To Roger Waters of Pink Floyd & Other Israel Haters

rwWednesday night, Tel Aviv jammed with the first-ever Israeli concert for the legendary Rolling Stones. Fifty thousand Israelis loved the concert with what many people consider the greatest band in the world.  Israeli media tracked them touring the country – and their only complaint seemed to be the brutal heat, with Mick Jagger saying at the outset of the concert, “I need some water; hang on a sec.”

However, before they played, the two surviving founders of Pink Floyd sent the Rolling Stones an open letter urging them to cancel the concert “to demonstrate solidarity with the Palestinian people and their struggle against occupation.”  The Pink Floyd fools didn’t mention the hundreds of thousands who have been killed in the last two years only a few miles from Tel Aviv in Syria.  No mention of North Korea, Iran, the fact that homosexuals are killed everywhere else in the Middle East for being gay — but Israel they speak against.

Despicable anti-Semites.

They do not mention that the Rolling Stones – and all others – can’t play in most of the Middle East for a host of reasons.  And of these artists, Bob Dylan’s 1983 song “Neighborhood Bully” had it right, when he crooned about Israel:

“He’s criticized and condemned for being alive. We are supposed to turn a blind eye while millions of Israeli citizens are in danger. He’s not supposed to fight back, he’s supposed to have thick skin, he’s supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in. The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land—he’s wandered the earth an exiled man. Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn. He’s always on trial for just being born. He’s the neighborhood bully.”

Israel continues to thrive — and the nation will continue to shine. It’s simple: Israel is a civilized, liberal Western Democracy, the good guys in the region. From Justin Timberlake to Rhianna, Alicia Keys to Madonna, plenty of artists have played in Israel and will continue to.

Ze’ev Jabotinsky, the Zionist ideologue wrote many years ago:

“It is not the anti-Semitism of men; it is, above all, the anti-Semitism of things, the inherent xenophobia of the body social or the body economic under which we suffer. Instead of excessive apology and instead of turning our backs to the accusers – as there is nothing to apologize for, and nobody to apologize to – it is long overdue to respond to all current and future accusations, reproaches, suspicions, slanders and denunciations by simply folding our arms and loudly, clearly, coldly and calmly answer,’Go to Hell!’

And that is the proper answer to Pink Floyd and all other supporters of boycotting Israel.

Jabotisnky:

“Who are we, to make excuses to them; who are they to interrogate us? What is the purpose of this mock trial over the entire people where the sentence is known in advance? Our habit of constantly and zealously answering to any rabble has already done us a lot of harm and will do much more. The situation that has been created as a result, tragically confirms a well known saying: ‘Qui s’excuse s’accuse’ (He who apologizes condemns himself).

I consider this system to be false at its very root. We are hated not because we are blamed for everything, but we are blamed for everything because we are not loved.  We do not have to apologize for anything. We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to be better than the rest. We do not have to account to anybody; we are not to sit for anybody’s examination and nobody is old enough to call on us to answer. We came before them.  We are what we are, we are good for ourselves, we will not change and we do not want to.”

This PR firm owner says Israel needs to apologize to no one.

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  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Roger Water$,

    HAPPY ETERNAL NAKBA!

  • liz

    To the false accusation of “Islamophobia” we should also respond with Jabotinsky, “Go to h#ll!”

  • Bruce Arlen

    Pink Fraud!

    • montlasky

      That about sums him up!! Well said.

    • nomoretraitors

      Never really liked their music

      • Mike Jones

        Yeah they were a really average band right? LOL right.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          pink floyd is a band of racists, fascists and hypocrites.

          .

        • truebearing

          They were boring and self-righteous.

        • nomoretraitors

          Whether they were average or not does not change my opinion

      • bella

        I only liked one or 2 of there songs and it was the older 70′s songs i liked but I liked the stones songs much much more.

    • Ken Kelso

      hahah i like that. Pink Fraud.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Pinko Floyd.

        • Ken Kelso

          Pink Fraud is better.

      • Bruce Arlen

        Thank you very much Ken… if you like that, check out my new book Bamusers: Musings in Art at Amazon or B&N.

    • truebearing

      We used to call them “Pink Void.”

      In high school it was invariably the most liberal guys in our class who liked Pink Void. I always thought they were self-righteous, shallow poseurs. They were big on social posturing, short on musical interest. As well as I can remember, they had one song that I liked, in particular the melody, but their lyrics were never anything to brag about and frequently sucked.

