Imagine Living in a Socialist USA

imagineFrancis Goldin, Debby Smith and Michael Steven Smith, eds., Imagine Living in a Socialist USA, (New York: Harper Perennial, 2014) 304 pp., $15.99

This dreadful book has one redeeming quality: it admits candidly what the Left in America really wants when it says that its goal is a socialist country. Meant to be a recruiting tool as well as a morale booster for the Left, this book leads to a very different conclusion than its editors and authors intend.

Karl Marx, who, aside from that one famous sentence that when the communist golden age was finally reached, men would hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon and relax at night, never wrote anything about how the communist future would actually work or what it would look like. The editors of Imagine, on the other hand, have tried for a book that paints an explicit portrait of the utopian future they are sure is just around the corner. They’ve recruited the usual suspects to help them out: including Bill Ayers, Michael Moore, Michael Ratner, Blanche Wiesen Cook, Frances Fox Piven, Mumia Abu-Jumal, Angela Davis, Juan Gonzalez and Leslie Cagan, among many others.

The first thing one notices when looking over the contributors is that there is no longer any differentiation between the Old Communist Left and the New Left. They are now one and the same, united in the hope of creating a revolution, or as Barack Obama once put it, a “fundamental transformation” of the United States. This did not happen, as some of them hoped and expected, in “one step” once Obama got elected. They now realize that whether or not it happens is up to them.  Hence this half-witted blueprint.

I read through as many of the essays as I could stand, until the brain dwarfing unreality became too daunting.  The editors did not take seriously the fundamental principle that boredom is the great enemy of human life.

The first section of Imagine is devoted to a critique of capitalism; the second is meant “to inspire hope”; the third, to imagining what life in a socialist America would be like.

Turning to the last section first, it is immediately apparent that the socialist future imagined here is not a place that anyone in his or her right mind would choose to live.  When you read radical lawyer Michael Ratner’s speculation about what he would do if he became Attorney General of the United States, for instance, you’ll change your mind about Eric Holder being the worst possible person in that post. Ratner would “handcuff the FBI,” parole every “supposed” political prisoner (a list that includes a group of heavy hitters); end the prosecution of “truth-tellers” like Edward Snowden; indict Barack Obama for “murder by targeted assassination,” followed by similar charges against George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and others.

Then there is City University of New York historian Clifford D. Conner, who among other things is an editor of a volume titled The International Encyclopedia of Revolution and Protest. As you might expect, he tells his readers “there is no avoiding the word ‘revolution’ to describe the necessary transformation” that lies ahead for America. But despite the grim and probably sanguinary prognosis, Conner is quite optimistic that the pieces are in place for this future. All you need is, first,  a “rebellious mass movement,” that would quickly ignite “a revolutionary situation”; then the old vanguard party to lead the protestors to wrest “control of the state away from the booboisie”; and finally the “conquest of state power.” Piece of cake.  Connor’s solution is old-style Leninism tarted up for modern occasions; thousands of the old Communist Party pamphlets he obviously grew up on given a little cosmetic surgery and then presented as a new face. God help the students who enroll in this man’s courses.

In the second section, “Imagining Socialism,” the highlight is Fred Jerome’s article about how the news media would function in a socialist USA. I have already written about an excerpt that appeared in Salon, and you can read my lengthy discussion of what Jerome says here. The bio in this book tells readers about all the mainstream publications Jerome has written for, and that HUAC subpoenaed him in the 1960s. It leaves out the quaint fact that he was a leader of the American young Communist movement in the 1950s, the son of the Party’s cultural commissar V. J. Jerome, and one of the founding members of the Maoist breakaway from the CPUSA, the so-called Progressive Labor Party. Obviously, Jerome does not want readers to know about the tradition from which he comes, or that rather than being a “new” socialist he is an old Red, the likes of which by now should have been stuffed and put in the Smithsonian.

Proving faithful to his Marxist-Leninist father’s ideology, Jerome’s prescriptions for journalism could be modeled on the Soviet era Pravda and Fidel Castro’s Granma. In his perfect world, the media would function as a mechanism of control by the country’s revolutionary leaders, who would seek to create enthusiasm for the citizens to fulfill what Jerome, in a possible Freudian slip, calls their “production-distribution quotas.”  The press in the society Jerome envisions will lose its freedom overnight, just as it did under the reign of Hugo Chavez, the hero of so many of the contributors to this anthology. But the kept press of capitalism deserves such a fate. As Jerome says, the U.S. media is controlled by “a grand total of six mega-corporations—Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation, Disney, Viacom, Time Warner, CBS, and Comcast.” These evil corporate conglomerates are simply “tools used by the 1 percent to rule and fool.” (It might surprise Comrade Jerome to discover that the book in which his essay appears is published by Harper Collins, a firm that as Wikipedia tells us, is owned by — you guessed it — none other than Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation itself, another illustration, presumably, of Lenin’s wise observation that “the capitalists will sell us the rope we’ll use to hang them.”)

This section has some other gems also worth mentioning.  Harriet Fraad and Tess Fraad-Woolf pine for a society in which “we are all basically equal,” which would eliminate shame for those who do not live like “the rich and famous.” Junk food would disappear; everyone would not only have free health care, but soon we would have a health system —-I kid you not—-as good as that of Communist Cuba! (“Imagine,” they write, “how healthy we could be in our rich nation if medicine were socialized like Cuba’s.”) Like Michael Moore, they obviously are completely unaware that only tourists and apparatchiks have any decent medical services, and that the bulk of the Cuban population is lucky to get one rationed aspirin when ill.

Oh, and don’t forget that finally Americans will have good sex under socialism, since like Sweden, sex education will begin in the first grade. In this polymorphous perverse utopia, “all kind of mutual loving” will be celebrated, “gay, straight and trans-gender.” Somehow, Fraad and Fraad-Woolf fail to address the well-known suppression of homosexuals in their beloved revolutionary Cuba.  But while such facts may be stubborn things, there’s always affirmation in the larger picture. Historian Blanche Wiesen Cook, another contributor, explains that in the big picture “progressive and socialist women understood that economic security combined with feminism and sexual freedom were required for individual serenity and community harmony.”

Finally, the former terrorist and Weather Underground leader Bill Ayers gives readers his educational philosophy, which comes down to a one-liner: schools should prepare students to be socialist revolutionaries. His educational summum bonum is indoctrination, and it is indeed frightening to realize that Ayers should be regarded as a distinguished educational theorist; indispensable man in the nation’s education schools.  He wants schools to create the new socialist man; even more he wants the destruction of the educational status quo in which “schools for compliance and conformity” produce citizens who accept the “pigeonhole” into which they were born.

Ayers favors what he calls “teaching toward freedom and democracy,” euphemisms for what he once publicly stated, standing next to the late Hugo Chavez, was the essence of the Venezuelan system of education which sooner or later would have to be adopted in the USA as a model. That is “socialist education” which adopts Marx’s belief that “the fullest development of each is the condition for the full development of all.”

Ayers calls for a “liberating pedagogy” in which “alternative and insurgent classrooms” teach “mind-blowing” ideas.  But you can be sure that students in the socialist future will not have their minds blown by exposure to the strengths of democratic capitalism and that they will experience no remorse or relief from the Marxist views and beliefs of their professors, reading from the gospel according to Howard Zinn, who teach them that the United States is the greatest oppressor in the world and that its past history is one of unmitigated evil.

The idea for this book comes from a woman named Frances Goldin, who is described as an 88-year-old socialist, who has two goals she wants to see before she passes from the earth—“get Mumia Abu-Jamal out of prison and edit a book about what America might be like if it were socialist.” I do not know much about Ms. Goldin, aside from her bio that tells us that when she first heard the word socialist when she was 18, it “sounded like a great idea.” With the publication of Imagine, she has achieved part of her life’s ambition.  We can only hope that she will go to her socialist grave with the other half being unrequited.

What is striking about the book is how the current generation of self-proclaimed socialists writing in this volume have carried on a bankrupt tradition, pouring poisoned old wine into new bottles by adding a veneer of concern for leftist environmentalism, gay and transgender rights and feminism to the old model of socialist revolution. The entire way in which they refer to a new revolutionary future and system is advocacy by other means for exactly the kinds of systems that produced charnel houses in the old Soviet Union and Maoist China, and in Communist Cuba and North Korea today.

One of the blurbs for the book comes from a man who once considered himself part of the early New Left, the writer Paul Buhle. He thinks that this book will have the effect Edward Bellamy’s Looking Backward, which converted Eugene V. Debs to socialism, had in the late 19th Century. I think that we already know that Mr. Buhle’s dream is dead on arrival, which is just as well because as the 19th century and its successor showed, it was actually a nightmare in disguise.

I will end with a prediction of my own, quite different than that offered by Buhle. Anyone who innocently picks up and reads this book will forever be turned off by the claim that socialism should be America’s future. Perhaps we conservatives should be handing Imagine out as a sure way to advance our cause.

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  • Anti sharia

    If you really want to prevent the barbarians from taking over, kill them. Civilization is not preserved through peaceful means. The barbarians win when civilization refuses to fight back.

