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	<title>Comments on: Harris Zafar and His Straw Man</title>
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		<title>By: De Doc</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/robert-spencer/harris-zafar-and-his-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-5352417</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[De Doc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My apologies for seeming so heated - it was not my intention. I merely wanted to present the idea that Islamic history as told by its own traditions is a suspect source. Like any source that contains polemics, hagiography or theological baggage it must be carefully scrutinized before accepted as truth. 

While I respect much of Lewis&#039;s work, he is not an expert in Islamic origins and thus prone to accepting many of the canonical accounts as verified history. However, we should not be asking what Lewis, Hoyland, Donner et al think, but what the oldest attested sources say. From the Islamic POV there are only vague hints - Muslims wrote the storied tales of the Rashidun long after their supposed timeframe, some 125+ yrs after the death of Muhammad. What do the 7th c. CE Byzantine sources say about the Rashidun? Nothing. That&#039;s amazing considering that they lost most of their Near  Eastern holdings to these Arabs by the mid 7th c CE (for the record Muawiah is the first historically attested leader of the Arab rulers at that time). This is problematic considering one of the linchpins of the Historical Method, which is the criterion of multiple attestation. Does this mean there is no historical core to the Rashidun motif?  Of course not, but trying to figure out the real history has been a challenge ever since Islamic origins have been studied from an historical critical method.

I would invite you to continue learning more about this by reading Spencer&#039;s book &#039;Did Muhammad Exist?&#039; for a start and follow his references or check out the works of Karl Heinz Ohlig, Gerd Puin, Christoph Luxemberg, and others who have been pioneering and reawakening this research for the last 25+ yrs now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies for seeming so heated &#8211; it was not my intention. I merely wanted to present the idea that Islamic history as told by its own traditions is a suspect source. Like any source that contains polemics, hagiography or theological baggage it must be carefully scrutinized before accepted as truth. </p>
<p>While I respect much of Lewis&#8217;s work, he is not an expert in Islamic origins and thus prone to accepting many of the canonical accounts as verified history. However, we should not be asking what Lewis, Hoyland, Donner et al think, but what the oldest attested sources say. From the Islamic POV there are only vague hints &#8211; Muslims wrote the storied tales of the Rashidun long after their supposed timeframe, some 125+ yrs after the death of Muhammad. What do the 7th c. CE Byzantine sources say about the Rashidun? Nothing. That&#8217;s amazing considering that they lost most of their Near  Eastern holdings to these Arabs by the mid 7th c CE (for the record Muawiah is the first historically attested leader of the Arab rulers at that time). This is problematic considering one of the linchpins of the Historical Method, which is the criterion of multiple attestation. Does this mean there is no historical core to the Rashidun motif?  Of course not, but trying to figure out the real history has been a challenge ever since Islamic origins have been studied from an historical critical method.</p>
<p>I would invite you to continue learning more about this by reading Spencer&#8217;s book &#8216;Did Muhammad Exist?&#8217; for a start and follow his references or check out the works of Karl Heinz Ohlig, Gerd Puin, Christoph Luxemberg, and others who have been pioneering and reawakening this research for the last 25+ yrs now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Nichols]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congratulations, you win the internet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations, you win the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: defcon 4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[defcon 4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 00:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christianity isn&#039;t a jew hating death cult by decree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christianity isn&#8217;t a jew hating death cult by decree.</p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm lets see if I know any muslims, oh yes, of course, my over 25 years of being in Africa, the Middle and Far East have absolutely taught me nothing about these muslim savages and their absence of culture. The worst Christian on his/her worst day is still better than a muslim on their best day. Oh nice play with the race and bigotry card, in case you didn&#039;t notice, that dog don&#039;t hunt anymore. Islam one way or another is headed to a showdown with us westerners and nobody is going to give a rats azz how so called peaceful a muslim says they are, for it isn&#039;t going to matter. Perhaps if you have gotten out of the US more often you wouldn&#039;t have this all cultures, religions and people are  equal utopian nonsense, and see the world for what it is. Get a bloody clue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm lets see if I know any muslims, oh yes, of course, my over 25 years of being in Africa, the Middle and Far East have absolutely taught me nothing about these muslim savages and their absence of culture. The worst Christian on his/her worst day is still better than a muslim on their best day. Oh nice play with the race and bigotry card, in case you didn&#8217;t notice, that dog don&#8217;t hunt anymore. Islam one way or another is headed to a showdown with us westerners and nobody is going to give a rats azz how so called peaceful a muslim says they are, for it isn&#8217;t going to matter. Perhaps if you have gotten out of the US more often you wouldn&#8217;t have this all cultures, religions and people are  equal utopian nonsense, and see the world for what it is. Get a bloody clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Nichols]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[have you known any Muslims?  I have known quite a few, I even have one in my family who refuses to ever go back home due to the resurgent radicalism in Morocco.  