  • Anamah

    And he is absolutely right…
    After Ronn Torossian and ZeévJabotinsnky, I would ask… how much we love you Israel.
    All of us understand has been Israel so essential and formidable for our Western world; even many of these idiots fighting for the boycott ignore or simply are unable to understand why all of them benefit by her magical existence and endless perseverance.

    • Mike Jones

      Did you say Israel has been essential and formidable for our Western world? Yes I don’t know what we would do if Israel wasn’t around for us to give billions of our tax dollars to every year while our national debt skyrockets.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        The entire World is forced to shell out trillions of dollars for overpriced OPEC oil.

        Oil used to be $10 per barrel. Now it’s close to $100 per barrel.

      • Phil

        You stupid bigot. If your brain contained a thinking apparatus that was bigger than the bigot/stupid part, you would understand how much Israel has contributed in medicine and science that has made the world a better place. By the way, stop going online because your computer was developed in Israel as was your phone and so many medical discoveries that are helping countless Americans to live a better life. Other than the gift of suicide bombing, exactly what have your buddies contributed to the world despite their trillions in oil re venue?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Mikes buddies

          - invented the word “assassin”
          - invented the world “islamophobia”

          - passenger plane bombings (Pan Am 103)

          - plane hijacking and lying to the passengers that if they don’t resist, they will be safe, but end up flying the hijacked plane into buildings.

          But wait! There’s more!

          - bombing London bus and the undergroud

          - beheading a British soldier IN London
          - Sharia Law No-Go Zones in Eurabia
          - Mall massacres in Kenya
          - 8 year Iraq/Iran war
          - Marathon bombing

      • truebearing

        Then Israel spends most of the few billion we give them to buy our fighters, etc. None of the multiple billions we waste on Muslims does us any good. it is used to attack us or Israel.

        Israel has made some very significant improvements on our military technology, not to mention advances in medicine, etc. Maybe the next time you decide to blurt something out you will check to se if you actually know what you are babbling about. Just a suggestion.

      • Dave dowunder

        I assume you live in the USA. If you do, do you realise that over 2/3rds of your foreign aid goes to Muslim countries. And you think Israel’s your problem. Maybe you should come clean and state what motivated you to make your rather silly comment.

  • Tributary

    We don’t need your misdirection.
    Shove it up you effing hole.
    You cataclysm of a human
    Waters, leave us Yids alone!
    Oi! Waters! W*nker!
    Leave us Yids alone.
    All in all you’re just another
    Pr*ck with no b*alls.

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    • truebearing

      I always hated that song.

    • Americana

      “We do not have to apologize for anything. We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to be better than the rest. We do not have to account to anybody; we are not to sit for anybody’s examination and nobody is old enough to call on us to answer. We came before them. We are what we are, we are good for ourselves, we will not change and we do not want to.” — Jabotinsky

      If the Israelis truly believe in Jabotinsky’s legacy, they will acknowledge that Jabotinsky likely wouldn’t have elevated Israel’s political ambitions above those of the Palestinians. He was a political pragmatist. He would see this current level of risk-taking for what it is — a gamble that may or may not pay off in the desired way. He was aware that the social and systemic fundamental injustices that led to what befell Jews all around the world throughout history are the millstone that have to be dropped from one’s shoulders. and he would hardly allow the same injustices to put Israel at risk after everything it has achieved.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        The PLO’s political ambitions are to destroy Israel. If Israel doesn’t elevate the political ambitions of its own people over those of its enemies, it will cease to exist.

        • Americana

          Daniel, I wish I could believe in the simplicity of what you’re suggesting. After all, it would be folly to believe the Israelis should honor Palestinian political ambitions over their own Israeli security and political ambitions. But it seems clear, to me, that there is folly inherent in not meeting the legitimate demand of the Palestinians for statehood. Besides, Israel has been given a very necessary security assurance by its recent membership vote into NATO in addition to its backing by the U.S. Just how much security assurance does Israel need to feel secure? Nothing will change its regional situation for aeons. Nothing can be legitimately undertaken that will change its regional situation for aeons. Israel as a country is in a limbo of sorts, but keeping the Palestinians in limbo isn’t achieving anything other than more war and more traumatic international situations.

          I’m not ignoring the avowed political ambition of some of the Palestinians and other Arabs that Israel should be destroyed. But though there is a percentage of Palestinians who wish to destroy Israel, there are others who wish to assume statehood and let bloody bygones be bloody bygones. Do I need to put up links to the Palestinian/Israeli peace groups who can see their way through to a two-state solution? There is only so long that someone can remain standing on the razor’s edge without moving forward or backward to alleviate the pressure. Pretending that one is not standing on a razor or that your feet aren’t being cut in half is a surety that you’ll lose something through your denial that you’re standing on a razor. The reality will always be you’ve only got X-number of choices.

