Vindicated

Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch and author of the New York Times bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad. His latest book, Arab Winter Comes to America: The Truth About the War We're In, is now available.


Beverly_Hills_Hotel_Protest_Jay-6c2466e4d9d56f8ab8ef30d7c5ab8046.cfVictory is at hand! All the freedom-lovers who have been assailed for years with claims that their opposition to jihad mass murder, Islamic supremacism, and Islamically-justified wife-beating, female genital mutilation, honor killing, stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, devaluation of women’s testimony, and all the rest of it constituted “racism,” “bigotry,” and “hatred” can now come in from the cold. As hard as it is to believe, opposing jihad terror and Sharia are now “in.” Everybody’s getting in on it.

Fox News reported last week that

the Beverly Hills Hotel just lost two more big-name clients, Clive Davis and Jeffrey Katzenberg, because its owner is introducing an Islamic Shariah-based penal code in the oil-rich East Asian country of Brunei. Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah announced last week that he would push ahead with the criminal code that would eventually include severing of limbs and death by stoning for people who are gay or commit adultery. The Sultan – through the Brunei Investment Agency – owns the Dorchester Collection luxury hotel chain, which manages the Hotel Bel-Air and The Beverly Hills Hotel in Los Angeles.

Davis moved out of the hotel, and, according to Fox “the Feminist Majority Foundation also relocated its Global Women’s Rights Awards, co-chaired by Jay Leno and his wife Mavis, that had been scheduled for Monday at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Leno and actress Frances Fisher joined protesters at the famous hotel speaking out against the Sultan.” Other “outraged stars” included Ellen DeGeneres, Sharon Osbourne, Stephen Fry and Richard Branson.

It is great to see all these Hollywood celebrities coming out against Sharia, but the focus of their outrage is odd. The Sultan of Brunei didn’t invent stonings and amputations and systematic oppression of women, gays and non-Muslims. He is not implementing some eccentric form of Sharia that has never before been seen in the world. The form of Sharia he is implementing is essentially the same as that which has been in place for years in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Pakistan (mostly), and other areas of the Islamic world. So why all the outrage now? Have none of these stars ever stayed in a hotel owned by a Saudi prince or some other believer in Sharia? Are they unaware that Sharia is at the core of Islam and that it has been implemented for considerable periods in places other than Brunei?

Jay Leno’s wife Mavis said in 2011 that “the Qur’an is more liberal with women than the Bible.” How times have changed: now, just three years later, she is protesting against a ruler who is implementing its “liberal” provisions. This is just one symptom of the cognitive dissonance involved as these stars, who have never said a word about Sharia oppression of human rights, who wouldn’t dare make a movie dramatizing the oppression of women and gays under Sharia, and who aided and abetted the stigmatization of opposition to Sharia as “hatred” and “bigotry,” have now all come down with a case of “Islamophobia.”

Will they now come out for anti-Sharia laws and make wry, charming public service messages calling upon Americans to support them? Will they be drummed out of the trendy Left by their pro-Sharia peers, or is that trendy Leftist/Islamic alliance now crumbling? I expect that neither will happen; rather, in a week or so they will all go back to the Beverly Hills Hotel, with all forgotten and forgiven, just as the stonings and amputations in Brunei begin to increase in frequency.

Meanwhile, Michelle Obama has spoken out on behalf of the abducted schoolgirls in Nigeria, and the cognitive dissonance is just as thick. Her husband, of course, has not said a word about the stated motives and goals of the abducting group, the Party of the People of the Sunnah for Dawah and Jihad, more commonly known as Boko Haram (“Western Education is Sinful” or “Books Bad”). What would the Obamas think if they knew that their opposition to Boko Haram could be construed as “Islamophobic”? For while Muslim leaders worldwide have recently rained down condemnations on Boko Haram and declared their abduction of the schoolgirls un-Islamic, the Qur’an does actually allow for the owning of sex slaves:

If you fear that you will not act justly towards the orphans, marry such women as seem good to you, two, three, four; but if you fear you will not be equitable, then only one, or what your right hands own; so it is likelier you will not be partial. (Qur’an 4:3)

And:

And also prohibited to you are all married women except those your right hands possess. (Qur’an 4:24)

The mainstream Muslim commentary Tafsir al-Jalalayn explains that 4:3 tells Muslims to “marry only one, or, restrict yourself to what your right hands own, of slavegirls, since these do not have the same rights as wives.” The twentieth-century Qur’an commentator Maulana Bulandshahri explains the wisdom of this practice, and longs for the good old days:

None of the injunctions pertaining to slavery have been abrogated in the Shari’ah. The reason that the Muslims of today do not have slaves is because they do not engage in Jihad (religion war)….Muslims have been denied a great boon whereby every home could have had a slave.

But surely they are misunderstanding Islam, no? Arsalan Iftikhar, “an international human rights lawyer, founder of TheMuslimGuy.com and adjunct professor of religious studies at DePaul University in Chicago,” tried to make a case for that last week when he published a piece in CNN entitled, “Hey Boko Haram, pick up a Quran and bring back our girls.” He claimed that Boko Haram was misunderstanding Islam and misinterpreting the Qur’an, which, he said, categorically rejects “kidnapping young girls and threatening to sell them into sexual slavery.” He offered two verses to support this idea: one that says that “oppression is worse than murder” (2:191) and another declaring that nobody “shall force girls to commit prostitution” (24:33).

Neither of these, unfortunately, were precisely on point. “Oppression” is in the eye of the beholder; the leader of Boko Haram, Abubakar Shekau, thinks he is following the Qur’an’s dictates, and that that couldn’t possibly constitute oppression, no matter what. And these girls aren’t being forced into prostitution; they’re being sold off, as Iftikhar himself said in his piece, into forced marriages with Boko Haram members.