 Are all Christians interested in a Theocracy?  Are all of them Millenarianists?  Are all Jews supporters of  Israel or support &quot;settlers&quot; Why would  Islam be any more monolithic, or is Islam just better  at being cohesive than Christianity and Judaism. 


 Perhaps it threats of violence that keep the non-radical Muslims in line, in which case  not all of them are of the same intent or fervor, thus not all Muslims can be considered radical.  


This polarity is just bigotry peddled as Safety First.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have you known any Muslims?  I have known quite a few, I even have one in my family who refuses to ever go back home due to the resurgent radicalism in Morocco.  </p>
<p> Are all Christians interested in a Theocracy?  Are all of them Millenarianists?  Are all Jews supporters of  Israel or support &#8220;settlers&#8221; Why would  Islam be any more monolithic, or is Islam just better  at being cohesive than Christianity and Judaism. </p>
<p> Perhaps it threats of violence that keep the non-radical Muslims in line, in which case  not all of them are of the same intent or fervor, thus not all Muslims can be considered radical.  </p>
<p>This polarity is just bigotry peddled as Safety First.</p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are no muslim radicals, there are only muslims period, obviously that BA that was sold to you under false pretenses, wasn&#039;t worth what you paid to get it. Islam is islam no matter the stripe, and where ever islam goes, the bloody always flows, without exception.  There, I have added to your education.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no muslim radicals, there are only muslims period, obviously that BA that was sold to you under false pretenses, wasn&#8217;t worth what you paid to get it. Islam is islam no matter the stripe, and where ever islam goes, the bloody always flows, without exception.  There, I have added to your education.</p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I say we throw this guy into the ring with other stripes of muslims and lets take bets on how long he lasts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say we throw this guy into the ring with other stripes of muslims and lets take bets on how long he lasts?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Nichols</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/robert-spencer/harris-zafar-and-his-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-5351698</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Nichols]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 08:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I suppose Bernard Lewis had been somehow cowed by Muslims into accepting that all four the Rashidun existed?  In six years of collegiate study (second was in Poli Sci) I never once heard the existence of the Rashidun questioned.  If only one Caliph existed, and we have to assume that it was Ali,  then we have one caliph for a period of 30 years  about whom palace intrigue and religious schisms were made up....again Occam&#039;s Razor.  An Umayyad conspiracy to delegitimize Ali&#039;s claim?  Though I suppose, if the only one who existed  was Ali, then Spencer&#039;s claim that they were all murdered is true.   


But you claim that it was only Umr (Umar) that existed when  then beg&#039;s the question. why  were Abu Bakr, Fatima, Uthman, Ali, Hasan and Husain


Why must a source be non-Muslim?  Surely you don&#039;t hold the same standard for other historical figures, such as non-Roman sources for  Ovid, or Non-Christian references to Jesus.