          • truebearing

            Why do you persist in accusing the Palestinians of being liars? Both factions have made it perfectly clear, in repeated statements, that Israel has no right to exist. They don’t think Jews have a right to live. What part of that don’t you understand, or is your admitted denial preventing you from seeing things for what they are? Apparently, given the evidence in your most recent ten thousand posts, even the simplicity of truth is too much for you to apprehend.

            You seem to lack the capacity to understand even the most basic requirements of a peace settlement — that both sides have to want peace — and insist that Israel, which has acknowledged Palestines right to exist, must constantly meet more and more unreasonable demands, while the Palestinians have yet to meet the essential and indispensible requirement for a peaceful solution. Your “solution” is merely a facilitation of incremental genocide.

            I seem to recall you making a comment recently about the conflict between Israel and the Muslims over Palestine in which you described the establishment of Israel as: the Israelis injecting themselves into Palestine. I can go find the exact quote if you would like. “Injecting themselves” has a curiously hostile sound to it, which may explain your unctuous attempts to sound far-minded and deliberative. Simple truths don’t require deliberation, unless one is trying to complicate them.

          • Americana

            Both Palestinian factions have made statements in the past about wishing to abolish Israel/exterminate the Jews/purge the region of Jews (choose whichever of those is the MOST PC as far as you’re concerned as a Jew). Those statements are no longer applicable for the majority percentage of Palestinians who are wiling to have a peace agreement in which they settle for the 1967 borders. How many times does PM Abbas have to say that he recognizes that Israel will remain in the region for that to supersede the stupidity of the other Hamas guys saying the other? What don’t you understand about that statement of Abbas’? How many statements do I need to produce from Israelis and Palestinians who say they’re interested in PEACE NOW and yet they’re dismissed by people like you as ‘Lefties’ and ‘Commies’ and ‘Pali sympathizers?’ You say my solution is a facilitation of “incremental genocide.” But it certainly seems like there are a fair number of Israelis and American Jews who are quite willing to commit genocide under their own recognizance simply by following Biblical prophecy in a direction that no sane politician would encourage them to go.

            Be my guest, go find that statement of mine (if you CAN) and if you can twist it into ANY SORT of HOSTILE TONE, I’ll more than CORRECT your deliberate and obstructionist MISUNDERSTANDING. I’m tired of the Jewish bloc trying got silence other voices because they don’t march in lockstep w/particular perspectives in the American Jewish or world Jewish communities. I know that I am in good company among the Israelis who are interested in peace and who believe it can be achieved. These Israelis are by no means all Lefties, some of them are high ranking members of the Israeli Armed Forces, some active duty and some who are retired. If they of all people believe peace can be achieved then I feel I am in good company. I am not hostile toward Israel because I won’t allow Israel to run roughshod over the rights of everyone else in the Israeli-Palestinian equation. You tell us, you don’t think Israel is choosing a very dangerous course by attempting to revive the Balfour Declaration and sell it to the world as “The Israeli Solution” for REGIONAL PEACE? You don’t think it’s utterly bizarre that as difficult as Israel is finding it to defend the country she has now that it will be even less defensible if she takes over the rest of the region including Judea and Samaria? Not because that is geographically questionable or strategically indefensible but because it INTENSIFIES and DOUBLES DOWN on everything that is currently wrong w/the Israeli-Palestinian situation? The cover of Glick’s book makes an excellent illustration for a book cover, as a sociopolitical reality for the region, it’s a guaranteed failure from Day One.

          • truebearing

            You seem to be ignorant of the fact that the two Palestinian factions have united. How can you pretend that what Abbas may have said is all that is necessary for trust in the peace process when Hamas has repeatedly insisted Israel must be destroyed? Doesn’t that make the Palestinian house one that is divided against itself? And given that it does, doesn’t that make a peace settlement impossible?

            I didn’t dismiss any Israeli for wanting peace but I do dismiss the idiotic Left for working against the security and survivability of Israel. Saying “we want peace now” is akin to a toddler saying “I want a beer, now.” Neither are possible due to existential realities.

            “But it certainly seems like there are a fair number of Israelis and American Jews who are quite willing to commit genocide under their own recognizance simply by following Biblical prophecy in a direction that no sane politician would encourage them to go.”

            Isreali and America Jews are willing to commit genocide on who? Themselves? What are you talking about?

            “Be my guest, go find that statement of mine (if you CAN) and if you can twist it into ANY SORT of HOSTILE TONE, I’ll more than CORRECT your deliberate and obstructionist MISUNDERSTANDING.”

