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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2014 02:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re misreading language yet again.  When I say &#039;we require and expect them to support [rights]&#039; I do not mean that that right does not exist even if they did not support it. It might have been clearer if I said &#039;we demand and expect them to support [rights]&#039;


In the context, I thought that would be clear.  I don&#039;t know how many times I have to say it, but they are not conferring those rights on us. Those rights exist whether they confer them or not.  I&#039;m not saying they confer those rights on us.


I am bored by your inability to understand the distinction between &#039;they confer these rights on us&#039; and &#039;they support these rights&#039;. The first is false. The second is true (to the extent that the government is behaving constitutionally). If you are incapable of understanding the distinction (and at this point I&#039;m reluctantly concluding that you are), iftwill seem logically inconsistent that one is true and the other is false. But that&#039;s the way it is, when the reality, and the meaning of the words, is correctly understood. Have a nice day. Enjoy the last word, because I&#039;m finished.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re misreading language yet again.  When I say &#8216;we require and expect them to support [rights]&#8216; I do not mean that that right does not exist even if they did not support it. It might have been clearer if I said &#8216;we demand and expect them to support [rights]&#8216;</p>
<p>In the context, I thought that would be clear.  I don&#8217;t know how many times I have to say it, but they are not conferring those rights on us. Those rights exist whether they confer them or not.  I&#8217;m not saying they confer those rights on us.</p>
<p>I am bored by your inability to understand the distinction between &#8216;they confer these rights on us&#8217; and &#8216;they support these rights&#8217;. The first is false. The second is true (to the extent that the government is behaving constitutionally). If you are incapable of understanding the distinction (and at this point I&#8217;m reluctantly concluding that you are), iftwill seem logically inconsistent that one is true and the other is false. But that&#8217;s the way it is, when the reality, and the meaning of the words, is correctly understood. Have a nice day. Enjoy the last word, because I&#8217;m finished.</p>
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		<title>By: mackykam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mackykam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2014 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong, wrong, wrong! We do not require the US government to affirm and support...our natural rights come from God and the Constitution was written to protect American citizens from government reach and overreach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong, wrong, wrong! We do not require the US government to affirm and support&#8230;our natural rights come from God and the Constitution was written to protect American citizens from government reach and overreach.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A further clarification: the author of the article is happily affirming Israel&#039;s right to exist.  While doing so, he is admiringly recounting a tale in which Begin objected to the US affirming Israel&#039;s right to exist, while Begin himself was affirming Israel&#039;s right to exist.
  What is up with that?  Who exactly is allowed to affirm Israel&#039;s right to exist?  And who exactly is not and why not? Is this not reflecting a bad attitude to allies?
  Let me draw an analogy.  You politely ask Bob, not wishing to leave him standing up if he should not wish to, &#039;Would you like to take a seat?&#039;. Bob replies, &#039;F**K you, I don&#039;t need your help, no-one tells me what to do.&#039;  Later, the story is admiringly told of Bob, by Bob&#039;s friends, how Bob stands up for himself.
  Now, we would rightly describe Bob as &#039;having issues&#039;.  Bob has done himself no favors in his relationship with us. These issues are Bob&#039;s, and they work to Bob&#039;s disadvantage, despite what Bob&#039;s friends may think.  Bob is undiplomatic: he does not help himself in this.