    • KyraNelson

      I hope your comment doesn’t get deleted. When I suggested putting a spear through self-hating, sleeping-with-the-enemy Jews, they deleted my comment. I’m thinking it didn’t actually offend them as much as they just can’t publicly condone the incitement to violence. I guess leftards could use it against them or something. BUT-not if they’re de*d! :)

      • Disapp

        Why are you condemning all Jews?

        • KyraNelson

          Huh? Did you miss the part about self-hating, sleeping-with-the-enemy Jews??? Like Max Blumenthal, Judith Butler, Medusa Benjamin, Chomsky, Finkelstein, J-Street, Soros, ETC.
          Or we’re you attempting subtlety, implying that all of us were like that??? Now that would be just plain hatin’ on my tribe, yo.

          • Disapp

            Hatred has never occurred to me. However, I think it is wrong to classify a whole group of people as being incapable of independent actions.

          • KyraNelson

            I’m pretty sure that you didn’t understand my original comment at all. I am Jewish, & very capable of independent thought. I love my people, and I see Israel as the only future for the Jewish people. “Jews” like Phillip Weiss & Max Blumenthal are a cancer. They have no connection to the Jewish people. There’s a very interesting film on Netflix called “The Flat,” made by Arnon Goldfinger. It really opens a door into the psyche of the Max Blumenthals of our time. I highly reccommend it.

          • sakovkt

            People who are incapable of independent actions or thought have no alternative to becoming a group under whoever will tell them what to do.

    • Drakken

      That is my exact philosophy and I readily agree and concur. The day is rapidly approaching where these communist will have to be lined up against walls and hanging from lamp posts all across the western world if we are to survive this plague. No matter how many times these communist try communism, it always ends up stacks of dead bodies.

  • truebearing

    We could buy this guide to imagining the outcome of communist governance, or we could read 20th Century history and learn what actually happened. Something tells me that “Imagine” doesn’t include the 100 million plus democides committed by previous Marxist utopias.

    When they die, and I hope it’s soon, may they all go to the Sisyphean Communist rung of the netherworld.

    • Drakken

      They will not go quietly, they need to be lined up against walls and hanging from lamp posts if we are to survive the coming troubles.

      • truebearing

        There is going to be a fight. No doubt about it.

  • Ismail Mohamed

    Off-topic but a must-read:

    For European non-Muslims:

    I am a closet Saudi ex-Muslim atheist living since early
    childhood in Egypt which as you probably know lies within the very dark heart
    of Islam- the Middle East. I was appalled by the fact that so many westerners
    even college-educated bright minds have actually bought the politically correct
    multiculturalism propaganda (PC MC) of main-stream media (MSM) and the
    Islamically justifiable deceptive lies (‘taqiya’ and ‘kitman’ )spewed by
    koranimals for the purpose of propagating piIslam on every front(media, education
    system, legal system, food industry, etc..), desensitizing far too many
    westerners to the existential threat it poses to the west and making them
    oblivious to its utterly barbaric inhumane doctrines and teachings and the
    spine-chilling, dreadful, gory, atrocious fate which surely awaits all kaffirs
    in the west should the west, especially Europe, fall to Islam, for example by
    pointing out to few peaceful Quranic Meccan verses written when that fucking
    bastard Mohamed was still a weak leader with few followers which were later
    abrogated by numerous open-ended much more violent Medinan verses as well as
    Hadiths (the sayings of Mohamed) written as the basis for never-ending
    institutionalized deadly gruesome violence against infidels until they are all
    converted or subjugated when he became a strong enough leader with many
    followers. From its inception, Islam has strived to take-over the world by arms
    and was stopped in its tracks and limited to its current realm by countless
    bloody wars in which hundreds of millions of kaffirs have perished and as a
    result falling behind the non-Muslim world regarding scientific advancement and
    technological innovation proceeding at break-neck paces throughout the
    renaissance and enlightenment ages and beyond in the west and to a lesser
    extent, in some non-Muslim Asian countries.

    I can’t think of enough commending words to express how much
    gratitude and admiration I have for many brave and honorable counter-jihadists
    who have devoted much of their lives to stand up for the west; its people,
    civilization, culture, values and society against the invasive onslaught of the
    primitive Islam and to raise awareness of the REAL Islam and the havoc it has
    always wrecked and continues to wreck globally upon the lives and properties of
    kaffirs and to inform the masses, being brainwashed by the PC MC main stream
    media (MSM) and liberal Muslim appeasing treacherous politicians and the so
    called academic ‘experts’ on Islam, about the reality of this death cult but
    you informed western Kaffirs should work harder to bring the real nature of
    Islam to the light among all your friends and acquaintances and even local
    council and state parliament representatives to expose the greatest lie spread
    in human history that Islam means PEACE in Arabic when it means SUBMISSION and to counter the silly baseless allegations
    and claims of the politically correct lamestream media and deceptive lies
    (‘taqiya’ and ‘kitman’ )by koranimals brainwashing naïve westerners to believe
    that ISLAM MEANS PEACE WHEN IT MEANS SUBMISSION AND THAT ISLAM IS A RACE WHEN
    IT IS NOT (ALL RACES HAVE A SHARE OF MUZZIES and IF PEOPLE CAN CONVERT TO ISLAM
    THEN IT IS DEFINETELY NOT A RACE!!!) AND IT IS NOT RACIST TO EXPOSE THIS DEATH
    CULT for what it is and has always been, just because most Muslims are people
    of color.

    White Europeans have had sub-replacement fertility(total
    fertility rates less than 2.1 per white woman) since the sexual revolution in
    the 60’s and for whites to not become a racial minority in their own ancestral
    homelands and to survive THIS century instead of going EXTINCT as current
    demographic trends point that this will happen well before its end, white European
    women must have AT LEAST 2 WHITE kids each even if they cannot afford it and
    would have to be on benefits/social welfare to provide for them including
    single white European women through artificial insemination and IVF, preferably
    with gene selection for intelligence and Nordic features, and all the racially
    aware white nationalists and supremacists must dedicate much of their free time
    to promoting racial awareness and pride among your white acquaintances and
    friends and to encourage them and make them realize how important it is for
    them to breed enough kids only with whites and to avoid miscegenation for the
    very survival of your race as I, as a medical student have learned that most,
    if not all, of the genes responsible for exclusively white traits such as thin
    lips(half-lips), lightly-colored (blue, green, hazel, etc.) iris, lightly-colored
    hair (blondes and red-heads) and very fair skin tone are recessive (these
    phenotypic characters are overshadowed when their dominant counterparts of
    other races are introduced into the genotype of the offspring of inter-racial
    fertilization). No offence intended but, frankly, on average, white males have
    lower testosterone levels and thus smaller penises than males originally from
    SOME hotter regions of the world such as black Africans and Arabs and dark
    brown Asians (Indians and Pakistanis and Bangladeshis) and hence would have to
    make up for this by something else such as helping their white female partners/spouses
    with the house chores, allowing them to use huge dildos as they want, etc. to
    keep the hyper-sexual white chicks from trading long-term relationships with
    white men with more sexually virile men of SOME darker races. A key point for
    racially aware white chicks to look for in white men to identify those with
    higher than average testosterone levels hence bigger penises is the easily
    observable secondary sexual characteristics such body hair, facial hair, deep
    voice and untrained natural skeletal muscle mass. The higher the testosterone
    levels, the more naturally muscular, deep-voiced and hairy a man is.

    I thankfully urge you to copy and paste the following onto a
    Microsoft Office Word file and send it via email to every one you know, more
    specifically the Islamophilic ones, and your parliament representatives and
    share it on Facebook and print it and hand out flyers to random people in the
    street; do whatever you can think of to make this go viral for the safety and
    good of all us kaffirs and the very survival of the west (spread the word, make
    this go viral, raise the alarm, ring the alarm bells!!!):

    This is the testimony of a closet ex-Muslim atheist born in
    Saudi Arabia and living since early childhood in Egypt.

    My testimony should serve as a WARNING and an ADVICE TO
    NON-MUSLIM (‘Kuffar’ كفار
    or ‘Kaffarra’ (كفرة WESTERNERS from a NON-MUSLIM (‘kaffir’
    كافر) LIVING IN AN ISLAMIC
    THEOCRACY (falsely believed by naive westerners to be a democracy) shithole
    which I am eager to leave as soon as I can.