Iftikhar didn’t even mention the verses above (4:3, 4:24) and others that Muslims like Shekau point to in order to justify kidnapping young girls and selling them into sexual slavery – leaving the impression that his piece was intended to keep infidels complacent rather than to work toward genuine Islamic reform.

That makes his position, and that of Michelle Obama, extremely precarious, and vulnerable to anyone who is knowledgeable about the contents of the Qur’an. But no matter. For the moment, the First Lady, Jay Leno, Ellen and the rest are making opposition to Sharia in with the in-crowd – which is worth remembering when it turns cold for freedom again, as it certainly will.

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  • Dyer’s Eve

    Lefties always blow hot and cold. What is today’s hot topic will be dropped like a hot potato when the ‘next thrill’ comes along. I wouldn’t believe the intentions of any of those pretendoids foe a second. To be the Devil’s advocate; at least that Boko Haram idiot isn’t glossing over the Qur’an. The devil is in the detail.

    • Dyer’s Eve

      ‘foe’. I mean’t ‘for’. Freudian slip, perhaps?

      • Ken Zevo

        You mean, like this?

        • Dyer’s Eve

          Yes!!! and I love the high heels!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Sometimes a slip is just a slip.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    One again I’ll request the article or book by Maulana Bulandshahri where you get that quote. I’ve pointed to that quote but people believe you’re making it up. Where does it come from?

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    How can we get public personalities to reconsider their rosy pictures of Islam? We have an opportunity with the calls of Sharia by Boko Haram and the Sultan. Islam clearly plays a role in such calls. How can we get them to actually debate and consider our viewpoint?

    What I fear is that these public persons will feel obligated to couple their protests against Sharia with denunciations of Spencer and Geller. This has happened before. Abe Foxman of the ADL, who came out against the Ground Zero Mosque, came under attack. To regain the good graces of the left his organization wrote a hit-piece against Geller. By throwing Geller under the bus, he thought he’d fight off the hounds that called him “Islamophobic.”

    I fear that instead of exposing Islam, the protests against Sharia will prompt greater apologetics for the religion to “prove” their author’s lack of bigotry. Instead of a discussion, we’ll have public penance with the typical cliches. This is an opportunity for us to demand an actual discussion with no preconceived barriers.

  • watsa46

    The left and the Hollywood crowd are a bunch of ignorant, stupid and selfish people. Sharia exist for many centuries. Why now? What about Brandeis recent decision against Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the grotesque position of the feminist movement?

    • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

      “Hollywood” is not as Sharia-compliant as you think: quite the opposite. Blame the northeastern liberal establishment for multiculturalism and political correctness, not a bunch of populist opportunists who inhabit “Hollywood.” See for instance, Christopher Edley’s remarkable advice to these WASP denizens of the big foundations here in bold-face type: http://clarespark.com/2014/04/30/racism-in-america-has-disappeared-the-donald-sterling-scandal/. “Hollywood” is usually blamed for decadence and the slipping hold of religion, not sympathy for Sharia.

      • Boots

        I only disagree with you in that it is very rare for Hollywood to produce anything where Islam is the problem. Take a look at the movies since 9/11 and they go out of their way to be sympathetic to Islam. The villains tend to be white male rogue law enforcement agents while Muslims are portrayed as victims of prejudice. There are exceptions but not many. While not Sharia compliant they are either sympathetic to Islam or scared of CAIR because they seldom truthfully show Sharia as it is.

        • Myrtle

          it is my opinion that it is Sharia law with Satan as it’s master and followed by millions of people is the evil which will finally bring JESUS CHRIST back , to keep the world from being destroyed.

          Isaiah 51:6
          Micah 1:4
          2 Peter 3:1-18
          Revelation 21:1-8.

          • Ken Zevo

            (/sarc flag) In the words of my paternal grandfather:
            “Dear God,
            Please protect & preserve me, from all the Church people who claim to know and serve you … and the heathen French. Amen!”

        • RevnantDream

          Little Bootsy has grown up if this is who I think it is.

          • Ken Zevo

            It does sound familiar. I have heard this analysis, or very similar versions of it, on several different web sites today.

          • Boots

            So… where might you know me from so I can verify if I’m the same little Bootsy… and Boots is what most everyone other than our clients call me… and have since I was in high school.

          • RevnantDream

            Used to be on a chat line in the mid to late nineties on AOL called the News Chat room . Where there was a brilliant young Lady who called herself Little Bootsy. I think she said if i rememkber right, she was a Blue hen graduate from Delaware.

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            So… where might you know me from so I can verify if I’m the same little Bootsy… and Boots is what most everyone other than our clients call me… and have since I was in high school.
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          • Boots

            Thanks for the response… now I’ll have to look for little Bootsy. I’m a male transplant from California to the south.. white married to a black woman and we own a small business. I hope little Bootsy was more lucid than I am. These threads are my downtime hobby when I’m not doing something important like doing things with our daughters… and I learn stuff sometimes.

          • RevnantDream

            These threads are my downtime hobby when I’m not doing something important like doing things with our daughters

            That puts you in a special group of people these days who care for thier children, not the government . Shows charcter in my opinion. If not a rare sign of real manhood these days.