  While the above is a bit exaggerated, it&#039;s quite a close parallel to what&#039;s happening here.  Carter offered to affirm Israel&#039;s right to exist. Begin objected to it, as if Carter were offering to confer a right to exist on Israel, then Begin himself proceeded to affirm Israel&#039;s right to exist. The author of this article recounts this tale admiringly, himself affirming Israel&#039;s right to exist.  This was undiplomatic behavior and almost certainly contrary to the interests of Israel.
   A word to the wise (as a Gentile supporter of Israel):  the writer of this article is not projecting an attitude that is helpful to Israel.  The writer must examine his attitudes, (and look up the meaning of words if lack of proficiency in English is the problem, but it probably isn&#039;t, just as it probably isn&#039;t for Bob), and adjust his attitudes accordingly, for the greater good of Israel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A further clarification: the author of the article is happily affirming Israel&#8217;s right to exist.  While doing so, he is admiringly recounting a tale in which Begin objected to the US affirming Israel&#8217;s right to exist, while Begin himself was affirming Israel&#8217;s right to exist.<br />
  What is up with that?  Who exactly is allowed to affirm Israel&#8217;s right to exist?  And who exactly is not and why not? Is this not reflecting a bad attitude to allies?<br />
  Let me draw an analogy.  You politely ask Bob, not wishing to leave him standing up if he should not wish to, &#8216;Would you like to take a seat?&#8217;. Bob replies, &#8216;F**K you, I don&#8217;t need your help, no-one tells me what to do.&#8217;  Later, the story is admiringly told of Bob, by Bob&#8217;s friends, how Bob stands up for himself.<br />
  Now, we would rightly describe Bob as &#8216;having issues&#8217;.  Bob has done himself no favors in his relationship with us. These issues are Bob&#8217;s, and they work to Bob&#8217;s disadvantage, despite what Bob&#8217;s friends may think.  Bob is undiplomatic: he does not help himself in this.<br />
  While the above is a bit exaggerated, it&#8217;s quite a close parallel to what&#8217;s happening here.  Carter offered to affirm Israel&#8217;s right to exist. Begin objected to it, as if Carter were offering to confer a right to exist on Israel, then Begin himself proceeded to affirm Israel&#8217;s right to exist. The author of this article recounts this tale admiringly, himself affirming Israel&#8217;s right to exist.  This was undiplomatic behavior and almost certainly contrary to the interests of Israel.<br />
   A word to the wise (as a Gentile supporter of Israel):  the writer of this article is not projecting an attitude that is helpful to Israel.  The writer must examine his attitudes, (and look up the meaning of words if lack of proficiency in English is the problem, but it probably isn&#8217;t, just as it probably isn&#8217;t for Bob), and adjust his attitudes accordingly, for the greater good of Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One little addendum: To affirm a right is to &#039;support that right&#039; , but &#039;support a right&#039; is quite a bit broader than &#039;affirm a right&#039;. We require and expect the US government to both affirm and support our constitutional rights, But we do not view them as conferring those rights on us,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One little addendum: To affirm a right is to &#8216;support that right&#8217; , but &#8216;support a right&#8217; is quite a bit broader than &#8216;affirm a right&#8217;. We require and expect the US government to both affirm and support our constitutional rights, But we do not view them as conferring those rights on us,</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the insults, but they won&#039;t win you the argument.. You yourself have been &#039;affirming&#039; various rights above. You have affirmed Israel&#039;s right to exist in saying &#039;Jews need no one to affirm our right to exist or rights to our God-given promised land, be they governments or individuals&#039;. The article above is affirming Israel&#039;s right to exist. Begin affirmed Israel&#039;s right to exist, while he was objecting to the US affirming Israel&#039;s right to exist. You just don&#039;t seem to understand what &#039;affirm&#039; means.  So when you &#039;affirm&#039; it, it&#039;s OK, but when Carter says the US affirms it, you get offended.  And so does Begin. And you confuse the meaning of &#039;affirms the right&#039; with &#039;confers the right&#039;.