    I am a closet ex-Muslim atheist and under Islamic Sharia Law
    (applied fully in Saudia Arabia and Iran and, to a lesser extent, in almost all
    other Islamic countries), it’s a capital crime to be godless/irreligious and
    that is legally allowed to be punishable by vigilantes extra-judicially as well
    as by the judicature by death, usually by beheading, so it’s suicide to declare
    that I am an atheist here. Islam which literally means SUBMISSION in Arabic is
    a hell-bent-on-world-domination expansionist militant totalitarian fascist Theo-political
    and socio-political supremacist ideology with a judicial aspect masquerading as
    a religion and is the anti-thesis to everything democracy means and entails.
    From an Islamic theological perspective, the whole world is divided in two
    camps: Dar Al-Islam (دارالاسلام House of Islam; that’s the Muslim world) and
    Dar Al-harb ( الحرب دار House of war; that’s
    is the non-Muslim world upon which Islam relentlessly wages Jihad till it’s
    subjugated to the fold of Islam). In Islam, there’s no separation of Mosque(by
    which I mean the Islamic equivalent of Church) and State—the Mosque IS the State
    and the judicature rules according to the Islamic legal code or aspect—the
    Sharia(الشريعة الإسلامية
    ) under which there are no individual freedoms and freedoms taken for granted
    in the non-Muslim world such as criticizing Islam as with any other religion or
    ideology(it’s free speech NOT hate speech), apostasy of Muslims, proselytizing
    any other faith(for example renown Christian missionaries are not allowed into
    Islamic countries and native Christians and Christian converts will be
    massacred by the authorities and ordinary Muslim people alike if they dare to
    proselytize to Muslims), being openly homosexual and having extra-marital sex
    are capital crimes punishable by beheading, hanging and stoning to death and
    it’s illegal to have pre-marital sex, drink alcoholic beverages and eat pork
    which are punishable by harsh whipping/flogging/lashing and lengthy
    imprisonment. Muslims have been instructed in the Qu’ran and Hadiths to spread
    their ideology to all the world and subjugate all countries to Islamic Sharia
    even if done deceitfully(‘taqiya’ and ‘kitman’ doctrine تقية وكتمان)and even by terrorizing their non-Muslim
    civilians and there’s no such thing as moderate Islam(Turkish PM Erdogan’s own
    words, Milliet, Turkey, 21 August, 2007) and the so-called moderate Muslims are
    not following, or ignorant of, their blood-drenched horrific scriptures or just
    sleeping terrorist cells and ‘taqyia’ practicing stealth jihadis and all
    practising observant devout pious Muslims who make up the overwhelming majority
    of Muslims are Islamists (beards, hijabs and especially niqabs are dead
    give-aways of Islamists) who are and will sacrifice everything for global
    Islamic takeover and the re-establishment of a caliphate where governed by
    Shariah laws under which all non-Muslims will either be forced to SUBMIT and
    convert to Islam or be beheaded except for Jews and Christians(people of the
    book أهل الكتاب ) who would be made to convert to Islam or
    pay tribute tax (‘jizya’ جزية)to their Muslim
    masters and live as persecuted, cowed and threatened second class citizens
    (‘zemmys’ ذميين)with most of their
    human rights forcibly denied and subjected to state-approved deadly attacks by rampaging
    Muslim mobs on a daily basis with no prosecution of the Muslim perpetrators
    whatsoever.(Google and read the pact of Caliph Omar Bin Al-Khattab with the
    Copts عهد الخليفة عمر مع الاقباط النصاري
    who had been by far the most tolerant Caliph to grasp the scale of the
    unbearably appalling conditions under which ‘zemmys’ have lived even under his rule and are, to a
    lesser degree, living today in the Muslim world).. All western citizens who
    cherish FREEDOM should immediately STOP electing Muslim-appeasing liberals and
    ‘politically correct’ leftists who will foolishly cause the west to be
    Islamized by their Muslim mass-immigration policies and support for government
    provision of generous social welfare for, among other impoverished people, the
    notoriously massively procreating Muslim families(demographic jihad) and the
    leftists’ advocacy and endorsement of cultural ‘enrichment’ and multiculturalism
    or else live hell under Islamic Sharia. Since its inception, Islam has always
    been at WAR with the WEST –in fact has always been at WAR with the REST (the
    entire non-Muslim world) –and for the west to finally conquer Islam,
    FREEDOM-valuing/loving patriotic racially aware white European infidels MUST
    elect white nationalist and cultural nationalist politicians for parliament,
    government and presidency who are well aware of the reality of Islam and who
    will have to:

    1) STOP buying oil from the Muslim countries especially
    Saudia Arabia as a large proportion of Saudi petrodollars serve as the chief
    source of funding the spread of Wahabi Salafi sect of Islam (most intolerant
    understanding of the most intolerant ideologyالوهابية السلفية) and financing Jihad all over the world but
    instead import oil from Canada, Brazil, Mexico and reluctantly Venezuela and
    Russia.

    2) STOP immigration of Muslims and non-white non-Muslims and
    if necessary allow only the most competent, intelligent and educated non-white
    non-Muslim white-collar professionals work visas but never permanent residency
    or naturalization (Europe is the ancestral homeland of whites and belongs only
    to them).

    3) DEPORT Muslim immigrants especially Islamists (beards,
    hijabs and niqabs are dead give-aways of Islamists) to their homelands and
    leave them to die off as most Muslim states are technological and economic
    failures and will not have the resources to even provide medical care and food
    for their people if it was not for the huge oil export revenues of some
    oil-rich Muslim countries and the civilized developed world generously giving
    vital aid and basic life necessities to the oil-poor ones.

    • Hass

      Mate, I agree with all of what you state.

      It’s a pity Western Governments don’t pay attention to the many great Apostates when it comes to the Muslime problems.

      I’m always happy to meet fellow Apostates like yourself. Take care!

  • Hass

    Evil Left want to devolve.

    • Habbgun

      How do you tell when they have devolved? They look pretty awful already.

  • TheOrdinaryMan

    19th Century socialism was a nightmare–from the Haymarket riot, to the shooting of Henry Clay Frick, to the murder of Idaho Gov. Frank Steunenberg; and the American people didn’t want it. But then we had the Great depression of 1929, soon afterwards FDR was elected President–and now, under Obama, the water is boiling–and the frog is comatose, and nearly dead.

    • Harry Black

      “The American people didn’t want [socialism]?” If I recall, it wasn’t socialists and anarchists but the Chicago police who rioted at Haymarket. In 1920, while he was serving a ten year prison sentence for sedition, a million Americans voted for the socialist Eugene Debs for president. The American people also elected the “socialist” FDR president four times. Americans may not want socialism, but poll them and they want the rich to pay their fair share of taxes, they want less income polarization, they want unemployment insurance, they want SNAP, and they want single-payer health care.

      • Drakken

        The problem that you socialist don’t comprehend, is economics and the fact that when you run out of other peoples money for your social programs, you get a lot of people rather upset. Once the tools on the left get their amnesty, you blacks will really be howling about jobs.

        • Harry Black

          Dear me! Mr. Drakken seems to think leftists know nothing about economics. Drakken no doubt gets his (unoriginal) economic views from Margaret Thatcher and Ayn Rand–as if an unfettered free market ever solved the problem of joblessness or poverty. As for his gratuitous “you blacks”–I take it from whence it came.

  • bob smith

    with the increased censorship of late within fpm scrutinizing every word written and countless postings denied by the ‘screening’ team AND all of the new found love of hip hop, imagining is no longer required.

    socialism is HERE! fpm, the new socialist utopia

  • Sgt Maj

    While Nobama robots are salivating over this hunk of garbage, it’s fascinating that only in America could the radical socialist left get it printed.
    Who thinks they would allow a book about capitalism to be read if they actually had their dream come true and took over the USA?

    • tagalog

      Is that CIB accurate as to your experiences? What two wars?

      • Sgt Maj

        You think anyone would put up that symbol if it wasn’t earned?
        You just have to be old.

  • Wolfthatknowsall

    All you need is a “rebellious movement”? They’re already creating that, but not necessarily the movement that they hoped for.

    Communists have said, for generations, that to control a nation, it’s necessary to control the streets (and the countryside). They don’t have the numbers to do that. They want revolution, but it may very well come from their enemies … us.

    • tagalog

      It would indeed be a very interesting spectacle to see the leftists engaging in armed revolution. I suspect it would last for no more than a day or two, until the shooters and those with military training got motivated to pop them.

      Then they’d raise a horrible uproar about how they got shot down when all they wanted was rapid -but non-violent- change.

      Remember Kent State!

      • Wolfthatknowsall

        I do remember Kent State. If I were a soldier who had people throwing bricks at me, I would … at the very least … be tempted to shoot them, also.

        Exactly who are the Leftists going to use for this armed revolution? College students? Bangers? Feminists?

        • hrwolfe

          Keep in mind that the Kent State rioters had brandished guns and shots were fired the afternoon and morning before the National Guard fired. I do not think they should have but the incident was not without provocation. People always talk about peaceful demonstrators but who then did all the damage to public property?

          • tagalog

            They burned the ROTC building on campus. They also rioted in downtown Kent. That’s why the National Guard were there.

            I guess they thought they were bringing the war back home. Then it came to them. End of demonstrating and beginning of singing “Find The Cost of Freedom.”

        • tagalog

          You can bet it will be someone whose political stance includes the dislike of firearms and the advocacy of gun control. There’s about a 75-80% chance that the leftists who are talking about armed revolution have little or no experience with firearms.

          As with all other things, they no doubt expect someone else to do it for them.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            This is why gun-owners and enthusiasts … and combat veterans … are so “dangerous”, according to the Left. There’s over 100 million of us, and we won’t allow the Left to define what the Founders meant with the Second Amendment. Witness Connecticut and Vermont, at this very moment.

            For myself, I really like my Barrett. It cost me over six thousand bucks, and each round runs about $4, but it range, accuracy, and penetration is well worth the expense.

            Did you catch that, NSA?

