Bill O’Reilly Is Wrong: Jay-Z Is Worthy of America’s Respect

120907_LF_jayz.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-largeCount me as a fan of the divergent brands of Fox News, hip-hop and Jay-Z. Growing up in the Bronx, New York in the 1980s and 1990s, a product of the New York City public school system, hip-hop is in my blood. It has changed my life for the better, as the hip-hop lifestyle teaches so many important American values. From the importance of rising up no matter what your circumstances, to constantly working hard and seeking more and more, to personal responsibility, there are so many hip-hop values that all Americans – including political conservatives – must appreciate. 

As CEO of a leading New York PR agency, we have represented countless hip-hop artists, including Sean “Diddy” Combs, Ice-Cube, Snoop Dogg and others — and it’s been a great experience. 

As readers of FrontPage Magazine know, I am a proud conservative – for many reasons. Foremost among those reasons is the fact that I shouldn’t be penalized tax-wise for my success. No one gave me anything.  As a conservative, it is evident that the media are often liberally-biased and Fox News, the fair and balanced network, has eliminated liberal bias from at least one station.  Yet, too often conservatives are out of touch with youth culture, and a perfect example of that is overlooking the countless ways that hip-hop has made America a better country. 

Bill O’Reilly’s perpetual attacks upon the hip-hop industry are wrong and misguided. This week, O’Reilly confronted Valerie Jarret, a senior advisor to President Obama, on-air as they were discussing Obama’s new “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative, which seeks to help minorities find role models. O’Reilly said, “You’re gonna have to get people like Jay-Z, alright, Kanye West, all of these gangsta rappers to knock it off. That’s number one.” He continued, saying that young males idolize “these guys with the hats on backwards” and “terrible rap lyrics,” and that these “gangsta rappers” and “tattoo guys” need to speak to kids and tell them that they’ve “got to stop the disruptive behavior or you’re going to wind up in a morgue or in prison.” 

O’Reilly continually speaks negatively about hip-hop, and inaccurately claimed that Jay-Z and Kanye West were “gangster rappers.” They aren’t. While Jay-Z made many mistakes growing up – as a drug dealer he undoubtedly hurt many people — none of us are perfect. The man is tremendously influential and has shown so many of us how to overcome adversity and become successful. With sheer determination, Jay-Z has succeeded as a world-class entrepreneur, and demonstrated how self-confidence, passion and a strong work ethic can allow anyone in this great country to get anywhere. 

At times, as an entertainer, Jay-Z curses and is inappropriate. “The Terminator” was inappropriate as well, as were other characters played by Arnold Schwarzenegger in countless movies. Indeed, there are PG-13 and R-rated movies and actors. But the real life of Jay-Z today is parental-encouraged, and worthy of being viewed by all. People should watch and learn from Jay-Z. 

Neither Jay-Z nor Kanye West are “gangster rappers” and the fact that they may wear their hats backwards, and may have tattoos, doesn’t say anything more about them today than the clothing style of someone wearing a suit says about that person. Marc Zuckerberg, Jan Koum of Whats App and many others have non-traditional viewpoints on corporate rules and how to dress. Whether it’s a hoodie, or someone with a tattoo, people cannot be defined by how they dress or what they look like. 

So often, hip-hop represents the greatness of America – opportunity, risk-taking, thinking outside of the box — and Jay-Z is at the forefront of that movement. Hip-hop embraces entrepreneurship and a culture of self-sufficiency. As the American business icon Warren Buffett said:

“Jay is teaching in a lot bigger classroom than I’ll ever teach in. They’re going to learn from somebody. For a young person growing up he’s the guy to learn from.”

From becoming one of the world’s most recognizable artists, to investing in professional sports teams, cosmetics brands, restaurants and much more, Jay-Z shows first-hand the results and importance of hard-work, responsibility, and risk-taking. Jay-Z’s values today are of a family man who is the face of major American brands – married to one of the most beautiful, charismatic artists of our time. He has taught so many of us to strive for more, to work hard at what we love. Jay-Z is worth $475 million dollars according to Forbes Magazine and is still going. For so many Americans, myself included, Jay-Z is worthy of our immense respect. As a grown man, Jay-Z is a business role model for so many people.  (His political viewpoints, on the other hand, leave a lot to be desired.) 

Mr. O’Reilly: Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.  As Jay-Z said, “I’m not a businessman, I’m a business, man.” Jay-Z’s business skills show so many Americans that even if we aren’t Ivy League graduates, we can still succeed in a major way. 

P.S.: For those who will disagree with this article, I will offer this qualifier: As a marketer and a father, I agree with what NBA legend Charles Barkley said in his famous Nike commercial:

“I am not a role model. I am not paid to be a role model. Parents should be role models. Just because I can dunk a basketball doesn’t mean I should raise your kids.”

Amen. 

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  • Chris Wallace

    Amen! Conservative right wingers have to accept different viewpoints. LOVE JAY Z!

    • cleodiousjackson

      cant you just visualize yo momma twerking for a bunch of rapperz

  • Chris Wallace

    AMEN! More divergent GOP views are needed

    • NAHALKIDES

      Right – the way to success is to start calling women “ho’s” and calling for random violence, especially against the police and white people. That will truly make the GOP a successful “big tent” party.

  • Bryce Armstrong

    Conservatives are THE most pathetic group of shamless pandering defeatest losers I’ve ever seen. You sicken me.

    • truebearing

      You were already sick.

  • Infidel

    So, what next an ode to George Soros’ business skills? Jay Z supports the destroyer of America, Obama. He also jumped on the “how dare someone defend themselves from the thug Trayvon” bandwagon. Diversity is easy when one jettisons standards, such as music standards.

    • kikorikid

      …and Islam is a religion of peace, and the only racists are White,
      …ad nauseum…

  • truebearing

    I can’t stand hip-hop. I consider it a blight upon popular music. It is also a negative cultural trend. Glorifying drugs, gangs, violence, racism, misogyny and extreme narcissism, it is as negative an influence as heavy metal.

    Al Capone made a lot of money too. Should we celebrate his success because he was ambitious?

    • Muhammahg

      You don’t like hiphop, so therefore everyone else shouldn’t like it. Do you watch TV or listen to music at all? That’s what the world has become.
      Jay Z is showing a whole new generation of people how to succeed. Not just in money, through working hard. Through taking risks. His politics suck – but unlike the left we shouldn’t hate our fellow Americans.

      • joe

        Truebearing clearly stated “I can’t stand hip-hop.” How can you infer from that that he hates a fellow American? Using your logic, all dissent is inappropriate because “you” dictate that disagreement is hateful.