You are attacking me like I am defending Islamic radicals, yet my Wife is a Coptic whose family faced constant harassment at the hands of  Egyptian Muslims.  I am only defending the use of  honesty, academic integrity, and even handedness.  Attacking all Muslims is  a sure way to make an enemy of all Muslims.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I suppose Bernard Lewis had been somehow cowed by Muslims into accepting that all four the Rashidun existed?  In six years of collegiate study (second was in Poli Sci) I never once heard the existence of the Rashidun questioned.  If only one Caliph existed, and we have to assume that it was Ali,  then we have one caliph for a period of 30 years  about whom palace intrigue and religious schisms were made up&#8230;.again Occam&#8217;s Razor.  An Umayyad conspiracy to delegitimize Ali&#8217;s claim?  Though I suppose, if the only one who existed  was Ali, then Spencer&#8217;s claim that they were all murdered is true.   </p>
<p>But you claim that it was only Umr (Umar) that existed when  then beg&#8217;s the question. why  were Abu Bakr, Fatima, Uthman, Ali, Hasan and Husain</p>
<p>Why must a source be non-Muslim?  Surely you don&#8217;t hold the same standard for other historical figures, such as non-Roman sources for  Ovid, or Non-Christian references to Jesus.</p>
<p>You are attacking me like I am defending Islamic radicals, yet my Wife is a Coptic whose family faced constant harassment at the hands of  Egyptian Muslims.  I am only defending the use of  honesty, academic integrity, and even handedness.  Attacking all Muslims is  a sure way to make an enemy of all Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 06:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah just think of the &quot;poor&quot; Uighur Islamists rotting in Chinese prison camps that &quot;pious&quot; Liberals silently ignore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah just think of the &#8220;poor&#8221; Uighur Islamists rotting in Chinese prison camps that &#8220;pious&#8221; Liberals silently ignore.</p>
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		<title>By: defcon 4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[defcon 4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 06:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which muslimes are opposed to a caliphate again?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which muslimes are opposed to a caliphate again?</p>
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		<title>By: defcon 4</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/robert-spencer/harris-zafar-and-his-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-5351675</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[defcon 4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 06:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahamdiyyah have been beaten to death is &quot;tolerant&quot;, &quot;moderate&quot; Indonesia -- while law enforcement officials looked on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahamdiyyah have been beaten to death is &#8220;tolerant&#8221;, &#8220;moderate&#8221; Indonesia &#8212; while law enforcement officials looked on.</p>
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		<title>By: De Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[De Doc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 04:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of the first four successors to Muhammad only Umar has any historical attestation. A curious inscription in Arabic found on a rock in NW Arabia was apparently penned by a traveller who noted the death of Umar referencing the  mosArab Year 24. (http://www.academia.edu/3576977/The_Inscription_of_Zuhayr_the_oldest_Islamic_Inscription_AH_24_AD_644_). I use the term &#039;purported&#039; to denote that it was Islamic tradition speaking and not independently recorded.

None of the other so-called Rightly Guided Caliphs have any independent attestation other than hagiographic Islamic material, which is of dubious quality at best. To say that any lived as Islamic history paints them is a stretch, but if we only have the Islamic account to go by then three of the four were definitely murdered (last I checked assassination is a form of murder) with a possibility of all four. Occam&#039;s Razor would argue that the successors of Muhammad stories were pious fiction rather than history.