          • tagalog

            Some years ago, I guess I could say MANY years ago, in an anomalous moment of college-student socialist revolutionary fervor, I offered to instruct a couple of my socialist revolutionary comrades in the use of rifles and pistols by going to the range and doing some shooting. The reaction was truly priceless: you might have thought I was asking them to wipe their hands with a snot rag.

            They looked shocked and fell all over themselves with excuses why they couldn’t handle a firearm or even touch one. That was the clearest moment in my youthful journey from delusion to reality when I became viscerally aware of the disjunction between what socialist revolutionaries say, and what they really believe and do.

            Now, over forty years later, I find it humorous. Whenever I hear some lefty talking about revolution, I think of what they would say if they ever had the opportunity to talk to an actual leftist revolutionary who actually bore arms in an actual revolution, and laugh out loud.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            Good story, and one that is worth remembering …

            The ONLY thing preventing an immediate crackdown on the Second Amendment, today, is the fact that the people would rise up, in arms. That, after all, is the purpose of the Second Amendment … the final sanction against tyranny. Don’t tread on me …

            Instead, the Feds will allow their toadies in state and local governments to do their job, for them, in driblets … the proverbial boiling frog. Only when it’s too late will the Feds begin their assault upon the American people.

            We even have many people in the Army … like Muslims and homosexuals … who have no love for conservatives, and would be willing to fire on the American people. We need to be willing to pay the ultimate price for our freedoms.

            And note that our freedoms cannot be protected … and will not be … by the Federal government. They can only be protected by us.

          • Drakken

            Try the .416 by Barrett, very expensive rounds but a nail driver at 2,000 meters.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            It is, indeed. But I picked the .50-cal because the round will be widely available, if needed …

          • Drakken

            As much as I really hate to say this, the time is rapidly approaching where you just might need to use it.

  • Ismail Mohamed

    For American, Canadian, Australian non-Muslims:

    I am a closet Saudi ex-Muslim atheist living since early
    childhood in Egypt which as you probably know lies within the very dark heart
    of Islam- the Middle East. I was appalled by the fact that so many westerners
    even college-educated bright minds have actually bought the politically correct
    multicultural (PC MC) propaganda of main-stream media (MSM), albeit Fox News is
    not as extremely and dangerously PC as the
    rest of MSM outlets, and the Islamically justifiable deceptive lies (‘taqiya’
    and ‘kitman’ )spewed by koranimals for the purpose of propagating piIslam on
    every front(media, education system, legal system, food industry, etc..), desensitizing
    far too many westerners to the existential threat it poses to the west and making
    them oblivious to its utterly barbaric inhumane doctrines and teachings and the
    spine-chilling, dreadful, gory, atrocious fate which surely awaits all kaffirs
    in the west should the west especially Europe (I have a sad feeling that it may
    be already too late for Europe) fall to Islam, for example by pointing out to
    few peaceful Quranic Meccan verses written when that fucking sadistic bastard Mohamed
    was still a weak leader with few followers which were later abrogated by
    numerous open-ended much more violent Medinan verses as well as Hadiths (the
    sayings of Mohamed) written as the basis for never-ending institutionalized
    deadly gruesome violence against infidels until they are all converted or subjugated
    when he became a strong enough leader with many followers. From its inception,
    Islam has strived to take-over the world by arms and was stopped in its tracks,
    pushed back and limited to its current realm by countless bloody wars in which
    hundreds of millions of kaffirs have perished and as a result falling behind
    the non-Muslim world regarding scientific advancement and technological
    innovation proceeding at break-neck paces throughout the renaissance and
    enlightenment ages and beyond in the west and to a lesser extent in some
    non-Muslim Asian countries.

    There’s have been some backlash in the past few years in
    some European countries against the Koranimals and some decrease in dhimmitude
    and capitulation to Islam especially in France but I am not foreseeing a dramatic
    political sea change to turn back the Muslim invasion and put a halt to the
    Islamisation of Europe. The pathetic pacifist far-left EU politicians have
    disarmed the European citizens, of whom the vast majority are willfully
    ignorant of shitslam and/or are delusional with their minds so far locked in
    the cages of self-censoring PC insanity and almost undoubtedly likely to
    sacrifice critical thinking and rational response to the god of PC instead of
    actually standing up for themselves, culture and values and instead of bending
    over, like a fear-paralyzed little pre-pubescent girl to her Muslim rapist, to
    the Islamic scum so an outbreak of a continent-wide civil war to purge Europe
    of the Islamic vermin, before Europe is demographically engulfed by Islam, will
    never be more than a pipe dream. Real freedom-loving Americans should take note
    and fight the democrats tooth and nail to keep their guns and hopefully one day
    when Americans have had enough of the destructive presence of muzzies in
    America, Americans will rise up to give the muzzies in America an ultimatum –
    either they fuck off and return to their Islamic cesspools or it’s open season
    on every cousinfuckin’ one of ’em.

    I can’t think of enough commending words to express how much
    gratitude and admiration I have for many brave and honorable counter-jihadists
    who have devoted much of their lives to stand up for the west; its people,
    civilization, culture, values and society against the invasive onslaught of the
    primitive Islam and to raise awareness of the REAL Islam and the havoc it has
    always wrecked and continues to wreck globally upon the lives and properties of
    kaffirs and to inform the masses, being brainwashed by the PC MC lamestream
    media and liberal Muslim-appeasing treacherous politicians and the so called
    academic ‘experts’ on Islam, about the reality of this death cult but you
    informed western Kaffirs should work harder to bring the real nature of Islam
    to the light among all your friends and acquaintances and even local council
    and state parliament representatives to expose the greatest lie spread in human
    history that Islam means PEACE in Arabic when it means SUBMISSION and to counter the silly baseless allegations
    and claims of the PC lamestream media and deceptive lies (‘taqiya’ and ‘kitman’
    )by koranimals brainwashing naïve westerners to believe that ISLAM MEANS PEACE
    WHEN IT MEANS SUBMISSION AND THAT ISLAM IS A RACE WHEN IT IS NOT (ALL RACES
    HAVE A SHARE OF MUZZIES and IF PEOPLE CAN CONVERT TO ISLAM THEN IT IS
    DEFINETELY NOT A RACE !!!) AND IT IS NOT RACIST TO EXPOSE THIS DEATH CULT for
    what it is and has always been just because most Muslims are people of color.

    ALL AWARE American, Canadian and Australian INFIDELS MUST
    UNITE IN THE FIGHT AGAINST PISLAM regardless of belief, or lack thereof, race,
    ethnicity and home country.

    The current non-white immigration rates into America are
    unlikely to change because of the capitalist economy of America with
    multinational corporations as its backbone which needs some immigrants such the
    Mexicans to do blue-collar jobs cheaper than whites and generally more educated
    and smarter ones such as the Indians and Chinese as skilled and competent
    white-collar professionals (doctors, scientists, etc.) due to the shortage in
    native American white candidates so do not expect any white nationalist
    politician such as David Duke to succeed in halting non-white immigration
    because the ‘system’ is just much stronger than him.

    I am NOT white but I understand white people’s sentiments
    regarding non-white immigration levels into America which is predominantly
    white so far but not in the not-so-distant-future (this is especially more true
    for America than for any other western country) judging by the current changing
    demographic trends. Whites used to make up at least 90% of Americans till the
    end of the 60’s and now they are down to around 65% and since 2010 less than 50%
    of the newborn Americans due to massive non-white immigration and
    sub-replacement fertility (total fertility rate less 2.1 per white American
    woman) since the 60’s. You are now wondering why would a non-white male be
    depressed by the fact that whites, especially pure-blooded Nordic ones, will go
    extinct well before the end of the century judging by the current demographic
    trends; that’s because I, for one, believe that white women are the only ones
    worthy of being called beautiful—to me, gorgeous pure-blooded white chicks are goddesses to enjoy having
    both passionate and rough casual no-commitment sex consensually with as many as
    my luck allows and it’s in my best interest to suggest insightful ways to
    overcome the demographic decline of whites so they won’t go extinct. As for the
    tiny minority of American white nationalists and white supremacists, the only
    sound and realistic and critically important advice I can give them is to have
    as many kids (at least 3 kids) with their white partners or spouses as possible
    even if they cannot afford it and would have to be on benefits/social welfare
    to provide for them and to dedicate much of their free time to promoting racial
    awareness and pride among your white acquaintances and friends and to encourage
    white women and make them realize how important it is for them to breed enough
    kids only with whites and even single ones through IVF and artificial insemination,
    preferably with gene selection for intelligence and Nordic features, and to
    avoid miscegenation for the very survival of your race as I, as a medical
    student have learned that most, if not all, of the genes responsible for
    exclusively white traits such as thin lips(half-lips), lightly colored (blue,
    green, hazel, etc.) iris, lightly colored hair (blondes and red-heads) and very
    fair skin tone are recessive (these phenotypic characters are overshadowed when
    their dominant counterparts of other races are introduced into the genotype of
    the offspring of inter-racial fertilization). No offence intended but, frankly,
    on average, white males have lower testosterone levels and thus smaller penises
    than males originally from SOME hotter regions of the world such as black
    Africans and Arabs and dark brown Asians (Indians and Pakistanis and
    Bangladeshis) and hence would have to make up for this by something else such
    as helping their white female partners/spouses with the house chores, allowing
    them to use huge dildos as they want, etc. to keep the hyper-sexual white
    chicks from trading long-term relationships with white men with more sexually
    virile men of SOME darker races. A key-point for racially aware white chicks to
    look for in white men to identify those with higher than average testosterone
    levels hence bigger penises is the easily observable secondary sexual
    characteristics such body hair, facial hair, deep voice and untrained natural
    skeletal muscle mass. The higher the testosterone levels, the more naturally
    muscular, deep-voiced and hairy a man is.