            Owning your own company where I live is tantamount to being a hero. “That guy is a good worker” is the highest accolade you can earn here. As for your lucidy have no worries there. I don’t up tick peoples posts often, your’s I did because it was one of the best. I pray your buisness is blessed. Personally when buying any thing any more. I pick a small buisness over a larger one every time. In Alberta Walmarts are disapearing from lack of use ( Than again in this place, even with a grade nine education you can make 100k a year in the Oil patch. We literally have an unground ocean of it.) I work for the parks department in Edmonton. Love the job.
            Hearing all the crazy stories coming out of Calfornia , I’m curious is it really than bad for a dude to live there now with all the regulations? You know how the Media is. Why tell the truth when a lie will do. Though I figure if its anything like BC ( lotus land), its in big trouble. I loved the South when I’ve visited the States. Texas was like coming home. Only like here in the 60s -70s God Bless with good health for you & yours.

          • Boots

            Seriously… thank you for the kind words. Just two things I’d like to address… I hope to God my wife and I aren’t rare in this world as we’ve always made the daughters (14, 16, and 19) our priority. What we’ve been able to do so far successfully, I think, is keep them grounded. All three are athletes but even the 14 year old has a part time job (got her work permit on her 14th birthday) and grades come first. We want them to understand there is more dignity in being self sufficient than being trained into dependency on the government. The negative of self employment is we’re fully accountable but the positive is we’re comfortable with it… and the young ladies have all helped and know what we put into it. Everything you’ve heard about California isn’t exaggerated. We wouldn’t have bothered to try and make it there with their regulatory climate and tax structure. If you ever get a little bored Google “California small business failure rate” and “California business emigration”. I haven’t looked at either for a while but I’m confident both numbers will still be shocking. California is in big trouble but I will say even if BC is a political mess like CA, Victoria is one of the neatest places I’ve ever been… it’s like San Francisco without the vagrants and stench of urine. Beautiful place with wonderful people (Victoria). CA is the example of what liberalism is capable of. You have a dwindling middle class, major municipal debt, all of the major cities have horrific ghettos, state has punitive tax rates for businesses and anyone making any kind of money driving many out. It’s a beautiful state but a socialist mess.
            God bless you as well and you are right… people who show up to work every day, do their best when they get there, and care about what they do are gold and there will always be a place for them.

          • RevnantDream

            Your a better man than me. Wow three girls.It takes guts these days to be a family man in this culture. Thanks for letting me know the conditons in California. Yeah in BC its bad ,not to different then California. Wacko politicians. We call it the land of nuts & fruits.

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            Boots
            Seriously… thank you for the kind words. Just two things I’d like to address… I hope to God my wife and I aren’t rare in this world as we’ve always made the daughters (14, 16, and 19) our priority. What we’ve been able to do so far successfully, I think, is keep them grounded. All three are athletes but even the 14 year old has a part time job (got her work permit on her 14th birthday) and grades come first. We want them to understand there is more dignity in being self sufficient than being trained into dependency on the government. The negative of self employment is we’re fully accountable but the positive is we’re comfortable with it… and the young ladies have all helped and know what we put into it. Everything you’ve heard about California isn’t exagger ated. W e wouldn’t have bothered to try and make it there with their regulatory climate and tax structure. If you ever get a little bored Google “California small business failure rate” and “California business emigration”. I haven’t looked at either for a while but I’m confident both numbers will still be shocking. California is in big trouble but I will say even if BC is a political mess like CA, Victoria is one of the neatest places I’ve ever been… it’s like San Francisco without the vagrants and stench of urine. Beautiful place with wonderful people (Victoria). CA is the example of what liberalism is capable of. You have a dwindling middle class, major municipal debt, all of the major cities have horrific ghettos, state has punitive tax rates for businesses and anyone making any kind of money driving many out. It’s a beautiful state but a socialist mess. God bless you as well and you are right… people who show up to work every day, do their best when they get the re, and care about what they do are gold and there will always be a place for them.
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          • Boots

            No courage. Here’s where you might think we’re nuts… but my wife and I are eternal optimists and there are enough people in the world who have their heads screwed on straight that when we, as a nation, hit rock bottom it can be fixed. Heck… Canadians seem to be seeing the light as you’ve elected more conservative governments lately. Same is happening in parts of Europe. Here’s hoping there’s enough of us left to solve the problems the left are creating.

          • RevnantDream

            I’m just hoping we can avoid a World war.
            Things have definatly improved in Canada. We got rid of the hate speech laws & a Gun registry. People went to court , some to jail. It took bloggers by the 100,000s. Many letters to our Leaders both federaly & Provincally. People stopped donating to political parties. Plus an assult on the media to do it. We won though. Kicking out the athoritarians in the USA like here, should be a cake walk with the tools you have in your Constitution. Better to be an optimist, but prepare for the worse. Human nature is so fickle. These are such troubling times. But hey we have had worse periods.

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            No courage. Here’s where you might think we’re nuts… but my wife and I are eternal optimists and there are enough people in the world who have their heads screwed on straight that when we, as a nation, hit rock bottom it can be fixed. Heck… Canadians seem to be seeing the light as you’ve elected more conservative governments lately. Same is happening in parts of Europe. Here’s hoping there’s enough of us left to solve the problems the left are creating.
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          • Boots

            You’ve hit the reason for our optimism on the head… our country and the world have seen worse times… and that Canada was in much worse shape and is dealing with it’s issues. It’s interesting you mention gun registries. Our fourteen year old is the only one I have interested in firearms and she just took up skeet shooting… I got her a 20 gauge youth side by side which puts her up to her fourth gun… started her on a .22 NA Rimfire revolver when eight and then got her a .38 S&W revolver when she was 12 followed by a Beretta 9mm when I was finally comfortable with her being able handle a magazine and safely remove chambered bullets. Woe be to anyone breaking in with her at home as the girl can shoot. I digress… I’m also optimistic because the Tea Party is still driving the debate from the right… that is why they are constantly attacked and accused of being irrelevant. I hope that we can get enough people to understand that when the government gives money away to buy votes that money was taken from someone else… and there is no moral authority to theft by government. We should be helping the truly needy and not be training people into dependency to keep liberals in power.