            You know you said it, so now you’re contorting yourself into a pretzel in anticipation of my quoting you. I guess that is the closest you can get to acknowledging guilt.

            “I won’t allow Israel to run roughshod over the rights of everyone else in the Israeli-Palestinian equation.”

            You won’t allow Israel to run roughshod, eh? And who are you that you have this messianic power? Judahlevi had you pegged perfectly. You sound like a self-deluded narcissist.

            I see, some of your best friends are Israelis… excuse me while I LOL!

            Going back to the 1967 borders is suicide for Israel. The Koran hasn’t changed, therefore neither have the Muslims. Lie like they will, the Left can’t create a mirage real enough to fool anyone who is sane into believing any promises Obama, Kerry, or the Muslims make.

            BTW, I’m not Jewish.

          • Americanca

            Why would I feel that any Palestinian unity government is necessarily a sign that the apocalypse is nigh? As for the Qu’ran being the be all determination of being able to secure a peace agreement, why is it there are peace accords w/Egypt and Jordan? I mean the Qu’ran certainly hasn’t been taken off their bestseller list so why should it have more meaning as a barrier to a peace agreement w/the Palestinians? Obviously, some Muslims and some Muslim governments do have some degree of trustworthiness. I see the divisions within the Palestinian factions as able to be manipulated in the present and maybe will eventually be assuaged during peacetime. As for what is defensible and what isn’t, I leave that to the Israeli Army veterans who are members of Combatants For Peace. If they are comfortable w/the 1967 borders, then I’ll be comfortable w/the 1967 borders. If they suggest other borders, that’s another story entirely. But considering NATO and the U.S. are committed to protecting itself to one degree or another, the entire issue of Israel’s defense goes above and beyond Israel and Israelis.

          • Americana

            Ooops, typo alert —– I meant “Israel” and not “itself” in that last sentence!

          • truebearing

            You should also issue a “thought alert.” Your ideas are far more dangerous than your typos.

          • truebearing

            “Why would I feel that any Palestinian unity government is necessarily a sign that the apocalypse is nigh? As for the Qu’ran being the be all determination of being able to secure a peace agreement, why is it there are peace accords w/Egypt and Jordan?”

            You’re a fool. I don’t say that in a malicious way, but simply factual. You have absolutely no understanding of Islam. If you did. you would respect the origin of Islamic motivation as necessarily coming from the Koran. It is their primary source for all jihadist beliefs.

            Tjhe peace accord with Egypt eneded with the Muslim Brotherhood takeover….or maybe you hadn’t heard about Obama’s failed “Arab Spring.” You really do ned to stay current.

            ” I see the divisions within the Palestinian factions as able to be manipulated in the present and maybe will eventually be assuaged during peacetime”

            Typical leftist. Overly confident in your ability to manipulate, rather than resolve.

            You are more than happy to leave it to the the dreamers who believe peace is possible, though you don’t believe it.

            “But considering NATO and the U.S. are committed to protecting itself to one degree or another, the entire issue of Israel’s defense goes above and beyond Israel and Israelis.”

            Is that so? So if NATO and the US are committed to defending themselves, why should Israel count on them to defend israel? Didn’t you say earlier that Israel was safe because of protection from the US and NATO? It seems you just refuted your own assertion.

            Excuse me while I laugh at your chimpings. You have provided no evidence to support your maunderings on this issue. It seems you are trying to isolate Israel. If that isn’t true, please don’t write anything, as it would be counter- productive. Everything you write only reinforces my contention that you are anti-Israel.

          • hiernonymous

            “You’re a fool. I don’t say that in a malicious way, but simply factual.”

            Just to be clear, the same truebearing who triumphantly declared that the establishment of a reaction force in Sigonella in 2013 was definitive proof that that same force had existed on Sigonella during the Benghazi crisis is publicly calling someone else a fool? Hmmm.

            ” You have absolutely no understanding of Islam. If you did. you would respect the origin of Islamic motivation as necessarily coming from the Koran. It is their primary source for all jihadist beliefs.”

            Oddly, you yourself write as someone whose deep understanding of Islam draws on deep, deep study of blogs. How did you come by your intimate understanding of what Muslims believe, your nuanced insight into their motives? How did you determine that the words of the Qur’an (which, if I’m not mistaken, you are unable to read) are the driving motivator of all Muslim activity? You are suggesting that a millennium and a half of tradition, interpretation, and experience has been thrown out the window?

            Did Morsi declare war on Israel before he was overthrown in a military coup? Was the MNFO put on notice to depart? Or do you have other support for your contention that he abrogated the peace treaty with Israel?