Insufferable though I may be, the really insufferable thing is what a dictionary will tell you, the author of the article, and Begin, what the meaning of affirm is. A good dictionary, a good grasp of English can help with diplomacy.


But I think the truth is more likely that you don&#039;t really want to understand English.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the insults, but they won&#8217;t win you the argument.. You yourself have been &#8216;affirming&#8217; various rights above. You have affirmed Israel&#8217;s right to exist in saying &#8216;Jews need no one to affirm our right to exist or rights to our God-given promised land, be they governments or individuals&#8217;. The article above is affirming Israel&#8217;s right to exist. Begin affirmed Israel&#8217;s right to exist, while he was objecting to the US affirming Israel&#8217;s right to exist. You just don&#8217;t seem to understand what &#8216;affirm&#8217; means.  So when you &#8216;affirm&#8217; it, it&#8217;s OK, but when Carter says the US affirms it, you get offended.  And so does Begin. And you confuse the meaning of &#8216;affirms the right&#8217; with &#8216;confers the right&#8217;.</p>
<p>Insufferable though I may be, the really insufferable thing is what a dictionary will tell you, the author of the article, and Begin, what the meaning of affirm is. A good dictionary, a good grasp of English can help with diplomacy.</p>
<p>But I think the truth is more likely that you don&#8217;t really want to understand English.</p>
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		<title>By: mackykam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mackykam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 05:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are truly a patronizing, insufferable twit.
Supporting rights empowers the supporter to withhold support at a later date, unjustifiably conferring rights of &#039;enable and refrain.&#039;
Ones right to walk freely down the street unmolested is enshrined in the right to bear arms. Only liberals have seen to it that right is taken away, leaving people unprotected and at the mercy of lawbreakers. Police were established in lieu of having armed citizens walk about. But every victim of a mugging wished he&#039;d have had a weapon instead of relying on police in the aftermath.
There is no Christian baiting. It is all historical fact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are truly a patronizing, insufferable twit.<br />
Supporting rights empowers the supporter to withhold support at a later date, unjustifiably conferring rights of &#8216;enable and refrain.&#8217;<br />
Ones right to walk freely down the street unmolested is enshrined in the right to bear arms. Only liberals have seen to it that right is taken away, leaving people unprotected and at the mercy of lawbreakers. Police were established in lieu of having armed citizens walk about. But every victim of a mugging wished he&#8217;d have had a weapon instead of relying on police in the aftermath.<br />
There is no Christian baiting. It is all historical fact.</p>
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		<title>By: William James Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William James Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Muslim Moon worshipers if they disappear still leave their
brothers the leftists, who are all lunatics..................William]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslim Moon worshipers if they disappear still leave their<br />
brothers the leftists, who are all lunatics&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;William</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is another side to this which very few people are discussing.  Perhaps this is being viewed through the Israeli perspective. I can give the perspective of a supporter of Israel, who is not Israeli or Jewish.


I think Begin is guilty of VERY bad diplomacy in taking issues with &#039;The United States affirms Israel’s inherent right to exist&#039;.  If the document had said &#039;The United states confers a right to exist on Israel&#039;, he would have reason to complain.  In a similar vein, the above article does not give a good message to allies of Israel.


To the extent that Israelis would wish to alienate those who say &#039;I affirm/support Israel&#039;s right to exist&#039; (out of apparently misinterpreting it as &#039;I confer the right to exist on Israel&#039;), to that extent, they give a message to the allies of Israel that being an enemy of Israel would be appreciated just as much as an ally, thanks. This is a Public Relations disaster,  an International Relations disaster, and terrible diplomacy.  It isn&#039;t reality either -- Israel does NOT want the US, the UK and France to be like Iran.