          • RevnantDream

            Man have you got that right. Great post.
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            Boots
            You’ve hit the reason for our optimism on the head… our country and the world have seen worse times… and that Canada was in much worse shape and is dealing with it’s issues. It’s interesting you mention gun registries. Our fourteen year old is the only one I have interested in firearms and she just took up skeet shooting… I got her a 20 gauge youth side by side which puts her up to her fourth gun… started her on a .22 NA Rimfire revolver when eight and then got her a .38 S&W revolver when she was 12 followed by a Beretta 9mm when I was finally comfortable with her being able handle a magazine and safely remove chambered bullets. Woe be to anyone breaking in with her at home as the girl can shoot. I digress… I’m also optimistic because the Tea Party is still d riving the debate from the right… that is why they are constantly attacked and accused of being irrelevant. I hope that we can get enough people to understand that when the government gives money away to buy votes that money was taken from someone else… and there is no moral authority to theft by government. We should be helping the truly needy and not be training people into dependency to keep liberals in power.
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          • Boots

            Thank you…. enjoy what’s left of your week. Appreciate chatting with people who are willing to just exchange ideas… even those who disagree with me.

        • http://people.ign.com/plochu Plochu

          The thing with Hollywood isn’t that it’s shying away from criticizing Islam. It’s shying away from criticism of religion in general… and probably for the best. It’s not often that you get a big-budget anti-Christian film; likewise, you’re not going to see many anti-Islam ones either.

          I have no idea where you get the whole Islam sympathy thing though.

          • Boots

            Take a look at Liam Neeson’s most recent work (Non-Stop), but I can go as far back as Jodie Foster in Flightplan. Since 9-11 Hollywood has taken pain to make sure Islam isn’t cast in a negative light. Jack Bauer “24″ has been the rare exception. More recently ABC Family cancelled “Alice in Arabia”. I don’t know of a single movie offensive to Christians or portraying Christians in a bad light (think any movie with Amanda Bynes) being cancelled for that reason (they get cancelled for low ratings but not for being offensive to Christians).

          • http://people.ign.com/plochu Plochu

            If Hollywood is “taking pains to make sure Islam isn’t cast in a negative light”, they wouldn’t be portraying them as war-raging extremists. You can see this in just about any war movie taking place in the Middle East, as well as other stuff like Babel, The Kingdom, Iron Man, etc. They’re not anti-Islam, because the movies focus more on action than ideology, but it’s obvious that Islam is being portrayed in a bad light.

            Contrarily, you don’t see Christians being portrayed as this evil, war-thirsty group (to be clear, I am not saying Hollywood should), not even in historical fiction where it may be more relevant/acceptable. Christian-topic movies aren’t cancelled simply because there isn’t as much bad stuff said about them.

          • Ken Zevo

            In Iron Man 1, peaceful ordinary Muslims were shown being victimized by the Muslim terrorists too (it was a major plot point), so it breaks both ways. The movie did seem awfully careful to tap dance around a lot, other than the wearing of prayer caps, when it came to the terrorists possible religious motives, if any.

            In Iron Man 3, they actually used Islamic terror as a red herring, going against the more cliche “muslims are terrorists” meme … but not nearly as well as they could have (and should have) done if they were going to use that sort of PC plot twist and make it believable. Ben Kingsley was SO wasted on that part, In My Arrogant Opinion, in both meanings of the word “wasted” … looked like he was phoning it in for a paycheck … again. I miss the days of his Oscar-worthy performances.

            Otherwise, well done, good examples, well said.

          • Boots

            You will note the ones dealing with reality are the open conservatives like Bruckheimer and outside of cable how many Christian themed series have been on network TV to be cancelled? The crop of movies with war themes made by leftist directors prefer to make the Tea Party terrorists or sky marshals or white supremists… anyone other than Islamists. Christian topic movies on the other hand are virtually all indies as mainstream Hollywood won’t touch them. I’m not a Christian but if I were looking to make money I’d reach out to that market as almost anything they put out to them “exceeds expectations”.
            Bottom line… you’re convinced Hollywood is hard on Islam and I believe they’ve been overly kind towards Islam considering the way current history is playing out.

        • Softly Bob

          I’ll edge my bets with ‘scared.’ Hollywood are pants-poopers.

        • hrwolfe

          I would have to add to this that as in the 70′s & 80′s the Vietnam Veteran was the avatar of the film villains much as Iraqi Veterans are being shown today, though not at the 70′s scale. I do not think they can get away with it as the Vietnam Vets will not allow that treatment of their younger brethren. It would be nice to see Hollywood deal with facts for a change, I mean M. More gets the Oscar for a documentary that has little if any facts in it.

    • whitefalcon74

      sharia is barbaric and evil no matter what part of the world you live it’s about time it stops!! every were.muslims need to be sent back the the roach infested mecca they came from and rot there than the world will be at peace !

    • teapartydoc

      They need an issue people can get behind. They’ve been holding out on this like a trump card in a game–for a time when no other strategy can give them time or a badly-needed win. The great thing about this trump card is that it can be pulled back and played over and over again.