        • Benny Shab

          Amazing that those who “hate hip-hop” go instantly to race relations. Hiphop isnt about black or white. Its an attitude of success of growth. Mark Zuckberberg is hiphop with his hoody on.
          Jay Z is a role model and a hero.

          • DaCoachK

            Hip-hop’s only claim to fame is telling young males to wear their pants on their thighs. It is a drive-by culture worthy of little more than scorn. It doesn’t take much talent to steal someone’s hook and throw profanity-laced, simplistic and elementary poetry over the top of it. Art? No.

          • joe

            Gosh, you’re so very “avant garde”. In fact, you’re so avant garde, you’ll be among the first to pitch over the cliff into the dystopian abyss. Have fun in your immoral free fall. You might try getting a clue instead of obsessing over how to be mindless and cool.

          • cleodiousjackson

            blah blah blah,

          • bob smith

            “Amazing that those who “hate hip-hop” go instantly to race relations.:

            Excuse me? Please kindly reference whereby anyone did just that?

            Do you enjoy the race-baiting game?

          • Llewellyn Andrew

            Not sure how Hip Hop and rap, in part created by Mexican and American gangs, could lift and improve the world when the message it send is a destructive one. No, he is not a hero, he is a unrepentant thug who used his ill goten gains to elevate himself. Real heroes do not marginalise woman, encourage men to become raping thugs and spread a message of violence and hate. He admits he built his success on the skills he learnt from selling drugs, wow, what a role model.

          • laura r

            business is businness. you can learn more in the streets than harvard business school.

          • Llewellyn Andrew

            So is selling drugs(death) a ligitimate business in your opinion?

            I wonder how many lives he helped to destroy to be able to be so successfull? Why are these common thugs elevated with so much respect? Why is it that poor music sung by a man who devalues woman is deemed more important than the well being of our neighbours?

          • laura r

            what i mean is selling “product” of any kind teaches people how to interact. im not saying good product or bad product it was the concept. i dont think he devalues women, he has good marriage & a child. they are a team, work & create together. im not crazy about some of his lyrics, or the message either.

          • sam

            you’ve clearly never listened to hip hop outside the radio. Do some research. Just this year you can look into Kendrick Lamar if you want to find a good example of how he portrays women. You can also look at Pharrell’s group N.E.R.D. They always taught me to be a strong independent woman. I am never degraded by hip hop because I understand it. Its funny if you just take the chance to understand something from someone else’s point of you how much you can actually learn about the culture you live in.

            Its also extremely apparent in modern hip hop that no one promotes violence, its actually quite the opposite. Which is why this hip hop movement is often referred to as a more psychedelic movement similar to what rock experience in the 60’s.

          • Carmic

            How is he a hero and role model?

          • laura r

            jayz is 1000% more honest than zuckerburg, & less dangerous by far. this mark is really a threat.

          • Llewellyn Andrew

            The very fact that men like JZ is praised for producing what can simply be called sludge surely shows how much America has descended down the drain.

          • laura r

            jayz is 1000% more honest than zuckerburg, & less dangerous by far. this mark is really a threat.

      • Gee

        I believe that you leaped from A – M and invented everything in between.
        He said he didn’t like it and his reasons. No place did he state how anybody else should feel.

      • truebearing

        Anymore non sequitur concusions you’d like to share? I’m not naive enough to think that because I don’t like something, no one else can, or will. And who said anything about hating anyone? It seems to me that was your irrational conclusion.

      • Truth77

        All hip hop isn’t like that, listen to underground hip hop.

        • laura r

          these people are too mainstream to even know how or where to access that. most dont like black music, or would “get” spoken word. they know about duckcalls, las vegas lounge, middle level white stuff.

      • Just a thought

        You Obviously have not seen what crack does to unborn children.
        It’s an awful thing to watch a newborn go through the craving and shakes. Please to talk about Jay z teaching people how to succeed and for Mr Torossian Everyone does not make mistakes like that. Some mistakes are not really mistakes there choices to destroy the lives of countless people with crack cocaine is a choice!

    • laura r

      al capone killed a zillion people, not the same.

    • drightone

      Well, a lot of people back then did celebrate the violence he caused and looked up to him.

  • Mike

    B.S. Every bit of it. Good marketing though… nearly as bad as the average shyster..

  • wileyvet

    But I thought America was a racist intolerant country, where no black man has a chance unless supported by the government. How did he do it? When a black liberal man succeeds and makes a fortune, he is not greedy, but rather exceptionally gifted. When a white conservative man makes a fortune, he is a robber baron, undeserving of his fortune, as it was founded on the backs of minorities and the poor. I don’t feel this way, but that is the canard of the race hucksters in America. Just pointing this out. Congratulations to Jay Z, for making as much as he can. If a man can use his talents, whatever they may be, combined with desire and hard work he deserves every penny, and should be able to keep as much of it as possible. Capitalism is a wonderful thing isn’t it? You change your life, then you can change and inspire others along the way. That is how America achieved its wealth and prosperity, through individual initiative supported by individual liberty,not food stamps, and other sundry government programs and a culture of dependency in a Welfare State.

    • laura r

      well said! that’s the point of the artical. the far left, & the jealous far right are the same animal. jealous hateful spiteful. repress blame judge envy. jayz did it on hisown, no inherited wealth. so he sold some drugs when he was young, so what? he never stopped writting, & had a focus. hes not a role model or a god, just a guy from brooklyn who became a multi level businessman. has a family, a life. so he has a dirty mouth, no more than the average frontpage truth revolt commenter.

  • Mikey A

    I just LOVE his wife. Can I take her?

    • Elizabeth Cape Cod

      She seems to be available for the right price.

      • Shmalkandik

        She has sold her soul and gotten a very good price. A wealthy woman in her own right, she has married a wealthy man. When she drops him for another, the share of his assets she collects – a process known as cashectomy – will be a considerable chunk of change. Pity of it is, she actually can sing, and is a strikingly attractive female; but has diverted her gifts to support of a debased, vicious culture. In contrast, and for the life of me, I do not see her current husband’s talents or value.

        I guess they are well matched.

        • laura r

          mind your businsess their marriage is private. the “pity” is that she doesnt even give you a second thought.

          • Shmalkandik

            The notion they have privacy is risible.

            Unlike ordinary people, public people such as he and she do not have private lives. Their days are choreographed for maximum visibility, in a continual meretricious show; they always live for and in front of the camera. As the poet said “lenses extend unwish through curving wherewhen till unwish returns on its unself”.

            Even libel laws that protect most citizens are restricted when applied to them. We are not talking about ordinary people – and the last thing he and she would want to be is ordinary.

            Recognize this, and much of what seems to be much madness is, in their multimediawolrd, entirely sane.