If you have independent, non-Muslim sources from the 7th c CE that say otherwise, you ought to share. The entire community of academicians who study Islamic origins will hail you for your groundbreaking discoveries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the first four successors to Muhammad only Umar has any historical attestation. A curious inscription in Arabic found on a rock in NW Arabia was apparently penned by a traveller who noted the death of Umar referencing the  mosArab Year 24. (<a href="http://www.academia.edu/3576977/The_Inscription_of_Zuhayr_the_oldest_Islamic_Inscription_AH_24_AD_644_" rel="nofollow">http://www.academia.edu/3576977/The_Inscription_of_Zuhayr_the_oldest_Islamic_Inscription_AH_24_AD_644_</a>). I use the term &#8216;purported&#8217; to denote that it was Islamic tradition speaking and not independently recorded.</p>
<p>None of the other so-called Rightly Guided Caliphs have any independent attestation other than hagiographic Islamic material, which is of dubious quality at best. To say that any lived as Islamic history paints them is a stretch, but if we only have the Islamic account to go by then three of the four were definitely murdered (last I checked assassination is a form of murder) with a possibility of all four. Occam&#8217;s Razor would argue that the successors of Muhammad stories were pious fiction rather than history.</p>
<p>If you have independent, non-Muslim sources from the 7th c CE that say otherwise, you ought to share. The entire community of academicians who study Islamic origins will hail you for your groundbreaking discoveries.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Nichols]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 03:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unconfirmed reasons for death are exactly that.  Occam&#039;s Razor is at play.  Since we have two confirmed murders then it seems that there would be no reason not to admit the Murder of the first two Rashidun.  I have no sympathy for Muslim radicals or the reintroduction of the Caliphate, but let&#039;s not inflate rumors to facts in an attempt to prove our point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unconfirmed reasons for death are exactly that.  Occam&#8217;s Razor is at play.  Since we have two confirmed murders then it seems that there would be no reason not to admit the Murder of the first two Rashidun.  I have no sympathy for Muslim radicals or the reintroduction of the Caliphate, but let&#8217;s not inflate rumors to facts in an attempt to prove our point.</p>
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		<title>By: defcon 4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[defcon 4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 01:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, and islam is really a religion of peace ain&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and islam is really a religion of peace ain&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: De Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[De Doc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 01:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zafar is safe so long as he stays in nations that do not persecute his particular Ahmadiyyah version of Islam. In much of the Islamic world he would be refused entry into the country, persecuted by authorities or sentenced to death for any display of his heresy (per Sunni Islam). Other more &#039;tolerant&#039; parts of the Muslim world would just see his derrière lynched by a mob of angry salafis aimed at administering street justice for his obeisance to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad&#039;s teachings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zafar is safe so long as he stays in nations that do not persecute his particular Ahmadiyyah version of Islam. In much of the Islamic world he would be refused entry into the country, persecuted by authorities or sentenced to death for any display of his heresy (per Sunni Islam). Other more &#8216;tolerant&#8217; parts of the Muslim world would just see his derrière lynched by a mob of angry salafis aimed at administering street justice for his obeisance to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad&#8217;s teachings.</p>
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		<title>By: De Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[De Doc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Umar was purportedly assassinated by a Persian slave in 644 CE. Abu Bakr&#039;s death reportedly had two possible causes by Islamic accounts. The most commonly accepted version was that he died of natural causes (sickness and age), while a second claims he was poisoned by food that only killed him a year later after he consumed it. Better check your BA in History there dude!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umar was purportedly assassinated by a Persian slave in 644 CE. Abu Bakr&#8217;s death reportedly had two possible causes by Islamic accounts. The most commonly accepted version was that he died of natural causes (sickness and age), while a second claims he was poisoned by food that only killed him a year later after he consumed it. Better check your BA in History there dude!</p>
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		<title>By: TheOrdinaryMan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheOrdinaryMan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know. How did Obama, also from a rather poor family, attend Occidental College and Harvard law school?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. How did Obama, also from a rather poor family, attend Occidental College and Harvard law school?</p>
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		<title>By: TheOrdinaryMan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheOrdinaryMan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Christians are treated better--one body at a time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Christians are treated better&#8211;one body at a time.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Nichols]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Abu Bakr and Umar were not murdered.  Uthman and  Ali (famously) were murdered.  I only have a BA in History (though focused on the ME) yet I know that.  I expect more from Spencer]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abu Bakr and Umar were not murdered.  Uthman and  Ali (famously) were murdered.  I only have a BA in History (though focused on the ME) yet I know that.  I expect more from Spencer</p>
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		<title>By: Bamaguje</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/robert-spencer/harris-zafar-and-his-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-5351435</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bamaguje]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2014 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unlike the dhimmi West, communists have zero tolerance for Islamists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike the dhimmi West, communists have zero tolerance for Islamists.</p>
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