    • USARetired

      I do not care if you can trace Islam and Sharia back to ‘Bacteria’ in 1000,00BC, It is a non religion, but is a fascist form of control that should have been outlawed when it started! Christians have forced you back into your hole before, and we will do it again!
      Muslim/Sharia law cannot coexist with a democratic form of government, which says, You are NOT WELCOME in any country with Democratic law exists!

  • ArentIpretty

    Consistently Islam proves itself to be evil in intent, belief, and action. There’s a reason why the west has been fighting it since it came out of the Arab Peninsula. Letting Muslims immigrate into our midst is absolute folly. Enoch Powell is more of a prophet than Muhammad ever was.

  • Davros11

    We just need to form a “CRUSADE” and wipe these animals out, and also the apologists and enablers of ISLAM.

    • tom_billesley

      Deus vult

    • RBH

      I hope you dont claim to be a christian because you are totally slandering the name of Christianity and totally going against the way Christ lived his life by saying that. Also you would be a hippocrit for wanting to do to someone else the same things that yiunare mad at them for wanting to do to you.

      • Minicapt

        “And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,”
        -Matt 21:12
        Killing the infidel is just a step further.

        Cheers

        • RBH

          Lol wow way to make a leap of insanity. Which one did Jesus kill again? None. I knew someone would make a mockery of what he did by twisting that passage and comparing it to your genocide. Jesus have his life not took others. If you are talking about peacefully fighting Islam tooth and nail or defending yourself then I am with you. But genocide makes you just as bad as them. You are missing the log in your eye to notice the splinter (ok log) in your neighbors.

          • Minicapt

            You are incoherent in your lack of knowledge. For example, genocide has a specific meaning which is not apparent in your usage. Peter was ordered to ‘put up his sword’ not because he was wrong, but because it was not the right time. You are misunderstanding the distinction between “kill” and “slay”. And traditionally, the words are “beam” and “mote”, but your limitations with the English language may make understanding that difficult.
            However there is a place for candy-cane “Christians”, so bless your little heart.

            Cheers

          • Ken Zevo

            1. While I am no great lover of violence, I completely agree that the current conflict between the West and Islam will end violently … largely because violence is the #1 historical choice of Islam, for conflict resolution. (Thankfully, the Muslims aren’t very good at using violence as an effective tool, nor at controlling their level of violence … as shown rather graphically in the movie “Laurence of Arabia”.)

            2. Did I catch subtle signs of a Roman Catholic private school (or Sunday school) in that masterful analysis of the Bible? I am impressed. Being myself a product of private Catholic schools, I am amazed at how often the lessons I got in Bible Studies classes come in handy, when arguing with others about Jesus vs. Mohammed and Bible vs. Koran. (I just wished they’d taught about the Koran, too. I had to do all that on my own!) Anyway, nice job on the Biblical interpretation. And, as far as my memory serves, all your facts are correct. Father J. would be proud to have you as a student, in one of his classes.

            3. And this is most important of all: If you have to insult
            someone to get your point across, then you haven’t gotten your point across – and probably never will. When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department almost always uses water, because it gives better results. Once you voluntarily lower yourself down to the other guys level of street fighting, you give up the moral and ethical high ground. It’s hard to claim that you are any morally or ethically better than him, if you willingly and willfully stoop to using his same tactics of abuse and dismissal.

            Toodle-pip!

            “I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn’t work that way. So I stole a bike, and asked for forgiveness.” KZ

          • truebearing

            You are definitely lacking in consistency.

          • Ken Zevo

            I used to be a Catholic. Now I am an atheist. Thus the apparent lack of consistency, because my position on religion has “evolved” over time. That was then, and this is now. I hope that clears it up 4 u.

        • truebearing

          You’re overstepping just a a tad.

    • Ken Zevo

      From Robert Heinlein’s sci-fi classic, “Starship Troopers”, Chapter 5:

      “If you wanted to teach a baby a lesson, would you cut its head off?”
      “Why . . . no, sir!”
      “Of course not. You’d paddle it. There can be circumstances when it’s
      just as foolish to hit an enemy city with an H-bomb as it would be to spank a baby with an ax. War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government’s decisions by force. The purpose is never to kill the enemy just to be killing him . . . but to make him do what you want him to do. Not killing . . . but controlled and purposeful violence. But it’s not your business or mine to decide the purpose or the control. It’s never a soldier’s business to decide when or where or how — or why — he fights; that belongs to the statesmen and the generals. The statesmen decide why and how much; the generals take it from there and tell us where and when and how. We supply the violence; other people — `older and wiser heads,’ as they say — supply the control. Which is as it should be. That’s the best answer I can give you. If it doesn’t satisfy you, I’ll get you a chit to go talk to the regimental commander. If he can’t convince you — then go home and be a civilian! Because in that case you will certainly never make a soldier.”
      *****
      I leave it as an exercise to the students, if any, to decide whose side I am on, with this commentary. KZ

      • hiernonymous

        Officers supply the control. That’s why I have such a low opinion of Allen West.

        • Ken Zevo

          If I may be so bold as to ask, why do you have a low opinion of Allen West? Other than his knee-jerk affection for God and Christianity, I find him a breath of fresh air (and a rare island of facts and logic) in an otherwise free-for-all circus of American partisan politics. Have I been missing something? (And, if so, what?) My inquiring mind wants to hear “the rest of the story”, as Paul Harvey used to say! Any linx you can provide, to back up your claims with hard evidence, would be greatly appreciated.