I understand why Israelis are strongly resistant to legitimizing an apparent **conferring** of their right to exist by other nations.  But there seems to be a hair-trigger problem here which leads to things being taken too far, and reacts to &#039;affirming&#039; or &#039;supporting&#039; their right to exist as if it is a &#039;conferral&#039; of right to exist.  The word &#039;affirm&#039; does not in any way mean &#039;confer&#039;, and Begin, and the author of this article, if they knew English well, should be able to tell the difference, if they would so wish. To the extent that they would, they would be better diplomats for Israel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another side to this which very few people are discussing.  Perhaps this is being viewed through the Israeli perspective. I can give the perspective of a supporter of Israel, who is not Israeli or Jewish.</p>
<p>I think Begin is guilty of VERY bad diplomacy in taking issues with &#8216;The United States affirms Israel’s inherent right to exist&#8217;.  If the document had said &#8216;The United states confers a right to exist on Israel&#8217;, he would have reason to complain.  In a similar vein, the above article does not give a good message to allies of Israel.</p>
<p>To the extent that Israelis would wish to alienate those who say &#8216;I affirm/support Israel&#8217;s right to exist&#8217; (out of apparently misinterpreting it as &#8216;I confer the right to exist on Israel&#8217;), to that extent, they give a message to the allies of Israel that being an enemy of Israel would be appreciated just as much as an ally, thanks. This is a Public Relations disaster,  an International Relations disaster, and terrible diplomacy.  It isn&#8217;t reality either &#8212; Israel does NOT want the US, the UK and France to be like Iran.</p>
<p>I understand why Israelis are strongly resistant to legitimizing an apparent **conferring** of their right to exist by other nations.  But there seems to be a hair-trigger problem here which leads to things being taken too far, and reacts to &#8216;affirming&#8217; or &#8216;supporting&#8217; their right to exist as if it is a &#8216;conferral&#8217; of right to exist.  The word &#8216;affirm&#8217; does not in any way mean &#8216;confer&#8217;, and Begin, and the author of this article, if they knew English well, should be able to tell the difference, if they would so wish. To the extent that they would, they would be better diplomats for Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your confusion seems to continue, unfortunately.  I am wondering if English is not your first language.  You are fundamentally confusing &#039;supporting rights&#039; with &#039;conferring rights&#039;.  :

&gt;&gt; Americans don&#039;t need the US government to confer rights. Constitutional rights are natural rights.

This is the correct American view of its Constitution, and I agree with you. However, the US Government does support our rights (at least when behaving properly).

Yes, you do need people supporting your rights. We all do. Those people who don&#039;t attack you when you walk down the street, those who don&#039;t mug you and so on, they are the people supporting your rights.  Those who do attack you, mug you and so on are &#039;not supporting your rights&#039;.And one thing Israel definitely does NOT need is people not supporting them. Like Iran, for example.

I don&#039;t mind if you do Christian-baiting and outright flaming, but please don&#039;t claim &#039;noblesse&#039; if you do. It may seem &#039;patronage&#039; to refer to your inability to grasp this distinction, but to be honest with you, I don&#039;t know if your inability to grasp this distinction is in fact an honest on at all:  Your writing suggests you have the necessary intelligence:  is it not more like you don&#039;t WANT to grasp this distinction?



Which is a question I would genuinely ask of the author of the article; and Begin, if he were here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your confusion seems to continue, unfortunately.  I am wondering if English is not your first language.  You are fundamentally confusing &#8216;supporting rights&#8217; with &#8216;conferring rights&#8217;.  :</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Americans don&#8217;t need the US government to confer rights. Constitutional rights are natural rights.</p>
<p>This is the correct American view of its Constitution, and I agree with you. However, the US Government does support our rights (at least when behaving properly).</p>
<p>Yes, you do need people supporting your rights. We all do. Those people who don&#8217;t attack you when you walk down the street, those who don&#8217;t mug you and so on, they are the people supporting your rights.  Those who do attack you, mug you and so on are &#8216;not supporting your rights&#8217;.And one thing Israel definitely does NOT need is people not supporting them. Like Iran, for example.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind if you do Christian-baiting and outright flaming, but please don&#8217;t claim &#8216;noblesse&#8217; if you do. It may seem &#8216;patronage&#8217; to refer to your inability to grasp this distinction, but to be honest with you, I don&#8217;t know if your inability to grasp this distinction is in fact an honest on at all:  Your writing suggests you have the necessary intelligence:  is it not more like you don&#8217;t WANT to grasp this distinction?</p>
<p>Which is a question I would genuinely ask of the author of the article; and Begin, if he were here.</p>
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		<title>By: Martel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Europeans are trying to break free from the spell of political correctness, and they will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Europeans are trying to break free from the spell of political correctness, and they will.</p>
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		<title>By: mackykam</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We need no one to give us a right or supporting a right. You might reference the US Constitution: natural God-given rights. Americans don&#039;t need the US government to confer rights. Constitutional rights are natural rights. Conferring rights are immoral and unjust. Like Gay marriage. Or abortion.
Thanks  for your condescending patronage on my &quot;incapable&quot; shortcomings when it comes to distinctions.
I will take into account noblesse oblige and not respond to your being an asshole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need no one to give us a right or supporting a right. You might reference the US Constitution: natural God-given rights. Americans don&#8217;t need the US government to confer rights. Constitutional rights are natural rights. Conferring rights are immoral and unjust. Like Gay marriage. Or abortion.<br />
Thanks  for your condescending patronage on my &#8220;incapable&#8221; shortcomings when it comes to distinctions.<br />
I will take into account noblesse oblige and not respond to your being an asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: tickletik</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No that isn&#039;t the issue.  And no, I don&#039;t take orders from you.