          • laura r

            partly true. but what goes on in their house is off limits. what is a pity is that people patronize & project. no one knows their daily routine or family life. they manage to keep their child out of the spot light. i imagine they have a back or side entrance in their building, may be able to come & go in peace. it’s not a touristy area, but the media does follow.

      • laura r

        dont flatter your self eliza.

    • cleodiousjackson

      treat her like a harp seal

  • WillielomanIII

    I agree with most of this…but Ron lost me when he stated that because Jay Z has $475MM he deserves respect. Working hard deserves respect, being honest deserves respect…but accumulating wealth is not by itself worthy of respect. In fact one of the biggest character flaws we have as a societyis that we do almost automatically give respect to wealth. Better we give respect to integrity, honesty and kindness. And getting Beyonce to marry you…thats pretty good too!!!

    • Benny Shab

      Not sure he said bc he’s worth $475 Million he’s worthy of respect. He’s worthy of respect because he worked hard, took risk and got to the top. That is a celebration of capitalism. And America is a capitalist nation (even though as the author stated Jay Z foolishly supports obama.)

      • alericKong

        He profiteered off ugly social trends like the crack epidemic and LA riots. Hard work had nothing to do with it. Larry Flint makes a lot of money. A lot of people he profited off of are now dead too.

        People slam the Rockerfellars and Carnegie for being materialistic. They built cities and invented modern energy. When things went bad, they were horrified and spent the rest of their life trying to fix it. Today’s black leadership either excuse it or ignore it like Dr. Dre whose son died of heroin and yet he’s still front and center promoting drugs and crime.

        Snoop Dogg murdered someone by the way.

        • Sheik Yerbouti

          Yes, but we have to look the other way because it’s “art”. If you don’t like ALL art forms equally, you must be a *****-ist or some other kind of -ist.

          Glorifying the thug mystique has cost a lot of lives as has glorifying drugs. And most of the damage is in black communities. This is why back clergy and leadership DEMANDED tougher sentences for crack dealers who were destroying their neighborhoods.

          But that was a long time ago and the sentencing disparities between crack and powder are now labeled as institutional racism and entirely the fault of whites. There is no winning with logic in this situation.

          Some people have to reach the bottom before they see the truth.

        • laura r

          snoops ok, but he aint no rockerfeller. how do you compare these blk folks to carnegie mellons? one group had education the other no.

          • alericKong

            Nope. They both grew up poor. Rockerfeller abandoned by his father and Carnegie supporting his mother alone.

            They’re looked on as evil, possibly the worst people in America besides slave owners. Yet they were extremely moral people, and helped literally millions of people.

            The gangster rappers grew up in rather comfortable lifestyles compared to the criminals they glorified. No drug addiction. No prison sentences. Tupac was a ballet dancer. Dre’s mother bought him Christmas presents.

            They took every advantage and turn it into a coarse ugly Kabuki theater which causes morons to die horrible deaths because they think it’s real.

            Now we are suppose to believe it’s the savior of conservatism instead of social passion and higher standards. That’s not going to work.

          • laura r

            tupac was poor. he went to a public high school which specialized in arts (similar to music & art in NY). the dance classes were part of the courses. i believe they were on welfare as he was born right after his mother was released from jail. DMX really came from an awful filthy project in the bronx. biggy small was middle class. puff daddy’s father was a wealthy gangster dealer. yes you are correct, the blk ghettos do attract drugs & violence. if the rockefellers & carnegies grew up poor, more power to them. i wasnt sure which generation of rockerfellers you were referring too. the rappers look up to the italian mafia gangsters.

      • Sharps Rifle

        …and sold lots of crack and weed, too! Whaddaguy!

        Schmuck.

        • laura r

          a young guy.

    • cleodiousjackson

      he and she are pathetic losers

    • Madame_deFarge

      Granted she does make more money than most porn stars. How truly refined to put your ‘lady bits’, (as the hip love to call it) in the face of millions of people, act out sex on stage (it’s OK because you’re married) and have the unmitigated gall to ask for respect. This vulgar couple deserves none. I feel sad for their daughter. Materialism and affluence are their Gods. Vapid and vulgar. They have ‘arrived’ in all their nouveau riche glory.

  • joe

    Perhaps it would be instructive for hip-hop lovers to reflect on Edward Gibbon’s historical perspective regarding the deterioration of values associated with art and art form, and the concomitant decline of civilization. Some things are simply vile. There’s no need to coerce lucid thinkers into calling feces sculpture.

    • Mike

      Very well said.

  • Nick25

    This is garbage, that’s all.

  • alericKong

    I don’t see being a phoney who profits from hurting people while bragging about eating everything in sight as American values.

  • ata777

    Sorry, Ronn, but character and integrity count, and Jay-Z is seriously lacking in that regard. And you know it, too, or you wouldn’t have included Charles Barkley’s qualifier at the end of the article.

    • JohnInMA

      Barkley’s comment is an apple to Jay-Z’s orange too. Being a basketball star as the catalyst to fame is a LOT different than producing misogynistic songs, for example. Barkley may be flawed in his personal life (I don’t know), but his celebrity is based on his ability his talent as an athlete to a large degree, and his personality to a lesser degree. It’s natural to want kids to aspire to his athletic production.

      You cannot compare that to Jay-Z’s product. Apples and oranges.

  • http://tinatrent.com/ Tina Trent

    Piffle.

    Your readers are not so stupid that they don’t know about the vile misogyny and toxic celebration of violence, particularly directed at girlfriends and police, promoted by these singers. Help minorities find role models? Intellectual dishonesty parading as racial enlightenment.

    It’s not a matter of liking or disliking the music, or being open-minded or whatever other nonsense you were fed in school. It’s about taking these men seriously by judging them based on what they actually say and actually do. And to admire that is pathetic.

    This article is a perfect example of what happens when soft self-loathing expresses itself through a culture that delights in watching the underclass destroy itself. It was at least a fringe view in 1957 when Norman Mailer spewed such nonsense: now your child can major in it at 40K a year.

    • Madame_deFarge

      Yes. Women = not only Girlfriend but Mother, Sister, Cousins, Grandmother, Wife. At least that’s what my daughter pointed out to her sons to give them a better prospective of what Rappers / Hip Hoppers are talking about.

  • Elizabeth Cape Cod

    Baloney. This music glorifies the worst part of black culture. Just because it represents that culture, why must it be exploited? It’s debasing. It’s mind pollution . At a time when families lack fathers and strong values for children to learn from, this “stuff” is teaching them that this “culture” is acceptable.
    People of any color who make and produce this music are pimps, pure and simple.