          “Anyone can tell what the issue is, but a leader tells you what the solutions are.” Allen West

          • hiernonymous

            Sure. Here’s the short version: While in Iraq, West got wind that he was the target of an assassination plot. His S2 pulled in a local police officer for questioning. West’s junior soldiers got nothing out of him – as it turns out, there was nothing to get – and began roughing him up. Enter West. Instead of stopping it, he encourages them, and when they can’t beat any information out of the prisoner, West takes him out to a clearing barrel and performs a mock execution. West is subsequently investigated, relieved of his command, and fined in an Article 15 proceeding. Corroborating statements taken during the Article 32 investigation can be found here: http://www.aclu.org/files/projects/foiasearch/pdf/DODDOACID000105.pdf

            Why do I have a low opinion of West?

            1. His role as an officer and a commander was to provide leadership and control. Both legally and morally, West was obligated to safeguard his prisoner, and his proper course of action that day was to rein in his soldiers, not egg them on. At that moment, West did not act as a leader, he acted as a follower.

            2. People make mistakes. If that had been the end of the matter, I wouldn’t hold it against West. He made a bad call, he paid the price. If that were the end of it, I’d sit down and drink a beer with him. But that wasn’t the end of it. West has subsequently tried to justify his actions and portray them as the morally correct, if technically illegal, actions of a commander looking out for the interests of his troops. His admirers have managed to forget that the rumored plot was not directed at ‘his troops’ but at him, personally; that the plot was never shown to exist, much less that Mr. Hamoodi had knowledge of it; that the interrogation in question did not take place in the heat of battle – this was no “where’s the ambush” or “ticking time bomb” 24-esque scenario, but an interrogation held in West’s office space on a secure compound at leisure.

            Mr. West tried – with unfortunate success – to turn his failure into a ‘hero card.’ He is quite adept at making deception and failure of leadership look like frankness and leadership.

            I turned on the TV for news updates to Fox News, of course (the source for highly-informed voters/electorate), and to my dismay the channel was not available. My two choices for national news channels were CNN and MSNBC, the stations for low-to-no information voters. No worries, I can always check out reruns of Green Acres or Petticoat Junction; far more intellectually stimulating than the Most Serious National Barack Channel or Clueless News Network.
            - Allen West
            Read more at http://allenbwest.com/2014/05/day-5-austin-beaumont-tx-doors-of-life/#h5SSXi7XGRgriUhi.99

          • Ken Zevo

            Well done! Thx for the linx especially. I will read through them, and get back to you after I have had time to digest this new information. Again, many thx and much appreciation for the extra work you have obviously put into doing this research. You get an up-tick, and a free quote:

            “The English-speaking democracies did not succumb to fascism in the way the continental nations did, and one reason they didn’t was because they understood that you defeat these ideas in the open air of bracing and vigorous debate.” Mark Steyn

            Post scriptum:

            After a bit of quick research, I find that your facts (and logic) all pass muster, with flying colors and highest marks. It is sad to lose a personal hero; but, as you have proved, chapter and verse, he has at least one serious “feet of clay” issue that would be forgivable in a individual, but is unacceptable for a public servant, esp. the way (as you have shown) that he has consistently doubled-down his mistake when confronted.

            (His frequent references on his web site, to his seemingly blind faith in Christianity, both frighten and annoy me … but that is an issue for another time, another thread.)

            On a personal note, I was a bit surprised that, after reading your evidence, I found the Wikipedia version of the incident wanting, largely in those exact details that you have provided (most esp. the Article 15 records, many thx), which is a pretty rare thing in my experience. I greatly appreciate your filling in the gaps, and setting the record str8. I have often wondered why Mr. Allen hasn’t gone farther in politics. This “explainable but not excusable” incident goes a LONG way to answering that question, and I am thankful to you for showing me all the info that you have provided. You get another free quote:

            “Usually, terrible things that are done with the excuse that progress requires them are not really progress at all, but just terrible things.” Russell Baker

          • hiernonymous

            I’m glad I looked back here and caught your postscript. Yes, Wiki articles on living people are interesting reads, as much for what isn’t said as for what is, and for the trail of revisions and reversions. Wiki policy rightfully treads very carefully when it comes to the living. But your comment provokes a more general thought, to wit, how rare it really is to see people willing to consider new data and arguments and respond with anything but a rationalization or justification of what they already believe. I’m sure I’m as guilty as many. Yours was a refreshing post. Regards!

          • Ken Zevo

            Yours was refreshing, as well, and for many of the same reasons.

            If I keep an open mind, it is because I had good teachers – it certainly isn’t in my nature … or nurture … Mom was twice as much the screaming harpy, whenever someone proved her conclusively wrong, lol, so I know what you are saying. Her hysterics came in handy, though, once I learned about the basics of REAL debate. Now I can spot a logical fallacy in a pitch-black coal cellar at midnight, thx to all the classical examples she used to get her way, and run rough-shod over her opponents.

            “Magna est veritas et praevalebit.” / “Truth is great and will ultimately prevail.” Book of Edras (Ezra) 4:41, in the Latin
            Vulgate Bible

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Hey you two, get a chatroom.

          • Jules C.

            Why wasn’t my comment defending Col Allen West posted here? Col Allen West has been a Restoration Weekend key speaker and spoke at many Horowitz events. But he was maligned by a poster. if he can denigrate Col West who is a gentleman and US Army officer, Why cannot the real version of the Baghdad story be told?

          • Ken Zevo

            I whole-heartedly agree. If anyone has hard verifiable evidence, I want to see linx to it, pro or con.

            P.S. I saw your comment, before FP/Disqus deleted it. It was a pretty good read, and I was looking forward to following the link (links?) you supplied.. I am hoping they will change their mind and let you re-post it.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          That and because you are a leftwing loon.