    I thankfully urge you to copy and paste the following onto a
    Microsoft Office Word file and send it via email to every one you know, more
    specifically the Islamophilic ones, and your parliament representatives and
    share it on Facebook and print it and hand out flyers to random people in the
    street; do whatever you can think of to make this go viral for the safety and
    good of all us kaffirs and the very survival of the west (spread the word, make
    this go viral, raise the alarm, ring the alarm bells!!!):

    This is the testimony of a closet ex-Muslim atheist born in
    Saudi Arabia and living since early childhood in Egypt.

    My testimony should serve as a WARNING and an ADVICE to
    NON-MUSLIM (‘KUFFAR’كفار
    or ‘KAFFARRA’ كفرة) WESTERNERS from a
    NON-MUSLIM (‘KAFFIR’ كافر) LIVING IN AN ISLAMIC
    THEOCRACY (falsely believed to be a democracy by naive westerners) shithole
    which I am eager to leave as soon as I can.

    I am a closet ex-Muslim atheist and under Islamic Sharia Law
    (applied fully in Saudia Arabia and Iran and, to a lesser extent, in almost all
    other Islamic countries), it’s a capital crime to be godless/irreligious and
    that is legally allowed to be punishable by vigilantes extra-judicially as well
    as by the judicature by death, usually by beheading, so it’s suicide to declare
    that I am an atheist here. Islam which literally means SUBMISSION in Arabic is
    a hell-bent-on-world-domination expansionist militant totalitarian fascist Theo-political
    and socio-political supremacist ideology with a judicial aspect masquerading as
    a religion and is the anti-thesis to everything democracy means and entails.
    From an Islamic theological perspective, the whole world is divided in two
    camps: Dar Al-Islam (دارالاسلام House of Islam; that’s the Muslim world) and
    Dar Al-harb (الحرب دار House of war; that’s
    is the non-Muslim world upon which Islam relentlessly wages Jihad till it’s subjugated
    to the fold of Islam). In Islam, there’s no separation of Mosque(by which I mean
    the Islamic equivalent of Church) and State—the Mosque IS the State and the
    judicature rules according to the Islamic legal code or aspect—the Sharia(الشريعة الإسلامية ) under which there’s
    no individual freedoms and freedoms taken for granted in the non-Muslim world
    such as criticizing Islam as with any other religion or ideology (it’s free
    speech NOT hate speech), apostasy of Muslims, proselytizing any other faith(for
    example renown foreign Christian missionaries are not allowed into Islamic
    countries and native Christians and Christian converts will be massacred by the
    authorities and ordinary Muslim people alike if they dare to proselytize to
    Muslims), being openly homosexual and having extra-marital sex are capital
    crimes punishable by beheading, hanging and stoning to death and it’s illegal
    to have pre-marital sex, drink alcoholic beverages and eat pork which are
    punishable by harsh whipping/flogging/lashing and lengthy imprisonment. Muslims
    have been instructed in the Qu’ran and Hadiths to spread their ideology to all
    the world and subjugate all countries to Islamic Sharia even if done
    deceitfully(‘taqiya’ and ‘kitman’ doctrine تقية وكتمان)and even by terrorizing their non-Muslim civilians
    and there’s no such thing as moderate Islam(Turkish PM Erdogan’s own words, Milliyet, Turkey, 21 August 2007) and the
    so-called moderate Muslims are not following, or ignorant of, their
    blood-drenched horrific scriptures or just sleeping terrorist cells and
    ‘taqyia’ practicing stealth jihadis and all practising observant devout pious
    Muslims who make up the overwhelming majority of Muslims are Islamists (beards
    and hijabs and especially niqabs are dead give-aways of Islamists) who are and
    will sacrifice everything for global Islamic takeover and the re-establishment
    of a caliphate governed by Shariah laws under which all non-Muslims will either
    be forced to SUBMIT and convert to Islam or be beheaded except for Jews and
    Christians(people of the book أهل الكتاب ) who would be made to
    convert to Islam or pay tribute tax (‘jizya’ جزية) to their Muslim masters and live as
    persecuted, cowed and threatened second class citizens (‘zemmys’, ذميين)with most of their
    human rights forcibly denied and subjected to state-approved deadly attacks by rampaging
    Muslim mobs on a daily basis with no prosecution of the Muslim perpetrators
    whatsoever.(Google and read the pact of Caliph Omar Bin Al-Khattab with the
    Copts عهد الخليفة عمر مع الاقباط النصاري who had been by far the most tolerant
    Caliph to grasp the scale of the unbearably appalling conditions under which
    ‘zemmys’ have lived even under his rule
    and are, to a lesser degree, living today in the Muslim world).. All western
    citizens who cherish FREEDOM should immediately STOP electing Muslim-appeasing
    liberals and politically correct leftists who will foolishly cause the west to
    be Islamized by their Muslim mass immigration policies and support for
    government provision of generous social welfare for, among other impoverished
    people, the notoriously massively procreating Muslim families(demographic
    jihad) and the leftists’ advocacy and endorsement of cultural ‘enrichment’ and
    multiculturalism(which is a good thing but not with Islamic culture)or else
    live hell under Islamic Sharia. Since its inception, Islam has always been at
    WAR with the WEST –in fact has always been at WAR with the REST (the entire non-Muslim
    world) –and for the west to finally conquer Islam, FREEDOM-valuing/loving
    patriotic Americans, Canadians and Australians MUST elect cultural nationalist politicians
    for parliament, government and presidency even if they are not white from the
    likes of Allen West (especially that, in his case, the Muslim-appeasing
    politically-correct leftists cannot play the race card against him) including
    the white nationalists and white supremacists among infidel voters who are well-aware
    of the reality of Islam and, who will have to:

    1) STOP buying oil
    from oil-rich Muslim countries especially Saudia Arabia as a large proportion
    of Saudi petrodollars serve as the chief source of funding the spread of Wahabi
    Salafi sect of Islam (most intolerant understanding of the most intolerant
    ideology الوهابية السلفية ) and financing Jihad
    all over the world and but instead import oil from Canada, Brazil, Mexico and
    reluctantly Venezuela and Russia.

    2) STOP immigration
    of Muslims and allow only non-Muslim immigrants into America, Canada and
    Australia.

    3) DEPORT Muslim
    immigrants especially Islamists (beards, hijabs and niqabs are dead give-aways
    of Islamists) to their homelands and leave them to die off as most Muslim
    states are technological and economic failures and will not have the resources
    to even provide medical care and food for their people if it was not for the
    huge oil export revenues of some oil-rich Muslim countries and the civilized
    developed world generously giving vital aid and basic life necessities to the
    oil-poor ones.

  • Chiron_Venizelos

    What troubles me most is that we’re almost there now. The foundation for socialism has been laid. The first stone was laid by Woodrow Wilson.

    • CapitalistPig

      The rollout of the ACA should be a case study–get em hooked on the cocaine of subsidies which builds the “dependency constituency” that provides the uber reliable voting base.
      Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, Social Security all follow the same model–along the way continuing building separate yet united voting bases & Voila!
      A free society frog has been successfully boiled into dependent sheeple.
      Yeah….it troubles me too—we’re just about there. “The government should do it” is pretty much the default politics of a majority of Americans.

  • hrwolfe

    Sort of like William Z. Foster’s “Toward a Soviet America.” That book is a chilling read when you consider what has been accomplished by the left. Control of Education and getting religion out of schools is precisely laid out on pg. 316 including the formation of a National Department of Education though it was published in 1932, I have an edition published in 1961 by anti-Communists looking to expose it. They told us their plan as we ignored it, that is the real folly!

    • Harry Black

      Getting religion out of public schools is a great idea. You might check the Constitution which stipulates not only freedom of religion but from state-imposed religion. But I forgot. The American right reads only those parts of the Constitution that suit their theocratic agenda.

      • truebearing

        Then getting Marxism and Environmentalism out of public schools is a great idea, since they are both religions. And the same goes for Islam, which is being given access by the leftists running our schools as indoctrination camps. By I forgot. The Left only whines about separation of church and state when it isn’t their atheocratic propaganda being taught to their future victims.

        Where did the constitution stipulate freedom from religion? You don’t know what you are babbling about. Furthermore, religion isn’t being “imposed” unless children are being forced to join…like the Muslims do to anyone who isn’t Muslim, that is that they don’t kill.