          • Americana

            Thanx for clarifying a few relevant things for truebearing, hieronymous. My sincere hope is that the treaty w/Israel will continue to hold through all of Egypt’s turmoil. So far, I see no signs it will be terminated. It’s oddly telling to me that someone like truebearing can write blah blah blah… But, oops I’d better exit Stage Left for a COOLING OFF PERIOD before I blow a gasket.

          • truebearing

            If the Quran and the Hadiths aren’t the motivation of Muslims, why do Muslims insist they are? Now you know more about what motivates Muslims than Muslims? That sounds about right. You’re arrogant enough. Only a complete idiot would fail to look at the teachings of a religion when trying to understand the behavoir of the adherents, especially when they are attacking and killing those they call “infidels” at an alarming rate. And they are doing so while openly claiming the inspiration is coming from the teachings of Islam, but you know more about their motivations than they do.

            “You are suggesting that a millennium and a half of tradition, interpretation, and experience has been thrown out the window?”

            Not at all. Islam began as a brutal cult of war and violence and it hasn’t changed. Only a Muslim would make the defense you are attempting of Islam. When did you convert, or have you been a Muslim your entire life?

            You’re no military intelligence expert. Last week you were defending the ridiculous theory that the Joint Chiefs were somehow responsible for Benghazi, apparently confused as to how the chain of command works in the US military.

            We sent commandos to Sigonella, but they were sent too late, not because of the Joint Chiefs somehow failing, but because of the combined incompetence/indifference of Obama and Hillary. Don’t try to do your usual obfusaction of the issue. Hillary and Obama failed to provide beefed up security, despite repeated requests from Stevens. They also failed to have assets in a posiltion where they could respond to problems in Benghazi…the hottest Islamist zone on earth at the time. Again, the Joint Chiefs didn’t fail at anything. We had adequate assets, we just didn’t have adequate leadership.

            Sigonella also had C-130 gunships which could have gotten to Benghazi in two hours, if the CIC would have been doing his job by putting the proper assets on stand-by.

            You have still failed to offer a sane argument for putting the blame for Benghazi on the Joint Chiefs. It was a stupid theory that you chose to defend, but you can’t.

            Morsi’s intent was painfully obvious and the only reason he failed to carry out his agenda was because he was overthrown by the military. Maybe he wasted too much time crucifying innocent Coptic Christians, or burning their churches.

          • Americana

            You and your pet idiocies! I’d opt for a dog (they’re a lot more tactile) but what do I know? I’ll let hieronymous eviscerate this post. I’ve had it w/you and your failure to understand and appreciate what it means in the general scheme of things for the Joint Chiefs to have RECOGNIZED THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT LOGISTICS GAP in covering Libya which they rectificed by INSTALLING A Rapid Response Force in Sigonella a YEAR after Benghazi. hieronymous got my point exactly right — that the JCs recognized the logistics gap and they rectified it. I wasn’t blaming them for their actions that night. DOH.

            Until Benghazi actually had occurred, the Joint Chiefs and everyone else in the tactical chain wouldn’t have KNOWN that there was a LOGISTICS FAILURE likely to happen thanks to their deployments. **Deciding to COPE w/THREATS by switching up one’s security picture is NOT the same thing as EXPERIENCING TACTICAL FAILURES.** Oy, vey. Keep making those claims of yours though. Ignorance leads a CHARMED LIFE on this BB. Oh, and make sure that you add Drakken’s “I heard it all on the unencrypted radio” OPEN MIC TALENT NIGHT for the U.S. Armed Forces factoid to your Benghazi narrative. That is the real kicker to reality on here. Outright lies are propagated like they’re NOT LIES.

          • hiernonymous

            Re the motivations of Muslims: as usual, your reading comprehension has let you down. Nobody has suggested that the Qur’an doesn’t play a role; it’s the idea that quotations from the Qur’an provide anything close to a comprehensive picture of what motivates Muslims that is absurd. Calvinists, Catholics, and Copts all look to the Holy Scripture for their inspiration, yet they clearly come to some significantly different conclusions. Significant numbers of Christians have been motivated by an interpretation of predestination that is much younger than Islam – plainly, there is more at work than simply the text of the scriptures. Similarly, in Islam, centuries of tradition and custom play at least as significant a role in the lives and motivation of Muslims than as your selective quotations of the Qur’an.

            Only a Muslim would make the defense you are attempting of Islam.

            Can you support this premise, or was it divinely inspired? Your logic is wanting, as is your wont.