    • johnnie the jew

      couldn’t agree more mate! It’s long overdue. Cometh the hour, cometh the superiority of western culture and all the toys we have at our disposal. A rainbow alliance of all the other religions, and all atheists and apostates, none of which get along with the medieval, totalitarian death cult that is Islam !

  • pennant8

    Celebrities like pictures. Their whole world revolves around pictures. In Hollywood lingo even movies are called pictures. Maybe if we could assemble in some prominent celebrity haven a collection of enlarged news photo’s from the past few decades. Photo’s of car bombs and human limbs scattered around the street, destroyed buildings, women’s faces after an acid attack, all the major bombings attacks. Beirut Marine Barracks, Madrid, London, 9/11, Mumbai, Kenya mall, Boston, Benghazi, on and on. It would not be difficult to put together a display that would stretch for blocks and blocks. Then maybe they would get the picture so to speak. Of course this will never happen because it would be Islamophobic.

  • BRL…

    The Lenos and that crowd are only objecting to the Sultan’s mistreatment of gays. They are okay with his mistreatment of women… as Mavis stated.

  • liz

    Cognitive dissonance is right. These hypocrites won’t be able to deal with that for long, or with the irony that they’re now doing something they’ve been calling conservatives “Islamophobes” for for years.

  • bruce lorraine

    Boko Haram is the sacrificial lamb of islam. Once it is destroyed islam will emerge clean and as sweet smelling as a brand new babe.
    This is nothing more than a dodge by the powers that be to manipulate the masses into accepting islam.

    We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done
    so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own
    country.
    barack obama

  • Cappy1437

    Muslims are pedophile perverts.

  • JVictor

    The proponents and practitioners of Islam finally have someone who stepped over a red line that the Obamas and Lenos of the world could not ignore when Boko Haram kidnapped those girls. I guess the abhorrent decapitation of Daniel Pearl at the hands of practicing Muslims, simply because Pearl was Jewish, wasn’t enough of a red line. I guess the routine female genitalia mutilation by practicing Muslims wasn’t enough of a red line. I guess the routine forced marriages, and, if those fall apart, honor killings at the hands of practicing Muslims wasn’t enough. The sad thing is that even when the Boko Haram is put back in its place, the Lenos and Obamas of the world will declare that that particular “scourge of Islam” has been eradicated and that the true and peaceful religion can continue…beheading infidels, robbing women of the pleasure associated with intimacy, and killing young girls who don’t want to live the rest of their lives under the abusive iron fist of Uncle Omar.

  • wileyvet

    Robert Spencer is the man. If I might add something to the above. TheMuslimGuy uses Koran verses 2:191 and 24:33 to defend Islam. Not very good effort I’m afraid. 2:191 “oppression is worse than murder” is a Medina surah the Heifer, or The Cow, and is the longest Surah in the Koran, and relates to a raid at Nakhla by Muhammad’s companions. It sanctions an attack on Quiraysh during a pagan sacred month. Essentially the prophet authorizes the killing and capture of his enemies because he felt that he had been tormented by the Meccans and kept from the Kaaba, thus feeling oppressed, they deserved to be killed, and the above verse was revealed to him justifying violating the sacred month. Verse 24:33 indeed talks about not forcing your slave women in to prostitution, but says “… Do not force your slave-girls into prostitution, when they themselves wish to remain honourable, in your quest for the short-term gains of this world, although, if they are forced, God will be forgiving and merciful to them.” Abdul-Haleem translation. Yusuf Ali translation is more ambiguous in that the last line “…But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them). His note suggests it is the women who are forgiven, while it could just as easily be the men who do the forcing. However one wishes to spin this, we are still talking about Islam authorizing slavery of women, regardless of whether they are sold into prostitution later.

    • Ken Zevo

      Mr. Spencer does seem to be the Gold Standard, when it comes to refuting Western misbeliefs about Islam with the hard evidence of the Koran, ahadith, sunna, Islamic scholars, Reliance of the Traveller, and etc. I love the way he can effortlessly quote chapter and verse of the Koran, ahadith, and Islamic scholars, when backing up his positions on what Islam does (or does not) say. His public speaking and presentation skills are also unmatched amongst the counter-jihad lecturers, IMAO. He stands like a rock, in the midst of a storm of misinformation about Islam, not to mention the frequent unjustified personal attacks on his abilities and character.

      I do wish Robert Spencer would give the personal vendetta between him and Reza Aslan a rest, and stick to the facts of their dispute(s). For one thing, Robert always seems to post the most unflattering pix available of Mr. Aslan on the JihadWatch site – usually with Reza’s mouth half-open, like he’s trying to talk and chew food at the same time. That is a practice that I am sure Mr. Spencer would find highly objectionable, if it were done to him on such a regular schedule. And that’s pretty much the worst thing I can say about Robert Spencer … which, in my book, ain’t much.

  • WillyWallace

    “These people are ISLAMOPHOBES!”
    Didn’t Obama say “not to denigrate the religion of others” and “the Prophet Mohammed?” Funny how his supporters who agreed with him are now doing that but they don’t know the double-sized hypocrisy. Funny to how Obama allows the denigration of his own Christian religion, including by himself and leading the charge, and how he let Harry Reid, and his supporters, denigrate the Mormon religion. Obama can’t even dare to say anything about extremists in Islam and especially those who are killing Christians by the thousands.