The issue is this - do the Arabs understand very clearly that an attempt to take Israel by force will result in their destruction?   Do they understand that any form of damage or pain suffered by the people of Israel will be met with a level of pain and suffering that they will not be willing to tolerate?

That is the only question, and the only issue,  and currently the answer to both is NO THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT.   And part of the reason they do not understand that is because YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT.  Or rather, that is not the understanding of those who think like you,

And until the day comes when the level of pain and suffering for your current thought process outweighs the benefits of the same, you will not change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No that isn&#8217;t the issue.  And no, I don&#8217;t take orders from you.</p>
<p>The issue is this &#8211; do the Arabs understand very clearly that an attempt to take Israel by force will result in their destruction?   Do they understand that any form of damage or pain suffered by the people of Israel will be met with a level of pain and suffering that they will not be willing to tolerate?</p>
<p>That is the only question, and the only issue,  and currently the answer to both is NO THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT.   And part of the reason they do not understand that is because YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT.  Or rather, that is not the understanding of those who think like you,</p>
<p>And until the day comes when the level of pain and suffering for your current thought process outweighs the benefits of the same, you will not change.</p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Events in Europe and the US are moving quickly beyond anyone&#039;s control, the law of unintended consequences is coming to fruition and everyone is wondering why nationalist movements are scaring the bloody daylights out of the leftist socialist paradigm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Events in Europe and the US are moving quickly beyond anyone&#8217;s control, the law of unintended consequences is coming to fruition and everyone is wondering why nationalist movements are scaring the bloody daylights out of the leftist socialist paradigm.</p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a very simple equation, no more muslims, no more problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a very simple equation, no more muslims, no more problems.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The distinction between &#039;giving someone a right&#039; and &#039;supporting someone&#039;s right&#039; that was lost on Begin, and apparently also lost on the author of the article above, also seems to be lost on you. I can&#039;t help you if you are incapable of making the distinction, but I would urge you to do it for Israel&#039;s sake.
I&#039;m not going to fall for your Christian-baiting.

Israel needs its allies as every nation does, and it should value them and honor them, as emotional intelligence requires.  I consider your behavior contrary to Israel&#039;s interests.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distinction between &#8216;giving someone a right&#8217; and &#8216;supporting someone&#8217;s right&#8217; that was lost on Begin, and apparently also lost on the author of the article above, also seems to be lost on you. I can&#8217;t help you if you are incapable of making the distinction, but I would urge you to do it for Israel&#8217;s sake.<br />
I&#8217;m not going to fall for your Christian-baiting.</p>
<p>Israel needs its allies as every nation does, and it should value them and honor them, as emotional intelligence requires.  I consider your behavior contrary to Israel&#8217;s interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Texas Patriot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Israel needs to recognize itself as a sovereign state and act accordingly.   Nothing else is required.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel needs to recognize itself as a sovereign state and act accordingly.   Nothing else is required.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That may be true.  And he might very well have become the Hamas-Hugging, Hezbollah-Hugging dhimmi that he is without Begin&#039;s help.  But I stand by my claim that Begin&#039;s undiplomatic attitude probably did not help Israel in this case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That may be true.  And he might very well have become the Hamas-Hugging, Hezbollah-Hugging dhimmi that he is without Begin&#8217;s help.  But I stand by my claim that Begin&#8217;s undiplomatic attitude probably did not help Israel in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: James_IIa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James_IIa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one is denying the right of the US to exist (except maybe its current president and his friends!).  But most of Israel&#039;s neighbors deny its right to exist, so requiring them to rescind that denial as a condition for peace is actually reasonable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is denying the right of the US to exist (except maybe its current president and his friends!).  But most of Israel&#8217;s neighbors deny its right to exist, so requiring them to rescind that denial as a condition for peace is actually reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Bamaguje</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bamaguje]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pipe down tickletik. You don&#039;t seem to get my point.