    • Bingeman

      A number of years ago,when hip-hop was first coming on the music scene,I was watching a talk show(can’t remember which one),and on the panel were some of the first performers of this type of music along with some ordinary black citizens.Without fail,every one of these people were upset by this new music,saying that it did not in any way represent black culture and felt that it would be a negative influence on their children.
      What I find so sad is that some of the best music we ever had was the “Motown sound” along with the performers who were dignified and just plain very pleasant people,has degenerated into something so vile and disturbing…and it’s equally bad when it gets puked out by white people too…their pathetic attempts to copy garbage and without a doubt,the most aggravating music ever! Can anyone even sing along to this stuff?

  • Sharps Rifle

    Yep, just what we need to do: Make a hero out of a dope dealer because he made a lot of money.

    Rap/”hip hop” and the rest of ghetto “culture” are a big part of what’s destroying this society…don’t forget, part of the Marxist plan to take down our liberties and nation involved debasing our culture, and we have a Marxist fan of this bottom-feeder currently squatting in the White House.

    That whole thug culture, everything from the vile words (music has lyrics, and (c)rap isn’t music) to the tacky “bling” is repulsive on all levels. Only a sociopath would want to emulate or honor the purveyors of this toxic waste.

  • The March Hare

    Hip-hop isn’t music anymore than cheer leaders produce “music”. Shouting lame rhymes doesn’t qualify as music. It may be rhythmic and clever, but that isn’t what defines music and shouldn’t be discussed as belonging to that genre. Some of it is positive and some of it is negative and anti-social. There was much of it very anti-social as in “gangsta” rap, but to know where it stands one has to listen to a huge amount, learn all the sideways references to see what they are really talking about and make a determination. If hip-hop is art, then so is cheer leading and jump rope songs and chants.
    Back in the 60s and 70s the kids used to laugh at mom and dad grooving along with a song not knowing it was about drugs and sex. Pays to listen to the words and think it out. Support the good and condemn the bad. That is how you teach morals. Where did that culture get us? Now, several generations later, our elementary school kids are being taught sex is alright, even homosexual sex. Are we alright with that? Where did we think it was going to lead? Are the parents that loved that culture when they were growing up comfortable with their kids doing all this stuff now? Sexting? Sex on the school bus? Drugs? Now we even have a judge that thinks up-skirt photos are alright. Guess what culture that judge grew up in. This is the culture that Marx envisioned. Break up the family and induce free love. When everyone is out for themselves, no one has anyone for support. That makes it easy for the government to be the substitute family.

  • cxt

    I have to disagree with the author. Just because Jay Z isn’t a “role model” is no reason to disregard the very real impact he has.
    Charles Barkley was also correct when he said he was not a “role model.”
    And again, that willfully ignores the real world impact of his behavior.
    John Stewert (sp) often says something along the lines of “I’m a comic and people should not be taking be taking me seriously—but he KNOWS they do.
    Simply saying “I’m not a role model” when you clearly are does not absolve you of responsibility.
    Since the author points out that he used to deal drugs and he “hurt many people” my question would be “what specifically has he done to redress the harms he did to the people he sold drugs too.”
    Beyond that the claims of not being a “gangsta rapper” might well depend on how you define the term.
    In any case the author has a clear, personal, financial interest in supporting such things—which is not to say he should not—just saying he has a clear profit motive and that need to be kept in mind.

  • Adhemarde

    Ronn Torossian is a PR = advertising exec. That means he creates campaigns to convince people to buy things they don’t need and often cannot afford. Hardly an ethical business. Jay Z creates garbage that fools buy because they think it is “cool” to be ghetto. Hardly ethical. Evidently they both will admit this, and are in fact proud of it, because in their calculus, the only measure of success in life is how much money you have accumulated, not matter how you did it. That is why they support obama and his ilk, because they share their values, or lack of values. The fact that these people are venerated, let alone tolerated, is a tribute to how far we have sunk as a nation.

    • MLCBLOG

      Just for the record, this did not escape my notice.

    • laura r

      every few decades a new thing is created. then it is marketed. unfortunalty the bad stuff is more popular. jayz is the darling of the NY art scene. he knows many famous people & does projects w/them. i mean white educated cultured people. he collects art etc. but he still markets much of that low life ghetto stuff, the $$ just rolls in. the wife is amazing actress, & singer. i dont care for her commericial stuff. shes no debutant, but an artist never the less. jayz knows who he is, he also knows there are many social circles that would not give him the time of day.

  • Madame_deFarge

    It’s ugly ‘music’ and even uglier culture. It seeks to finish off manners, etiquette and civil standards. That’s what all totalitarians are always about. That and total control. After all if they can be persuaded to reject higher standards of behavior they can be led anyplace you want them to go. Low language, no standards and a swinish amoral culture. I am a recovered member of the 60’s counterculture. Even then, I would never wanted to be in the same room as a Bill Ayers and his ilk. The despicable lowest of the low. Clever doesn’t equate to genius as you’d have us believe about the opportunistic entrepreneurs of filth. But then PR is PR… and advertising. In those days, professions we considered a step below pornography. I guess we did get a couple of things right.

  • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

    Primitivism and ritual rebellion are permitted forms of rebellion today, and its stars are laughing all the way to the bank. See http://clarespark.com/2011/05/12/the-great-common-goes-to-the-white-house/: retitled “Rappers, primitivism, and ritual rebellion.”

  • cecil91

    Hip hop isn’t even music, it’s just nonsensical chatter with a drumbeat. There is nothing virtuous, morally uplifting , or artistic about it; in short, it’s numbskull pap for numbskulls.

    • laura r

      you sound like my 97yr old father. but he never heard of rap. he said, negro music “like the men listen too in my shop”.

      • cecil91

        Ya, typical leftie introduces racism based on what she/he/it “speculates.” Racism on your mind, racism in your behind, racism boiling up your windpipe and around you like a shroud of butt gas.

        • laura r

          my father was active in the socialist workers party, im serious. his parents were too. regardless, what he heard from my bedroom was “the music the men (negros) listen to in my shop”. he said that in 1961. so much for your fantacy about leftists. what can i say, blk music is blk music. i can listen all day. what would america be like if it wasnt for jews & negros?

          • Llewellyn Andrew

            There are people of all races who have contributed greatly to Americas success and this includes my Jewish brothers but one should never praise anything which encourages our children to curse each other and treat woman with disrespect. Its worrysome that in parts where hip hop is very popular that complaints by woman of being groped is on the rise, like Germany for instance. No, America is morally in decline which I find tragic and intellectually so it seems as well. Do you agree that any form of culture which encourages people to mistreat each can have no lasting good effect and should be condemned? Yes, I agree that hip hop can be used to uplift as well but sadly that is not happening at the moment.