  • nomoretraitors

    The only reason the left is now taking on Islam is because they’re victimizing gays and girls, two of the left’s favorite constituencies. They don’t object to persecuting and killing Christians or Americans since in the “progressive” paradigm both these groups are labelled as oppressors

    • tom_billesley

      When will they discover muslim arab racist attitudes to “abd” (a word used without differentiation for black and slave)

  • Vicki S

    only because sharia is anti homosexual

  • AlgorithmicAnalyst

    No use expecting logic from celebrities :)

    • goldushapple

      Hey, these people give us movies in order to escape are drab miserable lives! They also give us culture! Not only that, but they’re constantly judged by the media and us plebs! /sarc

  • Patriotliz

    If only….the Leftist Lunatics could direct their enmity at Islam’s terror and violation of human rights rather than their pepetual viscious attacks on the “extremist” Tea Party conservatives and those who want to uphold the U.S. Constitution. Who knows–our country might have had the upper hand in the war on terror by now IF the Leftists…”only had a brain.” (I can’t help but hear that tune in my head whenever I hear Biden speak.)

  • USARetired

    No matter, There is absolutely no place in America for Islam! There is a very big conflict between Islamic law and our democratic society, and since this is our America, all Muslims are invited to leave and not return! We are a Christian society and Muslims are non Christians! You can never live in a Democratic/Christian society!
    If you do not leave peaceably you will be forced out !

  • USARetired

    I wish to know what Obama thinks of this latest action, since he is a known Muslim, and can no longer hide in his ‘Closet’!

  • rulierose

    Spencer must not have read the very strange article on the Daily Beast by Dean Obedallah (sp?), in which Deano explains that Boko Haram has “nothing to do with Islam.”

    yes, the progs have talked themselves into believing that Boko Haram is not an Islamist group. that’s why it’s ok for them to be offended by the kidnaping.

    btw, why wasn’t the Left similarly outraged when Boko Haram broke into a boys’ school a few months ago and burned 59 Christian boys to death?

  • truebearing

    Don’t celebrate too soon. Hollywood has a penchant for moral theater. Real discernment isn’t their thing. They protest like it is an acting role.

    • goldushapple

      Real anything isn’t their thing unless it’s Real Degradation and Real Make Believe.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Where’s the BDS crowd?

    Can’t blame Israel?

    Never mind.

  • corrrine

    All Muslims have to do to rule the world as they plan to do, is keep going in their breeding frenzy,

  • justquitnow

    Fpm just wants all out war….

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Fpm – Fascism progressive muslims want all out war.

  • Go Jira

    Islam is the most reprehensible thing ever devised by the lunacy of man.

    • rubber stamp

      Let me correct you, there was one – called Maya Civilization. Those were slightly more brutal, but pretty close. It’s time for Islam have the same fate in history as Maya

  • rubber stamp

    whatever that means “…your right hands possess” jerks.

  • Shel Zahav

    The Sultan bought the Clintons.

  • Terri Reger

    Perhaps Hollywood is finally waking up to the realization that, if Islam takes over their little corner, there will be no more movies with ‘women leads’ and any kind of female skin at all being shown? No more ‘Bay Watch’-type outfits for the ‘ladies’!!!

  • American1969

    I like Jay Leno, and no disrespect for his wife, but she’s really ignorant to make the statement that Christianity is more oppressive to women than Islam.
    Furthermore, while it’s good to see this, it’s pretty much a PR stunt. Hollywood doesn’t do causes for anything other than that. In about a week or two, everything will go back to “normal”.

  • Viking.

    In my opinion Islam should be banned by law in Western countries. The penalty for being a follower of Islam- deportation to a Muslim country. To renounce Islam carries the death penalty in Muslim lands. Those brave souls that truly renounce Islam are welcome to stay with us.

  • Jacky Treehorn

    John Simpson a well respected journalist speaking about a report he submitted for the BBC said that he quoted the leader of Boko as saying “I enjoy killing the people my god tells me to kill like I enjoy killing goats and chickens” the BBC for reasons known unto themselves cut that bit out. There can be only two reasons for this ,(a) they don’t want to hurt the feelings of the Boko leader or more likely (b) after toeing the line that Mohamed was a peace loving prophet they don’t want people to find out the truth about Islam.
    Self censorship in regards to Islam is a speciality of the Marxist BBC.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    The first and foremost requirement of Islam is that all Muslims must totally, completely, and unconditionally submit to the “will of Allah” under the penalty of death for apostasy and blasphemy. Thus, that begs the question: what exactly is the “will of Allah” that all Muslims must totally, completely, and unconditionally submit to under the penalty of death for apostasy and blasphemy? In essence, it is Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, and Sharia is extremely draconian relative to our modern day laws since it is the product of a megalomaniac who also happened to be a 7th century barbarian.

    Moreover, according to Islam, Sharia emanates directly from Allah and is therefore perfect and absolutely just, and because Sharia is divine it therefore supersedes all laws created by man. Hence, the worldwide global jihad to make Islam supreme throughout the world via the eventual imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law).

    Thus, all Muslims in the world are Sharia compliant Muslims. Otherwise, they would be executed for apostasy and blasphemy, per their total, complete, and unconditional submission to the “will of Allah” under the penalty of death for apostasy and blasphemy.

    Therefore, every time our government enables a Muslim to migrate to America, at the same time it is also importing more and more Sharia into the country. Not to mention as well, that Muslims never ever assimilate and integrate into becoming productive and contributing American citizens because assimilating and integrating into an infidel society would be extremely blasphemous for a Muslim, and blasphemy in Islam is a capital offense.

    Thus, if Muslims aren’t migrating to America to assimilate and integrate into American infidel society, then why are they migrating to America in the first place? It’s because mass Muslim immigration to America with all of its excess baggage and elsewhere in the infidel world is really non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad for the nefarious purposes of mass Muslim infiltration throughout our society and for eventual demographic conquest.