Whether you acknowledge it or not, the central issue of Arab-Israel conflict is Israel&#039;s right to exist. If Arabs recognized the idea of a Jewish state in the Middle east, there would have been no conflict.

In fact Israel would have been born as far back as 1922 when British mandated Palestine was partitioned between Jews &amp; Arabs, with Arabs getting the lion share (77%) - which became Jordan.

All nations have an inherent right to exist, which is usually taken for granted. Hence no one questions America&#039;s or Japan&#039;s right to exist.
That unquestioned right of a nation to exist is denied Israel. Consequently, the Jewish nation is denied basic rights that other nations take for granted (e.g self defense). 
She is unduly pressurized into suicidal positions that is not required of other nations.

To use Mr Torossian&#039;s personal analogy to drive home the point - if people don&#039;t recognize and respect you as a human being, they may treat you like a dog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pipe down tickletik. You don&#8217;t seem to get my point.</p>
<p>Whether you acknowledge it or not, the central issue of Arab-Israel conflict is Israel&#8217;s right to exist. If Arabs recognized the idea of a Jewish state in the Middle east, there would have been no conflict.</p>
<p>In fact Israel would have been born as far back as 1922 when British mandated Palestine was partitioned between Jews &amp; Arabs, with Arabs getting the lion share (77%) &#8211; which became Jordan.</p>
<p>All nations have an inherent right to exist, which is usually taken for granted. Hence no one questions America&#8217;s or Japan&#8217;s right to exist.<br />
That unquestioned right of a nation to exist is denied Israel. Consequently, the Jewish nation is denied basic rights that other nations take for granted (e.g self defense).<br />
She is unduly pressurized into suicidal positions that is not required of other nations.</p>
<p>To use Mr Torossian&#8217;s personal analogy to drive home the point &#8211; if people don&#8217;t recognize and respect you as a human being, they may treat you like a dog.</p>
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		<title>By: tickletik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tickletik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 05:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why?  Why do we require this endorsement?  Why do we need it more than say Uganda or Bahrain?

It is precisely this attitude of servile begging and scraping that puts us in the position of needing validation.

When you go to a restaurant do you ask everyone in the room to sign a paper affirming your right to eat there?

Do you ask your date for permission before you kiss her, or do you have  her sign a document affirming your right to seduce her?

I have an idea.  Why don&#039;t you go onto Wall Street and carry a sign saying &quot;I am a pathetic miserable Jew, please affirm my existence by spitting in my face&quot;.  Go there in your best suit and sit on the ground with this sign, I am sure it will get you the love and respect of everyone around you.

No one respects a coward Bamaguje.  Get that through your head right now and you will be a happier man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why?  Why do we require this endorsement?  Why do we need it more than say Uganda or Bahrain?</p>
<p>It is precisely this attitude of servile begging and scraping that puts us in the position of needing validation.</p>
<p>When you go to a restaurant do you ask everyone in the room to sign a paper affirming your right to eat there?</p>
<p>Do you ask your date for permission before you kiss her, or do you have  her sign a document affirming your right to seduce her?</p>
<p>I have an idea.  Why don&#8217;t you go onto Wall Street and carry a sign saying &#8220;I am a pathetic miserable Jew, please affirm my existence by spitting in my face&#8221;.  Go there in your best suit and sit on the ground with this sign, I am sure it will get you the love and respect of everyone around you.</p>
<p>No one respects a coward Bamaguje.  Get that through your head right now and you will be a happier man.</p>
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