          • laura r

            there is alot of garbage. bad message, but also bad form. just screaming like lunatics. ive heard some violent stuff that was very well done as well. i agree, there is more crap than good. one artist i liked was slipping in sales, so they told him to get change his image. his name was nars. i think he went back to doing good things afterwards.

        • laura r

          i not gtting your comment about racism.

  • elena kallen

    Bill O’R is wrong and so is Ronn T. First, pride is on God’s hate parade. What have we mortals to be proud of? Certainly no longer America. In fact we await greater judgment for having had the truth and then squandering it. We think ‘conservative’ is godly and sometimes it is. God hates liberalism. But being no respecter of persons, He doesn’t wink at sin from a liberal or a conservative. Why would you respect ugly? We are so delusional these days, we do not even notice when we are entertained by demon possessed people. ‘What profit if you gain the whole world and lose your own soul?’ Wake up.

  • Mark Koenig

    Ronn Torossian ought to be ashamed of himself for whitewashing Jay-Z’s many questionable business dealings and poor moral example. I agree with many of the other comments here that simply because someone makes a lot of money as an entrepreneur doesn’t make them worthy of respect.

    As for hip-hop music and ‘culture’ being positive and life-affirming – please don’t insult my intelligence. It may be currently ‘hip’ and even clever – but that doesn’t make it a positive influence or even worthy of being referred to as “music,” which clearly, much of it is not – it is misogynist, violence-embracing, ghetto culture trash which ought to be condemned – not promoted. I am the minority in my workplace – most of those I work with are black professionals, while I am white.

    There are many positive things that can be learned from conservative black culture – that which existed in the 1950s and 1960s before the advent of the welfare state and the explosion of out-of-wedlock births. However – today’s urban black “culture” is a blight, and most of my black co-workers who are successful business people with decent moral values agree with me on this.

    • laura r

      you dont know all of hip hop. it can be vulgar & disgusting, as well as positive & wonderful.

    • Madame_deFarge

      The black culture was on its way to success by the 60’s. A long road ahead for sure but then LBJ and “The Great Society” came along and short changed their future. You really have to admire any black person who managed to come through it with success and morals intact. Jay-B, no.

    • laura r

      i would have written that artical differently. stressed the business aspect. but what can i say, journalists smaltz it up. maybe the FP editors want o stir the pot. sometimes there is an honest sincere artical in FP, what why i read this.

  • Michael Garfinkel

    Shame on FrontPage for printing this self-serving load of crap.

    • laura r

      its not bad, its better than many other things they do here. its an intelligent opinion.

      • diana.kunselman

        Depends on the level of intelligence.

        • laura r

          its well wriiten. its a far cry from “cher says….” courtneylove see plane….” “miley snuggles w/ justin….”

          • diana.kunselman

            These are not even on any level remembering. Hollywood trash.

  • David Patton

    Didn’t Jay Z sing “My president is Black ” and make anti white statements after Obama was elected?

    • laura r

      true.

  • SuzyQue

    “…hip-hop is in my blood.”

    So sorry to hear that. Hope you can find a cure.

  • crybabydemocrats

    more democrat liberal garbage

  • laura r

    this is an unusual artical, but valid never the less. i respect jayz as an artist. i dont like all his work, but so what? if you look back to early 1900s the italians, the jews, the irish, did illegal things. some stayed gangsters, others became legitimate busiessmen.

  • patrulje

    From his song Big Pimpen “You know I – thug em, f*ck em, love em, leave em”
    From the Voices against Violence Project “Jay-Z (who used the “b word” in an estimated 109 out of 217 of his songs)”

    Yeah his uplifting character shows. As for hip hop being about entrepreneurship and self sufficiency is that what you call having a string of hookers or selling drugs.

  • DaveTheKnave

    Here’s some more folks who are inspired by Jay-Z.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvTEBYgGjvk

  • laura r

    hip hop rap is just like movies. either it is vile, or wonderful. either it can be genious, or garbage. few people here have a clue. its that all or nothing thinking. as for role models, its not the job of an artist. btw, i do listen to some of jayz, free on youtube. when hes good hes good.

    • Madame_deFarge

      If you’re going for free verse or stream of consciousness don’t bother with any punctuation. Otherwise use spell check. Maybe too plebeian for you as an artist and all…

      • laura r

        as i tell all my fans, you’re all welcome to do secretarial work for me. for now, go back to your office.

  • Liz

    So far no commentors have mentioned Jay-z’s immersion into satanism. His clothing line is filled with satanic symbols and phrases. Like images of Baphomet, pentagrams, and quotes from premier satanist, Aliester Crowley, “do what thou wilt”. Crowley advocated child molestation and sacrifice as a way to practice satanism. Jay-z and Beyonce always flash Illuminati hand signs while wearing satanic jewelry on their hands. She claims to be possessed by an entity named Sasha Fierce during her performances. “Artists” like Jay-z are destroyers, not builders, of civilization.

    • laura r

      stupid gullable moron: for the last 50 years, rock stars have been throwing in the satan stuff. its sells, it for the kids. grow up. youre an adult & you take it seriously? its marketing.

      • Liz

        When you disagree with someone, is it necessary to call them names? Yes, satanist stuff was used by rock artist in the past, but not at the level of today. Same with sex, nothing like today with the promotion of perversion. Marketing to our lowest common denominator is pervasive, not desirable. I only recently read about the satanic symbolism rampant in today’s music videos, and then watched them. Madonna, Rhianna, Taylor Momsen, Katy Perry, and Miley Cyrus are so blatantly promoting their agenda in their graphic performances. They all wear satanic clothing and jewelry. Momsen wears a shirt that has “Satan” across the front in her shows. So you don’t have a problem if your 12 year old child watches the “I like s&m” music video by Rhianna?

        • laura r

          its a FASHION statement. go back to flyover, i dont mean to call you names, but you take things too seriously. gullible. they sell $5000. gold rings w/occult symbols. its not serious, its fashion.

          • Llewellyn Andrew

            Fashion statement is to act like a prostitute.? Its poor fashion, gutter ! Fashion should not devalue the worth of individuals and do you actually care about the effect this is having on society, clearly not?!

          • laura r

            we were talking about occult jewelry. liz actually takes it seriously. i say its fashion. they sell fine jewels w/those symbols.

      • Madame_deFarge

        You really don’t hear yourself do you?

      • truebearing

        Because rock stars did it makes it acceptable? Rock stars have been involved in all kinds of vile behavior, such as child molesting, murder, rape, etc. Many have used their music to promote immorality, drug use, Marxism, violence, etc. Wrong is wrong, regardless of who does it.