        Marxists and Muslims shouldn’t be allowed to hold office in the US, elected or otherwise. They believe in ideologies that are inherently hostile and intent on overthrowing and destroying representative nations. Any Muslim government is essentially a theocracy and any Marxist government an atheocracy. Both are antithetical to our constitution. Of course, you don’t believe in the constitution anyway. It is just a leverage point for a false argument.

        • Harry Black

          Spoken like a true authoritarian. Freedom from religion means not being excluded from public office because of your religion and not being forced to sit through a prayer or other religious ceremony in a public school or other public space. Clearly you haven’t read article one of the Bill of Rights.

          • truebearing

            No, spoken like someone who understands Marxism and Islam, and who recognizes that the constitution also provided solutions for traitors and enemies.

            “Freedom from religion means not being excluded from public office because of your religion and not being forced to sit through a prayer or other religious ceremony in a public school or other public space.”

            If a religion seeks to destroy the constitution, then your religion doesn’t deserve constitutional protection. It is a seditious religion and the survival of the republic necessitates that adherents to that religion be dealt with appropriately. The constitution can’t be held as a weapon against itself. That was never the framer’s intent.

            Secondly, your whining about being forced to sit through a prayer is pathetic. That isn’t forcing you to join anything, nor is it creating state religion. Marxism is religion and state in one. Islam is a theocracy.

            When a religion expressly states that overthrowing all countries in a lust for world domination, a nation has not only a right but a duty to label that religion/ideology hostile and an existential threat. Only a complete moron would argue that a criminal, political or otherwise, that openly admits to planning to commit a crime, deserves to be allowed to do so. You are that complete moron, apparently.

          • Harry Black

            Apparently my post has your knickers in a twist Truebearing. Untwist them by asking yourself who decides which religion is ipso facto seditious? For centuries, anti-Semites unfailingly described Judaism as seditious. Perhaps you are aware of where that prejudice led.

          • truebearing

            Stupidity combined with dishonesty always irritates me, so of course any of your drivel is bound to annoy me.

            A religion that makes world domination its ultimate goal is ipso facto seditious. Both marxism and Islam are transnationalist religions that seek totalitarian control of the world. They are both in stark opposition to our constitution and democratic republic. They are both by nature and design insurgent religions that seek to destroy the economic system and dominant religion in any country. Neither is shy about their goals, and since you are a commie, you already know that. Don’t play your childish games with me.

            We aren’t talking about what happened in past centuries. We are talking about what is happening right now. I know you aren’t intellectually capable of thinking outside of false, and lame, equivalencies, but you will have to try to now, or expose yourself as the intellectual fraud that you truly are. Oooops. Too late.

          • Harry Black

            Oh yawn. And since you are such a fan of democracy, what are you doing to stop the Koch Brothers from turning the US into an oligarchy or securing for minorities and the residents of Washington, DC, the right to vote?

          • hrwolfe

            Forced to sit through a prayer, Oh my Gosh!!! the humanities but forced to sit through ad nausea Greening and Solar and Eco this n that but mention God and your ears are burning to the point of intolerance. All I can say is that it did not harm the Country for the first 175 years and where the heck has it gone since, not that well. It is indisputable part of American heritage and nobody ever made you participate. Who was excluded from public office because of their lack of religion?

          • Harry Black

            The first amendment forbids the imposition of religious belief. Violating the Constitution for 175 years does not justify continuing to violate it. Or perhaps like so many Tea Party zombies, you believe the Constitution applies only when it suits you.

          • cjleete

            You are obviously in a match of wits armed only with a can of spray paint and a bucket of manure, while the other side has actual history on their side. You continuously use ad-hominem attacks which is a sign of a losing argument.

          • Harry Black

            “. . . while the other side has actual history on their side.” I think you mean “its side.” No need for an “ad hominem attack”–your own words demonstrate the weakness of your argument. The Constitution is not on your side.

          • truebearing

            “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people”. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any
            other.”
            – John Adams

            If you don’t like what Adams said, get out.

          • Harry Black

            Being religious and moral and having the state force religion down your throat are two different things. The Founding Fathers were Episcopalians (Washington), Congregationalists (Adams), Deists (Jefferson), etc. They abhorred the idea of a state religion and promoted religious freedom, which is more than can be said of the wingnut Islamophobes omnipresent on this list.

          • Hass

            Why do you call people “Wingnut Islamophobes”?

            Do you really think they dislike Islam for no reason?
            Remember, they dislike Islam, not Muslims.

          • Guess

            How many times do you need to be told? Pathetic Righties.

            Because you all need a “Bogey Man”!

          • 1Indioviejo1

            The “Bogey Man” is in the White House while his wife “Sasquatch” is in China.

          • Harry Black

            Typical FP racist comment. It should remind you of the root of the conservative demonization of Obama.

          • truebearing

            The only ones trying to shove their religion down anyone’s throats are the Marxists and the Muslims. I didn’t say we should have a state religion, but I sure don’t accept your idiotic definition.

            Jefferson changed his tune radically once he was elected as president. He sent troops to attack the Barbary Pirates without notifying Congress he was so intent on ending Muslim attacks and kidnappings.

            I guess you support Muslims stoning women or beheading homosexuals. You should move to Iran.

          • Harry Black

            Jefferson attacked the Barbary Pirates not because of their religion but because they were attacking US shipping. That he failed to notify Congress of his actions simply demonstrates that like so many politicians before and since he was an opportunist and probably a sociopath. As far as my supporting Muslims stoning women, etc. I support nothing of the kind. I also don’t support Christians staging Auto-da-fes or practicing bigamy or forced conversion.

          • truebearing

            The Muslims were attacking our ships, and those of European nations, and enslaving those on the ships. Estimates are that they kidnapped and enslaved a million people. They committing these acts in accordance with the teachings of Islam, so indirectly, Jefferson was attacking them because of they were following their religion.

            “I also don’t support Christians staging Auto-da-fes or practicing bigamy or forced conversion.”

            Find me the verse in the Gospel that supports any of those things. The Inquistion wasn’t a manifestation of Christian teachings. Kidnapping and enslaving the infidel is encouraged in the Koran.

          • Harry Black

            The Gospels have been used to justify all kinds of atrocities. Ditto the Koran. But please cite the verses in the Koran that justify kidnapping and slavery.

          • Guess

            Well said!

          • Drakken

            I can see your going to be one of the first leftist lined against that wall in the near future, and you on the left will richly deserve it.

          • Harry Black

            Rather unamerican of you, don’t you think–to kill someone because their opinions differ from yours. That’s the good old fascist way–and your two supporters (so far) suggest how many would-be Hitler Youth lurk FP and on the US right generally.

          • truebearing

            Your Dear Leader, Hussein Obama is a fascist, not that you actually know the definition of the term.

          • Harry Black

            Since you know “the definition of the term,” explain precisely how President Obama “is a fascist.” He is, as far as I can tell, a centrist. It was, after all, that leftist Richard Nixon, who wanted to give the US single-payer health care. Not a bad idea come to think of it.

          • truebearing

            When Obama first took office, he usurped control over private enterprises, GM and Chrysler, and stole money from secured bondholders, which was illegal. He gave Chrysler to Fiat, though he didn’t own it. he gave the union’s an ewuity position in GM though he didn’t have the authority. That was textbook fascism.

            Obama’s failed “Venture Socialism” in the solar industry is another example of the government trying to create an industry with tax revenues and compete with other energy producers, like coal, which he is driving out of business. Fascism 101.

            That is just two of many examples.

            Obama is a centrist? That is laughable. Maybe to a Maoist.

            What’s wrong Harry? Wasn’t the abject failure of Marxism in the 20th Century enough for you? Weren’t the 100,000,000 plus democides by “utopian” leftist regimes enough killing for you? China had to implement crony capitalism to save the communist rule. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of Marxist idiocy. The Castros finally were forced to allow some capitalism “to save the revolution.” Yet here you are, still trying to prove that the square wheel is superior to the round. Typical half-wit leftist that can’t learn from past mistakes.

          • Harry Black

            Hi there “truebearing.” I’m growing tired correcting your illiterate rants. It was George W. Bush who initiated the GM and Chrysler bailouts. Moreover, Obama had nothing to do with the Fiat-Chrysler merger. takeover. But please don’t let the facts interrupt your paranoid fantasies.

          • Drakken

            The time for niceties and pleasantries with the left has now come and gone. Our country and our feckless leadership has brought this great country to its knees and you think it can continue. The left has moved the goal posts so far left that anything right of Lenin is now considered to be racist, fascist and right wing, well reap what you have sowed Sparky because you goddamned leftist have brought this upon yourselves. We will no longer give into you leftist because you shout a naughty word at us.

          • Harry Black

            “Our country and our feckless leadership has brought this great country to its knees.” Nothing like the logic of the right!

          • Drakken

            We are beyond a war of words boy, logic and leftist in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

          • liberalism is a mental illness

            I think he is implying killing traitors not people who’s opinion differs from others you f*cking tool.

          • Harry Black

            For folks like you, anyone who disagrees with you is a traitor. That is, as I say, the fascist way.

          • truebearing

            You don’t know the definition of fascist.

            You Commies killed over 100,000,000 people who lived in Marxist “utopias” in the 20th Century, all for disagreeing with the abject stupidity of marxism.

