DontMessWithAmerica

    Yes and many of us wait impatiently for the materialization of the last sentence in your article.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    What I would like to know from the esteemed Mr. Spencer here is how can Islam still be considered a religion? Since per the doctrine of abrogation, which allegedly is universally accepted by all Muslims in the world, the peaceful verses of the Koran that once made Islam a religion have all been abrogated and replaced by the infamous sword verses of the Koran they conflict with. Thus, since all the peaceful verses of the Koran that once made Islam a peaceful religion are no longer in force, then doesn’t that mean that Islam is not a religion but instead a very draconian form of totalitarianism masquerading as a religion to dupe its intended victims?

  • Softly Bob

    The moderate Islamists are in denial and believe that Islam is something that it is not. They should create a brand new religion and call it by a different name.
    Then of course, there are the so-called moderates who are just practicing taqiyya.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      The only moderate Islamists, Bob, exist only within the recesses of your very naive mind.

      • Softly Bob

        I’m not naive. I know that no moderates exist. As I have pointed out before, moderate Muslims are not Muslims unless they are Muslims practising taqiyya (real Muslims pretending that Islam is peaceful).

  • kevinstroup

    When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor did we try to make nice with them? Then why do we do it with Islam? I am of the belief that our culture has become too pacifist. Pacifism is a word that needs to be defined as cowardice dressed up as multicultural concern. We need to stop importing mudslimes into the U.S. We need to stop trying to understand islam. We simply need to kill the people who practice it.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    They can’t declare war on jihadists as opposed to terrorists, because if they did, then they would be forced to acknowledge that Islam is the culprit, since jihad as opposed to terrorism is a holy war fought in the cause of Allah by all Muslims against all infidels until such time as Islam and its followers have been made supreme throughout the world.

  • Pericles

    Mohammed advocated killing Jews, Christians and infidels if they would not convert of pay the jizyah tax. When he did so he had a formidable army at his disposal. He did not need ‘terrorists’ to fulfill his objectives.

    Eventually the Muslim Caliphate dissolved and Muslim countries became irrelevant in world affairs until oil was discovered on their soil. Oil made them rich and unassailable. Nobody paid attention to or cared about their religious beliefs until 9/11/2001. Still dependent on their oil, US politicians refused to acknowledge the evils inherent in Islam based on the Koran and the Hadiths.

    Despite the trillions of dollars Muslim countries attained by the discovery of oil, they were unable to further Mohammed’s doctrine of conquering or killing infidels for Allah’s sake. The problem: the US was too strong militarily for them to realize their objectives.

    Unable to fight as a coherent army they went to Plan B: resort to terrorism to vanquish Islam’s enemies (Mohammed’s term). Problem: how do you convince fellow Muslims to sacrifice themselves to fight the enemy. Answer: show them that the Kuran promised 17 virgins in the afterlife to anyone who ‘martyrs’ himself for the ’cause’. Teach them to love death more than life.

    Solution: Obama comes along to make the US withdraw from the world, to reduce our military might, to advocate the Muslim agenda around the world. He proclaims on 9/10/14 that ‘ISIS (he prefers ‘ISIL) is NOT Islamic’.

    While an Islamic Caliphate is forming under his nose he claims “ISIS in not a state”.

    When someone’s denial about the existential threat that Islam embodies is so unequivocal not all the prime time speeches in the world will save us from the consequences.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      SCREW mohammed.

  • watsa46

    The best way to promote Islamism is to allow Iran and ilks to develop nuke tech. This is the path selected by our Pr.!

  • watsa46

    Using double talk and showing an abject lack of moral courage, the West is slowly self-destructing tks to political correctness. Our Islamic President has no choice but do at least do the least so as not to impede the Islamic tsunami! So he can claim that he is fighting Islamism while promoting openly Islam against the will of the majority of Americans. The left has been caught in a trap of her own doing. The “seculars and so called liberals” do not want to accept that they are one of the major targets of Islam. They all have their heads in the sands of the ME & N-Africa. There is plenty of sand to hide.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    I REJECT THE q’uran OF SATAN.

  • http://www.apollospeaks.com/ ApolloSpeaks

    WHAT IS OBAMA’S IDEA OF AN ISLAMIC STATE?

    Click http://www.apollospeaks.com for the mind boggling answer.

  • Pericles

    “Jihad terror is an aberration, an outrage against the Religion of
    Peace’s peaceful teachings. These lessons from our betters are coming
    more and more often in light of the advent of the Islamic State.”

    It is not jihadist terrorists that have hijacked Islam. It is Islam that has hijacked Islamist terrorists.

    The apologists and defenders of Islamist Muslims will never get this which is why they must never be allowed to hold public office in this country. They are a Fifth Column even if they don’t realize it!

  • Pericles

    Politicians tell us all kinds of lies whether out of ignorance or to further their political agendas and fortunes. When the Federal Reserve prints money, they tell us, it is good for the economy.

    Wrong! It is good for the super rich who have more money to invest in the stock market to keep stock prices rising without the economy growing. Taxes are good for us they say. They help build roads, bridges, etc.

    Wrong! They help the government to grow, to take more or our money so we have less to invest and to save for ourselves, our children and grandchildren. Instead we pay for increasing welfare roles and unproductive recipients of welfare.

    It is good to allow illegal immigrants into this country they say. They do work Americans refuse to do.

    Wrong! They take jobs away from Americans in a struggling economy and declining standard of living. They bring more crime and drugs into this country. And they degrade the educational system.

    So why should politicians not lie to us about Islam and tell us that it is a religion of peace when it’s founder and his successors shed as much (or more) innocent blood than savages like Ghengis Khan and Attila the Hun?

    Our politicians are liars folks, with very few exceptions. Politics and lying go hand-in-hand like a hot dog and a bun, beer and peanuts, salt and pepper.