            You’re no military intelligence expert. Last week you were defending the
            ridiculous theory that the Joint Chiefs were somehow responsible for
            Benghazi, apparently confused as to how the chain of command works in
            the US military.

            There’s an aphorism: “never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.” I’ve been giving you the benefit of that doubt for a while, but when you have been corrected on your characterization of another’s position by that individual, and you continue to rely on that mischaracterization, you are making a false statement wittingly – in short, you are lying. Let’s look:

            H to TB (4 days ago): “That’s not how I read it. I took from her argument that the decision to
            establish a reaction force at Signella was tacit acknowledgement that
            there had been no asset to call on earlier. I don’t think she was
            making the claim that “Benghazi was the Joint Chief’s fault.” She’ll
            have to weigh in on that if she so chooses… I don’t know if your tendency to oversimplify is a rhetorical gambit or
            a limitation in your attention, but you should be able to understand
            that I’m not arguing that Benghazi was the Joint Chief’s fault; I’m
            acknowledging that Americana has a point in noting that the
            establishment of a reaction capability at Sigonella is one piece of
            evidence in support of the contention that there was no comparable asset
            for the COCOM commander or his subordinates to deploy on the night of
            Benghazi. It’s not really difficult or complicated.”

            There are other statements to that effect, but that one alone is enough to demonstrate that any continued portrayal on you part of my argument either involving an operation role for the Joint Chiefs, or that the Joint Chiefs were responsible for Benghazi, involves you deliberately saying something you know to be false in order to avoid confronting facts and arguments you find uncomfortable. (I note that you have, as yet, been unable to respond to the discussion of the many, many other threats in theater at that time. Take your time.)

            We sent commandos to Sigonella, but they were sent too late, not because
            of the Joint Chiefs somehow failing, but because of the combined
            incompetence/indifference of Obama and Hillary.

            There were SOF troops on a training mission in Croatia that were pulled out and sent to Sigonella on an emergency basis; they obviously arrived too late to intervene in Benghazi. Nothing about that suggests indifference by Obama or Clinton; they were engaged in another mission. We permanently sent some in 2013, in order to stand up a capability that did not exist on the night of Benghazi. That was Americana’s whole point. Nothing about that suggests that the Joint Chiefs were “at fault,” or even that it was the reason Benghazi happened; it – as has been pointed out to you several times now – is one of many pieces of evidence, in this case in support of the contention that there were no military assets immediately available for deployment to Benghazi.

            Pentagon spokesman George Little said otherwise: “As for reports that an AC-130 gunship could have been dispatched over
            Libya at the time of the attack, Little was clear that ‘there was no
            AC-130 within a continent’s range of Benghazi’ that night.” (See also this article.

            You have still failed to offer a sane argument for putting the blame for Benghazi on the Joint Chiefs.

            I have yet to offer any sort of argument at all, sane or insane, for putting the blame for Benghazi on the Joint Chiefs. I have supported the following argument: the Chiefs’ decision to stand up a permanent special operations capability on Sigonella in 2013 supports the contention that there was no comparable capability existing on Sigonella in 2012. Exactly nothing about that argument places blame on the Joint Chiefs, suggests an operational role for them, or even suggests that Benghazi happened because of the absence of such a capability.

            Morsi’s intent was painfully obvious and the only reason he failed to
            carry out his agenda was because he was overthrown by the military.

            Morsi was in power for much longer than al Sisi has been, and more legitimately – yet al Sisi has already sentenced over 1000 people to death, an achievement that Morsi couldn’t hope to match. If you’re suggesting that Morsi wasn’t in power long enough to make such a move, how is it that al Sisi, who only consolidated power a few days ago, was able to move so much more aggressively?

          • hiernonymous

            Crickets?

          • Americana

            (( http://cfpeace.org/?cat=6&story_id=654 ))

            Here’s just one of the Israeli peace organizations I keep track of. If Israeli Army members believe peace is achievable, I say let them try to achieve it. Here are hundreds of Israeli veterans who are willing to achieve peace now. I’d say they carry a little more weight than someone like you saying they’ll never be able to achieve it.

          • truebearing

            Hundreds? Should I laugh or cry? That sounds like a decided minority. What about the majority that agree with me?

            Nice try, ankle biter.

        • Americana

          This was a statement from PM Abbas from during the latest round of failed talks. This is one continuous section of a story that appeared on allvoices.com in Jan. 2014.
          _____________________________________________________

          Prime Minister Abbas: “First, the two-state vision must become real, in which the State of Israel will live alongside the State of Palestine on the 1967 borders in security and stability,” Abbas said.