          • Harry Black

            Puhlease. Anyone who disagrees with you is a “commie.” You don’t know the meaning of that word either.

          • Drakken

            History is never kind to traitors and the weak.

          • Harry Black

            You’re such a big strong patriot Drakken! I can see it now: ecstatic crowds acknowledging your strength, hailing your wisdom, admiring your unparalleled love of country. You’re a hero Drakken! History will be so kind to you! And to think, those crowds are celebrating a narrow-minded little man with an angry red face hunched over his computer dashing off barely literate screeds trying to stem the barbarian horde of leftist “traitors,” who voted for Obama and who somehow fail to acknowledge the wisdom of your carefully thought out conservative beliefs.

          • liberalism is a mental illness

            You really read things wrong bud. Not anyone who disagrees with me is a traitor. A traitor is someone who betrays their own natio and/or their own people which is exactly what the left is doing to the majority of tpeople in the western world if not the whole world. And furthermore neither of the two scenarios have ANYTHING to with fascism you crazy leftard!! The left is trying to force a system upon people which not only failed many many times already and is a system nobody wants. That is traitorous.

          • Harry Black

            Before you claim the left is foisting a system “nobody wants,” check the polls. The majority of Americans want social security, want less income polarization, want everyone to have access to healthcare, etc. That’s why a majority of Americans voted for Obama rather than his clueless opponent. What was his name again?

          • liberalism is a mental illness

            Wrong again leftard. The polls don’t reflect whether or not people want America to be socialist or not. Ask anybody but a leftard studying fine art or political science at the University of Whatever if they want a socialist America and they’ll unanimously so NO!! GET A JOB LEFTARD!!

          • Harry Black

            You conservatives along with J. Edgar Hoover and Rush Limbaugh have taught the American people to hate socialism in the abstract, but when polled, the American people like piecemeal socialism which consists of such measures as unemployment insurance, SNAP, Social Security, Medicare, etc. When the Ayn and Paul Randian dog-eat-dog capitalism you conservatives espouse rears its very ugly head, the American people think it an abomination. So conservatives try to hide their longing for the good old days of President McKinley when life expectancy was under 50 and children toiled 12 or more hours a day in cotton mills. On a more personal note: I’ve been gainfully employed since the age of 17. I doubt you could say the same.

          • Harry Black

            So the American left is traitorous because it is betraying “the majority of the people of the in the western world if not the whole world.” Somehow that doesn’t compute. Pressing for “a system nobody wants” is traitorous. So if I’m say a socialist and I belong to the Democratic Socialists of American (DSA) I’m ipso facto a traitor and should be shot for my beliefs? Perhaps you have in mind all those Americans who voted for Obama–that would be the majority btw. I beginning to have the impression you really do think like a fascist Mr. Mental Illness.

          • liberalism is a mental illness

            Wrong again leftard. Again. Belonging to the DSA or voting for Obama doesn’t make you a traitor. Betraying your nation and/or people is traitorous. Get it straight!! I’m glad I’m not a leftard. Oh and again nothing I said has anything to do with fascism.

          • Harry Black

            So why exactly am I going to be shot for being a traitor? I’ve done nothing more than express my political views. I voted for Obama. I espouse socialism (as does the DSA). Isn’t that what leftists do? And doesn’t that add up to betraying their country in your view? Or to put it differently (so that perhaps you will finally understand): you say the American left is betraying the country if not the world, but when confronted with the sort of things leftists like myself do (espouse socialism, join socialist organizations, etc.), you say I’m not a traitor. Please explain. Can I look forward to being shot by your fascist vigilantes or not?

          • liberalism is a mental illness

            Trying to have a conversation with a leftard is like trying to have a conversation with a schizophrenic!! Nothing I said has anything to do with fascism. You are a traitor.You’re going to get shot not by a fascist vigilante but by an American soldier, an angry citizen when all hell breaks loose or by somebody else.. I don’t know who’s going to do it!!. History shows thats traitors don’t get treated well when war breaks out.You’re like a dog running out onto a highway begging to not get run over for your beliefs. Get it now??

          • Guest

            That’s not what truebearing said. Read his post again. Btw, “who’s” should be whose.

          • truebearing

            You read it again, moron. Maybe you’ll learn something, as unlikely as that is.

          • Drakken

            When you leftards run the country into the ground, it isn’t going to matter what name you call me, for you are too weak and stupid for your own good, let Darwin have his due.

          • Harry Black

            You’re on a roll Drakken. So smart, so incisive! Darwin did not believe human society should follow the law of the jungle. That was left to the Social Darwinists, apologists for the Robber Barons and today’s neo-Robber Barons like the Koch Bros. It’s not the left that will run the country into the ground, but the Koch Bros. and their ilk who are right now using their fortune to turn a democracy into an oligarchy. You’re doing their work Drakken. I hope they pay you for your exemplary literary effort.

          • liberalism is a mental illness

            You sure that it’s not Katy Perry and/or Taylor Swift who is/are running the show? I’d love it if Katy Perry were president!! At least she’s a real pop star not like Obama.

          • liberalism is a mental illness

            He didn’t say he was going to put you up against a wall but rather you are going to end up against a wall as a consequence for your actions. Just like a dog running out onto a road it will get run over by a car!! It’s not fascist. It is what is it is.

          • Harry Black

            In other words, if you or your pals shoot me for my beliefs, it’s not because you’re fascists, it’s because my belief in a better future for all Americans makes me a traitor..

        • chuckr

          truebearing …..VERY well said….bravo

      • Judahlevi

        Conservatives do not have a “theocratic agenda.”

        That is a leftist canard which demonstrates clearly your bias and lack of an objective argument.

        • Harry Black

          Uh, you might take a closer look at the conservative movement. And while you’re at it check out the implicit, and often explicit, anti-Semitism of the religious right.

          • Judahlevi

            Frankly, I find much more explicit and implicit anti-Semitism from the left.

            As for the right taking over the country to establish a theocracy, this is almost as conspiratorial as those who believed that George W. Bush took down the World Trade Centers himself on 9-11.

            One last fact, the “religious right”are some of Israel’s most enthusiastic supporters. How is this “anti-Semitic?”

            You may want to look at the left more closely. If you do, you won’t like what you see.

          • Harry Black

            Yeah, the religious right LOVES Jews. Of course. But check out “Anti-Semitism: Its prevalence within the Christian right” by Skipp Porteous. Google Skipp Porteous and anti-semitism.

          • truebearing

            Uh, who supports Israel, dullard? Conservatives. Who supports the Palestinians who want to kill all Israelis? The Left.

            Who mass murdered millions of Jews in WWII? Hitler, a socialist fan of Marx.

            Who protests Israel and attacks Jews on college campuses all over America? Leftists. No conservatives in sight.

            You’re completely full of toro caca.

          • Harry Black

            As I recall, Hitler’s big enemy was Bolshevism. Marx never figured in his writing. But go ahead and call those who know more than you “dullards.” Abuse is the method of the fearful and ignorant.. And you are ignorant of the extent of conservative anti-Semitism.

          • American Patriot

            Actually, Hitler opposed Bolshevism mainly because he disagreed with its internationalism. Remember that the Nazis called themselves National-Socialists. In fact, the full name of the Nazi Party in Germany was the National Socialist German Workers Party. The chief difference between the Nazis and the Communists was the issue of nationalism vs. internationalism. Other than that, most of the policies (especially regarding economics) of the two totalitarian regimes were almost identical. The radical left today doesn’t want to acknowledge those facts.

          • cjleete

            Anti-Semitism is a platform of Black Liberation theology, which is subscribed to by… (a cookie if you get it right the first time)

      • Disapp

        Amendment number 1:

        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

        • Harry Black

          Bravo! You actually figured out how to find the text on the web.

          • cjleete

            I suppose the part “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” made you uncomfortable and defensive.

          • Harry Black

            “Free exercise thereof” is different from forcing your religion on me in public school or the public square.

        • tagalog

          Note the “Congress” part…

      • liberalism is a mental illness

        “Theocratic agenda” What you been smokin buddy??

  • snit3

    It seems that all the contributors to this delusional tome are benefiting handsomely from their life-long efforts to incite violent revolution. I’m afraid they’d be terribly disappointed if their “imaginings” were ever to materialize, and they found themselves harvesting beets.

    • tagalog

      It would be interesting to see, if the socialist revolution they seem to be pining for ever came about, how many of them would escape being placed in prison or some labor camp for being counterrevolutionaries.

      Oh wait, of course none of them would, because the revolution they want would free all the political prisoners, so of course they would never lose their freedom just for being enemies of the state.

  • KyraNelson

    I think Ms Goldin should invite Mumia Abu Jamal over to her house. Then she’ll begin to understand him better.

    • CapitalistPig

      That’s suggested often——“OK, we’ll turn loose these convicted child/violent sex offenders, put em in treatment & locate em in a halfway house/out patient treatment centers—located right next to the homes & families of the ACLU lawyers & liberals who want them turned loose.

  • Sniper’s Oath

    Book shows end game for “The Progressive Virus” and why we need to stand HARD KNOW, or not ever! #pvfighters Communism has returned.