        I have always been a fan of rock, or at least some rock, blues, country, R&B (the old stuff), bluegrass, classical, etc. I liked some very early heavy metal, before it went totally dark and deranged. Music is wonderful, but it is also an insidious way to indoctrinate young people. To say “its for the kids,” as if that somehow makes everything alright is naive, at best. Kids are very impressionable and insecure. Teaching them that gangs, drugs, violence, promiscuity, etc are “cool” is evil. We know it is marketing, but it is marketing that is profiting by corrupting children.

        • laura r

          the fluff sells. even the kids dont take it seriously. you need catchy visuals, symbols, rebellious explosions. that marketing, thats packaging. im no criminal, & i was exposed to all this stuff.

    • MLCBLOG

      Wow! no surprise, though, when hanging around on the other side of life.

  • http://cogitarus.wordpress.com/ ★✩★ David ★✩★

    I appreciate what Ronn has to say but unfortunately he is misguided. And to be a PR guy and miss this undermines his credibility. He is spinning the facts. And while I often disagree with O’Reilly, his points (while perhaps aimed at the wrong individuals) are not misguided. He hits the nail on the head.

    I very much like Charles Barkley and his political and sports comments but he too has this all wrong (according to his Nike quote). No one is asking celebrities to raise their kids, however being a role model — being in the public eye — comes with responsibilities, and showing those who look up to you (kids) what is right and good is one of them. Keeping your nose clean (literally) is one of them. Otherwise you become the poster boy of what not to do, of a sad life wasted. (See Justin Beiber and Miley Cyrus) All of us every single day of our lives are either improving ourselves and humanity or degrading it. When you are in the public eye and making all that money (by being in the public eye) you have a GREATER debt to society to never be part of what brings it down. Otherwise you are no better than a political traitor, a cultural polluter or a saboteur of civilization.

  • Servo1969

    Here’s the problem I have with what Jay-Z creates – his music and it’s entire genre encourages the attitudes that lead to failure and misery over the ones that lead to happiness and success. His product is popular, catchy poison. He’s worked very hard and gotten very rich off lyrics that celebrate militant ignorance. Hard work and responsibility? Really? That’s what he’s teaching?

    Beyonce – Drunk In Love
    (feat. Jay-Z)

    Hold up
    That D’USSÉ is the sh-t if I do say so myself
    If I do say so myself, if I do say so myself
    Hold up, stumbled all in that house time to back up all of that mouth
    That you had all in the car, talking ’bout you the baddest b-tch thus far
    Talking ’bout you be repping that 3rd,
    I wanna see all the sh-t that I heard
    Know I sling Clint Eastwood, hope you can handle this curve, ah
    Foreplay in the foyer f-cked up my Warhol
    Slid the panties right to the side
    Ain’t got the time to take draws off, on site
    Catch a charge I might, beat the box up like Mike
    In ’97 I bite, I’m Ike, Turner, turn up
    Baby no I don’t play, now eat the cake, Anna Mae
    Said, “Eat the cake, Anna Mae!”
    I’m nice, for y’all to reach these heights you gon’ need G3
    4, 5, 6 flights, sleep tight
    We sex again in the morning, your breasteses is my breakfast
    We going in, we be all night”

    But his product doesn’t matter, right? All that matters is he’s gettin’ paid and has a fine woman. In fact, he married her! That alone should be enough to make him an inspiration for black children, right? Or is that racist for for me to bring up the fact that 70% of black children have no daddy?

    No. It does matter. He is influential to blacks for all the wrong reasons. His music is a part of the cultural rot that leads to pain and suffering.

    • Bingeman

      These lyrics are sickening,demoralizing and heartbreaking especially when held up against the lyrics to the wonderful 1969 song,”Color him Father”,by the Winstons.
      How in hell could things have crashed and burned so completely in such a short time? Why are so many so eager to be taken in by this rot? And how much worse will it get?

    • laura r

      most of his lytics are not great, he knocks them out & records.

  • Madame_deFarge

    Well, JohnInMA I can agree with you for the most part but if you aren’t anti-porn then you are supporting the denigration of women. Misogyny has always been here along with child abuse and sexual molestation but it has exploded since porn gained the stamp of approval in the anything goes 60’s. It isn’t hip or cool.

  • bob smith

    This article is a farce written by a public relations specialist who has worked for the subject in question.

    Interesting how he chose to pitch his platform within fpm.

  • NAHALKIDES

    It seems like every time a political Conservative starts to get into cultural matters, he puts his foot into it. Jonah Goldberg, Ann Coulter, and now Torossian show the pitfalls of writing about the arts without a thorough grounding in traditional (we might say “Conservative”) esthetics.

    Torossian’s central mistake here is to confuse the freedom to market any artistic product whatsoever and reap the profits if successful with the inherent artistic merit of the work. Jay-Z’s freedom to produce the fertilizer he does without being stopped by the government (as so many in other businesses are) does not make that fertilizer smell any better. Nor is he much of a role model for youth since few will ever become that successful through the “music” business (I use the term with reservation when the subject is Hip-Hop), and the fact is people listen to him and other rappers not because of their business success but because of their appalling “message”.

    Sorry Ronn – Hip-Hop has zero value artistically, and that’s probably being too generous. It’s part of the horrifying culture of our inner-cities, which includes welfare as a way of life, fatherless children, poverty, crime, and misery. It’s no accident that rappers often come to a bad end: Tupac Shakur was basically reduced to One-Pac when he was shot in the groin (and that was before he was killed), and the Notorious B.I.G. is now the Notorious R.I.P. When you understand the difference between Gangsta Rap and George Gershwin, we might listen to you on cultural matters. Until then, better to confine yourself to the increasing difficulty in running a business in NYC.

  • finnigans mom

    Promoting this gangsta culture is also part of the reason we have Obama as president, just because there is a lot of money involved does not equate to love for their fellow man or country

  • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

    An acrimonious debate broke out on my FB page after I posted this article, so I added some material to a prior blog: http://clarespark.com/2011/05/12/the-great-common-goes-to-the-white-house/ (retitled, Rappers, primitivism, and ritual rebellion.) There was a time when Americans reveled in cultural syncretism, in the melting pot. But that all changed when the New Left aligned with racialist separatism and re-segregated American society. It made a few performers wealthy beyond their wildest dreams, but did not help American culture as a whole, including the black population. I understand that my position is controversial and unpopular.

    • The Facts

      Martha Bayles already wrote on that crappy thesis. It’s boring.