          “The second most important section is that East Jerusalem be the capital of the Palestinian state. Jerusalem will remain open to all religions with arrangements between the two parties.”

          

He added: “I say to the Israeli people we are neighbors. We fought many wars against each other and I pray to God that these wars are over. We consider them and the use of force part of the past.”

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Here’s another statement from Abbas

            http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3774.htm

            “As far as I am concerned, there is no difference between our policies and those of Hamas. So why are they labeled as terrorists? In my opinion, [the EU] can remove Hamas [from the list], why not?”

            You can choose which Abbas to believe. How about this one.

            http://blog.camera.org/archives/2011/02/palestinian_journalist_behind.html

            As reported in the Palestinian Authority daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida one day earlier, Abbas spoke in favor of an Arab war against Israel, stating: “I have said more than once that if the Arabs want war – we are with them.”

            Likewise, Abbas was quoted in Jordan’s al-Dustur in 2008, “At this present juncture, I am opposed to armed struggle because we cannot succeed in it, but maybe in the future things will be different.”

          • truebearing

            Yeah, but those quotes don’t count. She didn’t get them approved by Hiero and they don’t fit her false narrative.

          • Americana

            Why would you think I need hieronymous’ approval for quotes? Unlike you, I haven’t bothered to build a false narrative rendering the Palestinians into Fakestinians and I’m quite willing to admit there are conflicts within the Palestinian narrative toward Israel which, considering the situation, is understandable. I don’t believe it’s legitimate to use quotes from 1948 or 1967 or 1982 or 1988. People’s — and nation’s — opinions and perspective change. Use the LATEST, MOST CURRENT quotes reflecting someone’s political stance, full stop. As for attempting to distinguish between what is and isn’t rhetoric vs genuine political aims, that’s for the negotiations and the negotiators to decide. As far as I’m concerned, it DOESN’T MATTER what any of those Palestinians suggesting military force say, because the fact is Israel has never BEEN in a BETTER SITUATION MILITARILY. She’s been accepted into the United Nations for a reason and it’s not to undermine her political situation.

  • Johnny Palestine

    Waters emboldens all that I despise about the British elites. While the British hide the facts that this miserable island is the source of the War of 1812, WW1 to destroy Europe and bury her in debts in planning WW2; the British influenced Versailles Treaty enraged the Germans as they knew it was going to. Central Banking became an art form in London and now today home to Islamic “charities” and Israel hating publications while BRITAIN ILLEGALLY OCCUPIES GIBRALTAR ( if we judge Britain in the way Britannia judges Israel), FALKLANDS and the BRITISH VIRGIN ISLANDS. How brave Paul McCartney and the Stones are for going to Israel.

    • mk9772

      And Waters actively criticizes his home country for every one of those things. At least he’s not a hypocrite.

      • Johnny Palestine

        I call your bluff. Has Waters boycotted the UK for its ILLEGAL OCCUPATION of GIBRALTAR?? NO

        Has Waters boycotted France for its ILLEGAL OCCUPATION of Nouvelle Caledonie?? NO

        Waters called on the UK govt to return the Falklands. Has Waters boycotted the UK over it?? NO

        • mk9772

          Have the people of Gibraltar asked for their independence from the UK?? NO

          Have the people of Nouvelle Caledonie asked for their independence?? Some yes but mostly NO (they have the Democratic processes in place to determine their own destiny).

          Have the people of the Falklands asked to be returned to Argentina? NO BECAUSE THEY NEVER WERE PART OF ARGENTINA

          Have the Palestinians asked for their independence? YES

          Waters has stated that he is embarrassed by the UK’s colonialism days, but that since the people of those lands are now decidedly pro-British there’s nothing that can be done about it now. You’ll note that he does not have the same opinion about places like South Africa, to which he compares Israel. And you will note that he spent most of his time during the Falkland war in America, so yes he did boycott the UK during that time.

          Israel deserves its place in the world. Israelis are a good people. But what they are doing to the Palestinians is wrong, even though they are doing it out of an understandable fear.

          • Americana

            Yes, to this. Lauding the Israelis and Israel for all the good things emanating from Israel doesn’t negate the other aspects of the Israeli political stance that are so damaging to itself and the region. Look at Caroline Glick’s book promoting “The Israeli Solution” to the regional trauma by reviving the Balfour Agreement and giving Judea and Samaria to Israel. If we don’t have peace and stability in the region now, when we’ve only given X-amount of land to the Israelis, imagine what will happen should Judea and Samaria be given to Israel for further expansion. This nonsensical courting of regional disaster on the basis of Biblical prophecy is simply not logical nor is it wise geopolitical strategy for the rest of the world.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            What good has come from “Pal-e-SWINE”?