  • tagalog

    So, let me see if I have the vision of these people properly understood:

    In the socialist world they foresee, which will be achieved by some sort of violent revolution (which evidently won’t require any costs to repair the damage therefrom, or rounding up and imprisoning of political enemies since that’s so wrong), we will have the following:

    1. a good health plan;

    2. lots of sex;

    3. feminism;

    4. education of children to be revolutionaries, using “mind-blowing” ideas. Is there going to be a class of people charged with coming up with those fancy ideas?

    What if once the kids learn revolution, they decide that what the country needs is a fascist revolution?

    I guess if you throw in the Marxian ideas, we’ll be hunting in the morning and fishing in the afternoon as well. I didn’t see any target shooting in there anywhere, or hiking just for the joy of it. So, is that it? That’s the socialist vision of life after the Marxian revolution? Just hanging around after that hunting and fishing making the beast with two backs with the feminists and getting whatever medical care you need afterward, then revolting whenever you feel oppressed?

    I’m not all that interested in hunting, fishing, or getting lucky, and my revolutionary days are over. And I’m a guy, so feminism just doesn’t have any visceral draw for me. Also, I teach, but not “mind-blowing” ideas, just regular ones.

    Personally, I prefer things as they are, and, although I’m pretty old and not as physically fit as I once was, I’d fight to keep things this way.

  • tagalog

    I find it interesting that they use the H.L. Mencken term “booboisie” for the bourgeoisie, which is, of course, the most revolutionary class in history and a heck of a lot smarter than they give it credit for being. I think they mistake “Victorian” for “bourgeois.” And of course, Victorianism wasn’t anywhere near as dumb as they would like to think either.

  • tagalog

    Rather than live in a world the entire conception for which involves hunting in the morning, fishing in the afternoon, having relations with feminists a lot, getting universal health care after that experience, and teaching the kids “mind-blowing” ideas that will lead them to revolution, I’d fight.
    Wouldn’t you? In fact, I bet there a lot of socialists who would fight for the status quo over that.

  • wileyvet

    This is precisely why the left is obsessed about gun control. The intelligentsia of the left will not want to get their hands dirty themselves, but incite the ignorant Occupy types to wreak havoc, while they watch from their university offices as the Glorious Revolution unfolds. They have seemingly been unstoppable over the last 100 years when it has been an intellectual and cultural war. However if they choose an actual physical confrontation with the American people, they will finally get their comeuppance in the ensuing bloodbath of their making. Then the leaders themselves can be hunted down and summarily executed like their hero Che used to do, but not before being told what vile traitorous scum they are. A taste of their own medicine is exactly what they deserve, no quarter given, that they’ll actually long for the days of Senator Joe McCarthy.

  • CapitalistPig

    Maybe this will become socialism’s book version of “Reefer Madness”. A serious 1930s movie that was made to promote the idea of pot prohibition but was so preposterously over the top untrue that it was later screened as an anti-prohibition film in the 60s & 70s.

  • http://geoffreybritain.wordpress.com/ Geoffrey_Britain

    All ‘isms’ of the left, to one degree or another, reject fundamental aspects of reality.

  • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

    Ron Radosh observes that Old and New Left have now merged. Didn’t that happen long ago with Popular Front politics, and already existent isolationism/anti-imperialism among some among the US Protestant elite? See http://clarespark.com/2012/07/19/communist-ideas-go-mainstream/. “Communists ideas go mainstream.” I do agree that the current administration has not gone whole-hog communist, at least not yet.

    • tagalog

      The New Left claimed to have rejected the Old Left in the 1960s.

      Although the abjuration was exaggerated to make leftism palatable to the general public. It seems to have worked. I can’t believe how many people find leftism desirable in the 21st Century in the USA.

  • iluvisrael

    Socialism is like those people you had dinner with in a restaurant. They ate and drank much more than everyone else, then insist on splitting the check equally.

  • Drakken

    You forgot one very important thing in your letter above. It is in our European DNA to Conquer and Kill, we have become weak, decadent and self loathing in the west, but as true of all things, nature always finds a way, and that way will burst its way to the fore front soon enough as things go from bad to worse. Every one thought the Serbs were/are ruthless blood thirsty creatures and everyone feared them. The tipping point has been reached, it will now take someone to push the whole rotten mess over to kick off the Balkans on steroids, that will without question, start with a brutal vengeance. Every muslim and immigrant from the 3rd world will soon be fleeing in absolute terror as to what is coming. The inner city ghetto’s will burn and a long repressed hatred will be unleashed. So don’t throw the Europeans under the bus quite yet, for the stories will soon be told around a 10,000 campfires for a 1,000 years.

  • Fudge

    Psstt. We already are.

  • IssacAdamBurke

    It is time to give the socialist totalitarians what they want: a socialist country of their own in North America they can loot and despoil to their heart’s content. I’m serious. America is being ruled by traitors, criminals and the socialists’ useful fools.
    It is time to get them from among us conservatives and libertarians. More and more people recognize we need a separation, hopefully a peaceful one. They are not us and we are not them. We conservatives and libertarians have had enough. We have wasted enough time and money fighting one another.
    Here’s a logical, workable new alignment of US states and Canadian provinces to form 2 new North American countries, one socialist, one conservative:
    The Socialist Country – Ontario eastward in Canada. Plus, ME NH VT MA CT RI NY NJ PA DE MD DC MI WI MN IA and southern IL IN and OH in the USA. 135 million citizens.
    The Conservative Country – Western Canada with the rest of western and southern America. 235 million citizens.
    The immediate advantage for conservatives is it removes the bulk of socialist voters and the socialist heartland off to the new country – so that conservatives and libertarians will be a definite majority in The Conservative Country. This will end the vicious struggle for control that has plagued the USA for 100 years now. For socialists the happy benefit is no effective opposition to creating their new Utopia on Earth. Let the two visions compete and let’s see what happens.
    If you agree with this premise, start contacting the state officials and influencers in the states that would be in the new Conservative Country and encourage them to begin taking steps to make our separation a reality.
    As we prepare for separation, we can begin drafting a New Constitution that will help The Conservative Country to end the great majority of the ills now crippling the USA. For example, maybe it would be best for the federal government not to interfere with the economy. Doing so corrupts and cripples the country.

  • Rosasolis

    Can you remember that not so long ago the people of East-European
    countries had
    more than enough of their Socialist-Communist governments, and they
    tore down the Berlin Wall, and got rid of ALL those corrupt governments….
    Most of these East-European countries have since become dedicated members of the European Union.
    And now the president of one of the greatest so-called ” Free-countries” –America–
    wants to force your country to exist under this very backward 19th C.
    way of life! Socialism means stagnation and forcing a country to become
    weak and dependant. When this goal is achieved, then it will lead to Communism
    and a dictator to lead it! Look at what has happened to Venezuela!
    If you are worried about the future of America, you could help and support
    American Spring MAY 16th 2014. Thousands of Americans are expected to
    take part in this great demonstration in Washington. I wish I could be there.
    But I wish you lots of success with your plans. For more information contact:
    Patriots for America – Ning
    Stand up America Maj.Gen. Paul Lallevy

  • KyraNelson

    Guys like him love to beat and rape elderly white women. It’s like caviar to them

    • CapitalistPig

      And those same libs who defend these idiots are against crony socialism government unless it’s for green scams, want high priced wind energy but don’t want windmills in sight of their homes–or public housing built near their neighborhoods–“Do as I say–not as I do” should be the motto of the modern day liberal.

  • Wolfthatknowsall

    Ismail, I appreciate greatly what you’ve said, and the solutions to this problem that you’ve given. About five years ago, I would have said that what you said was extreme, and would not have supported it. Today, I am the extremist.

    I am reminded of what Barry Goldwater said in his acceptance speech, at the 1964 Republican Convention (I was there with my father, who was a delegate):

    “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no
    vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of
    justice is no virtue!”

    These principles can easily be applied to the current situation, in our once-great nation.

  • Shibes Meadow

    The only solution that works is the Franco Solution.

  • pupsncats

    Know thy enemy.

    Another book about the glories of Socialism? Nothing new under the sun. Its proponents rehash the same garbage. Its a stuck record.

    Fools are born every day. Unfortunately, the world has more of them with more power, money, and thus influence than at other times in history. Or not.

  • PhillipGaley

    So interesting, your opening with: “Karl Marx, who, aside from that one famous sentence that when the communist golden age was finally reached, men would hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon and relax at night, never wrote anything about how the communist future would actually work or what it would look like.”.

    Although neither Marx, nor any of the Am Indians knew each other, as with things of a common ontological or spiritual level, heathenism is without respect of person, or politics. One old chief spoke to the same effect: “We had it made, the women did all the work, hunting and fishing all day, come back to the village to dinner and then sex all night, . . . the white man messed it all up.”.

  • Dallas25305

    A Socialist U.S.A. Your living in it. Everything President Hussein Obama has done is Socialism and the worst is yet to come.

  • http://socialistparty-usa.net/ Actual Socialist

    Just wait until an actual Socialist runs for public office…

  • http://imaginelivinginasocialistusa.com/ imaginesocialism booksite

    Read excerpts from the book before deciding: http://imaginelivinginasocialistusa.com/
    Official website of the book.