  • Geoffrey_Britain

    Besides everything else mentioned, this is a guy who takes vacations in the second most repressive regime on earth, Cuba. Jay-Z has $475 million while except for the elite, everyone in Cuba is limited to earning $20.00 a month… forget about a minimum wage, they have a maximum you can earn, $20 bucks. That’s the ‘forward’ the left desires for America. Except that is, for the Jay-Zs…

  • seewithyourowneyes

    Rappers brag nonstop about how rich they are and what big men they are, but when confronted about the misogyny and violence that pervade their music, they turn into little children, whining that “the record labels made us do it” or “it’s really the customer’s fault.”

  • TrueNorth777

    I’m inclined to think that this is a heavily edited piece paid for by jay-z and company. Marketing 101: Make the customer the hero of the story. Yet, considering the author also runs a charitable foundation devoted to helping children, I am confounded why he would allow this piece to be promoted under his name. Google jay-z and wife’s vulgar and degrading lyrics to get an idea. Perhaps: Marketing 101 (a): Money talks. I end my opinion with this qualifier as a woman, parent and consumer: “Buyer beware. Not all that glitters is gold.”

  • miranda

    I’m from the Bronx too and that’s baloney. Its ok to call women hos & bi#%s? Or smoking pot so much you’re dumbed down. Sleeping aroubd with everyone. Or what about Chris Brown domestic abuse. Jayz is not brilliant a hustler yes. And I don’t care how much money he has. Teach our children some manners integrity working hard morals and sticking it out with your kids and Girl/wife God’s. Values.
    FYI I’m Puerto Rican from the South Bronx a conservative and I don’t Agree with this.

  • Fudge

    I agree, bill oreilly is wrong and a worthless bag of fetid hot air. But jayz is not worthy of respect. (c)rap is EVERYTHING that is wrong with this country.

  • John

    As a dealer dealer he undoubtedly … Etc , Etc – An Article written for the sake of writing an article – what a waste of space on FRONTPAGE .

  • cacslewisfan

    Jay Z and Kanye should not be admired AT ALL. Despite not intending to present themselves as healthy role models, Jay Z and Kanye definitely are. They present a “pimp” version of themselves in their music that is admired, and everyone knows they are rich. Gee whiz, does the young black community see this and want to emulate it? Yeah, I think they do. The problem is not rap music, or the fashion, or even the slang: it’s the culture of Pimping, hating, and pathological narcism that rappers like Jay Z promote.

  • VLParker

    I’m trying real hard not to die laughing. You have to be incredibly delusional to try to pass off JayZ as a positive influence. What a crock.

  • old people young people

    you young people and the dang music you have!

    this is just sad reading these comments. i am still waiting for rock and roll and comic books to destroy america like you people said it would since the 50s.

    • diana.kunselman

      This goes far beyond that.

  • DB1954

    O’Reilly says a lot of stupid things.

  • Borek Volarik

    Neither Luis Armstrong nor Duke Ellington were worth that much money but they really represented something great in the American culture. Who will remember some vulgar nursery rhymes shouter fifty years from now? And let me tell you….people like Armstrong, Ellington, Count Basie, Fletcher Henderson, Ella Fitzgerald, Modern Jazz Quartet, Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie …. these people will be remembered even 100 years from now, simply because they participated in creating of an original part of American culture called JAZZ. And they conquered the world with they art!

    • diana.kunselman

      This man is no artist, nor will we remember him as one. He was just smart at investing. This is like the mafia trying to look good, like a store front. Look out the back door and you will see the garbage piled high. He is a punk who thinks he and his wife are so cool. I wouldn’t trade my life for his for any amount of money. Rather die poor.

      • laura r

        i would trade.

    • DWRomans58

      That statement, unlike this article, gets MY Amen.

  • dsjj251

    ” Fox News, the fair and balanced network, has eliminated liberal bias from at least one station. ”

    Do conservatives actually believe this, or was this some inside joke that i missed ?

    Fox is in no way fair and balanced. And before anyone says something, neither is MSNBC. However MSNBC doesnt pretend to be.

  • Matt

    Having just read On Liberty by John Stuart Mill the opening arguments this author makes seem silly. Also it seems disingenuous to wait until the end of the article for the author to explain what he means by role model. Turns out he sees Jay Z as a business role model. Of course most people think of role models as moral models. Another reason I find this article disingenuous.

    • laura r

      the right wing is all morals morals morals. when the artical was about “business” (youre correct 100%). manufacturing clothing baseball team touring endorsing recording investing.

  • Native American

    Ronn…”he’s a business man”… really?..he was a business man when he sold the drugs…he’s a gansta rapper…he uses foul language but you forgive…GEEZ! what does it take for you to see it all…

    • laura r

      ronn sees the % he gets. the numbers speak for themselves. there’s the clothing line etc. its an industry. foul language? been to vegas?

  • Disapp

    In my opinion, a person naming himself “Jay-Hova” is not worthy of respect as he is renaming himself God (Jehovah). This man needs prayer and not admiration. I wonder why Mr. Torossian would end his article with Amen.

    • laura r

      its show biz. dont you know anything about rock in roll? the singer is the god, the audience the followers. it has to be cool, edgy, exciting. this stuff has been going on like 50yrs. seems when ever a new person comes along…..well….its the same old stuff. actually i liked jayz’s work better while he was in in the marcy projects, w/out music or beats.

      • Disapp

        Yes, I am aware of Rock and Roll. However, I am not aware of entertainers actually renaming themselves as Jehovah.

        • laura r

          they name themselves all kinds of occult or controversial names. heard of madonna? all of this is pure entertainment, like a vegas floor show.

  • mickeymat

    This article had little of no factual data or argument. Why waste time posting it?

  • Shami-Amourae
  • Ian Connel

    What a completely bullshit argument. Way to throw values in the toilet.

  • Marlin B. Newburn

    One can hear Chris Rock’s take on rap:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcqJDDhoUlc

  • DaveMed

    “I got 99 problems but a ***** ain’t one.”
    _____________________________________________________________

    These are the lyrics of one of the most famous songs that Black culture has graced our society with. Crafted by Jay-Z.

    Isn’t diversity enriching?

  • Shirley Potter

    Are you crazy, Mr Torossian? I think so!

  • The Facts

    This is a corner Frontpage is never going to be able to turn. Something’s in Mr. Torossian’s blood alright, but it ain’t Hip Hop.

  • MLCBLOG

    “…..hip-hop lifestyle teaches so many
    important American values. From the importance of rising up no matter
    what your circumstances, to constantly working hard and seeking more and
    more, to personal responsibility, there are so many hip-hop values that
    all Americans – including political conservatives – must appreciate.”

    This above is news to me. Hard to tell when I look at pants around the butt (to invite ??) and see the unkempt look, but then we looked pretty raggedy and rebellious to our folks, too, when I was also very young.

    Thank you. I heart you being conservative surrounded by so many who may not be. I, too, was born to be a conservative it seems, even though by peer pressure I had!! to spend a lot of time (learning) on the “other side.”

    I look forward to reading the rest of your article.

  • laura r

    remember what michele obama said after the inaguration? beyonce was a role model young girls can emulate. right after that she released the album sasha fierce. i wish frontpage can play a clip of that, than have the most obcene vid as well. i should get paid for this.

  • Native American

    Ronn ..again…he claims he was a drug seller…and now he’s a business man…he was always a business man selling drugs..get it?

    • laura r

      as i said, the biggest businessmen in mexico are drug dealers. they open shopping malls, fund hospitals, own tons of realestate. some of them are merciless killers. jayz & ronn are not slaugtering people, or giving the orders too. now, thats where i draw the line. jayz is quite civilized according to what i have grown used too, living several yrs way south of the border.

  • Garvey … Once a tolerant bre

    Very well written article. too bad your readers all seem to be racist white guys that still listen to music in genres.

    • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

      No, we just refuse to call ‘Hip-Hop’ anything other than what it truly is – namely, musical garbage connected to dim-witted lyrics and sung by talentless dopes.

  • laura r

    reality check moralists: guzman is on the forbes list of the world riches men. business: “shipping”. hes a drug trafficker, big time. he built a tunnel from mexico to the USA to transport. it took a long time to build. when finished he had the workers shot, killed, buried. (so they wouldnt tell anyone). he is responsible for 1000s of deaths. he had a 3rd grade education, was very poor. worked his way up the drug chain. in 2008, he deposited $328,000,000 usd to american banks after the crash. he runs mexico, is connected to many international banking investment firms. hes a real player, jayz is small potatoes. if you want to judge, go after the real killers. again, forbes calls his business “shipping”. just saying….

  • Fred Campbell

    I cannot say that I am convinced, but Ronn Torossian certainly provides “food for thought”.
    And anyone who makes me think is ultimately my friend.

    • laura r

      there are many sides to this coin. thankyou for being open, but be careful what you listen too! be advised.

      • Fred Campbell

        Wise counsel. Thank you.

  • Douglas Mayfield

    People should be able to watch, listen to, whatever they wish. Their lives, their choice, their business. No censorship. It’s immoral.

    But Mr. Torossian, whom I presume thinks of himself as a conservative, is an example of why conservatives are losing the intellectual and cultural battle.

    Since those on the Left are subjectivist, that is, they reject values as such, the Left wing wages an unrelenting war against values per se.
    What should be the hallmark of conservatism? Espousing real values. Values which are based in reality and on our nature as thinking, reasoning human beings.

    Rap, hip hop, etc. are observably nothing more than stupid, that is, self lobotomized, vicious noise. The lyrics generally advocate violence and death. They are the aesthetic equivalent in ‘music’ (they are not music) of the more virulent, offensive, and by their nature, outright destructive, forms of painting and sculpture in ‘modern art’.
    For a so-called conservative to embrace these is similar to an advocate of ‘freedom’ embracing socialism because ‘it helps people’ when in fact, socialism is poison for a free country as rap, hip hop, etc. are poison for our culture.

  • laura r

    torossian is a supporter of isreal (100 points). that makes him somewhat conservative, & well liked by the FP editors. dont forget he does fit the image of the”west coast promo man” so hes fast talking, kind of manipulative what ever. he also writes for huff post (take away 20 points), what can i say? not the worst person, & neither is jayz.

  • Hilda

    Torossian , says, “as CEO of a leading New York PR agency, we have represented countless hip-hop artists, including Sean “Diddy” Combs, Ice-Cube, Snoop Dogg and others — and it’s been a great experience.”

    If I decided to try to make money representing Mexican bands who are popular because of “narco-corridos” (ballads that glorify murderous drug cartel
    criminals), well of course, I’m going to make an attempt at arguing that “narco-corridos” are a wonderful uplifting contribution of Mexican culture that merely reflect the struggles of the Mexican poor who are oppressed by the Gringo Empire to the north.

  • laura r

    gee i must have been independent. none of my friends actually took jim morrisons occult ceromonies seriously. but yes things have gotton more vulgar, im a libertarian. its the parents job to raise the child.

  • sam

    Again, I think people need to look into what they listen to a little more before they start casting stones. I LOVE The Who, but they were in no way angels. I’m assuming you’re also a Led Zeppelin fan? Well they raped 14 year old girls. Talk about respecting women huh! John Entwistle also died in the arms of a prostitute. But I LOVE THESE BANDS, cause that kind of stuff doesn’t matter when you produce great art that changes the world. And as a woman I actually find hip hop a little more respectful then some of the things I’ve heard John Lennon, Jimmy Page, John Bonham etc.. say.

    Also if you were to take any type of ethno-musicology class and you stated that you feel “sad” for anyone that enjoyed hip hop everyone would know not to take you seriously as a music fan, you might want to work on that argument.

    Beyonce doesn’t twerk either, that bitch dances like an angel. Have some respect.

    • George Clark

      Good lord. Led Zep raped 14 year old girls. I’m not a led zep fan, buckwheat.

      Hip hop is not music. It’s anti music. Most of it is “written” in iambic pentameter, a term that most rappers have never heard of. If you want to compare rap to led zep, compare a bridge from “Physical Graffiti” to a bridge from a rapper’s album. Doubt you can find one.

      As for me taking “ethno-musicology” courses–I have an advanced degree in English lit. I don’t need to take undergrad courses in anti-music. I’ll listen to Mahler and the Blue Oyster Cult.

      Did the Blue Oyster Cult rape 14 year old girls, monkeyboy?

  • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

    This article proves once again that the Loonies have taken over the asylum.

  • Grifter Six

    It seems to me that JP Morgan, Rockefeller, Carnegie and others, who exploited the masses and were in no small way responsible for the deaths of countless immigrants and minorities are considered Role Models. The founding fathers, who owned slaved and deprived people of their liberty and other god given rights are also considered Role Models. The CEO’s of countless major companies such as Microsoft, MCDonalds and ExxonMobil can be considered Role Models and they have no issue exploiting the workforce, outsourcing American jobs and building a minimum wage culture that the dwindling middle class has to pay for all in the name of corporate greed and private Interests. Incumbent politicians are held up as bastions of democracy all the while lining thier pockets with lobbyist pay offs at the expense of the Populace. At least Jay Z is honest about his past, isnt shy about telling the world to sit and spin and simply does life his way. Hes, rich , famous, seems to have his family life as together as any American and he’s his own boss…. Seems like a decent candidate for a Role Model.