            Plane hijacking, assassination of US Senator Robert F. Kennedy, kidnapping, rockets, child sacrifice?

          • Americana

            Are you purposely this disingenuous? Child sacrifice? Both the Palestinians and the Israelis are going to continue to pretend the other side indulges in child sacrifice?

            Nothing good has come from the long-term jihad of the Palestinians but we don’t have a clue what the upper limits would have been for the Irgun if they’d been thwarted for 70 years over the creation of Israel. Especially once the Holocaust had concluded and the extent of the bloodshed was known, I don’t think the Irgun would have exhibited such admirable scruples over their targets and their execution of those missions as when they began. They called about bombs to give advance warnings but would that have been done past a certain point?

            This perspective is just as applicable to the Palestinians. They knew they weren’t getting anywhere decade after decade of no peace talks and no movement toward a Palestinian state and so they increased the sensitivity of their targets for political impact. Disgusting, hideous that the Paletinians have chosen to kill Israeli innocents but if you’re effectively imprisoned in a prisoner of war camp, you’re not going to continue to obey human scruples when your captors refuse to see you as human and refuse to grant you a logical request. Let’s try Palestinian statehood and see where that moves the diplomacy dial because the status quo is certainly not moving in the correct direction.

          • Drakken

            And there it is, your Marxist leftist agenda! In case it escaped your little leftist notice commi, but the rag head muslims lost the wars they started, good luck in your support and collaboration with the muslims.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            EVERYONE is a Winner in the Syrian Uncivil War.

            160,000+ dead in Syria, Arabs killing Arabs, must put a big smile on muhammed sour face.

          • retired

            What regional disaster do you have in mind? Do you really believe the BS put out by the Establishment Elites who hate Jews as well as hating America?Do you really believe the crap put out by traitors like Obama & Kerry (under orders from the NWO,today’s #1 anti-semites). Today in the Middle-East Libya is in a state of anarchy & Chaos,Egypt is becoming a failed bankrupted state & Syria is violently dying in a never ending civil war.Lebanon is now a vassal state of Hezbollah which is a vassal of Iran.Add to this Iraq is disintegrating into it’s component parts & Christian minorities are being murdered wholesale throughout the Moslem world.With all of this do you really think that if Israel’s problems with some Arab terrorists,if settled in favor of the terrorists,would bring peace to the Middle-East?
            The whole issue is a concocted plot on the part of the Elites ongoing war against the Jews,a minor issue in a region burning up in conflict !The whole prefabricated deal was set in place to murder the Jews & destroy Israel!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            SOCIALIST Elites in the UK and US and Eurabia.

          • Americana

            I don’t listen to propaganda coming from any one group. I prefer to read big fat books on the Middle East’s issues — from all sides of the political spectrum — including the HOW/WHAT/WHY/WHO behind the bloodshed and the irrationality that is the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. This helps to balance out the reading one gets from all sides.

            There is NO CONCOCTED PLOT on the part of elites to prevent the survival of the Jews and the survival of Israel. (Everybody and his brother thinks they’re the victim of plots. That’s the human condition to invent plots and counter-plots.) There is no point in comparing the fate of other Middle Eastern nations and thereby claim that Israel has a right to further complicate the geopolitical situation in the region.

          • Drakken

            Spoken like a true communist, all things being equal, when it is as clear as day they aren’t. It is a very simple concept that you fail to grasp, there is right and there is wrong. If you side with the muslims, you are an enemy period. Israel is of western civilization, end of story.

          • Johnny Palestine

            PALESTINIANS ARE THE CAUSE OF THEIR SUFFERING. Their disgusting blood lust hate constantly trying to kill and kidnap Israelis while much of the world and Israel strive to conquer diseases and improving this world. Palestinians deserve their fate. They are the authors of it. They force Israel to stridently defend themselves. The Jews are NOT the invaders. The Palestinians are the invaders. Their bloodline descends from Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon. And if I were the PM of Israel, they all would be on the next camel on their way to those miserable places.

          • Mike Jones

            Oh yes Israel is really trying to improve the world wahahaha. You are forgetting that Israel stole land from them and never gave it back. No wonder they are mad.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The UK is in national suicide mode, and expects the civilized world to follow their leap off the cliff.

            It ain’t gonna happen to civilized peoples.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Stole land? The Jews were in Israel first.

            Long before the prophet of Satan called Muhammed crawled the earth.

            Your boys are mad because the Israelis are not the unarmed Jews of WW2 naz i filth infested Europe.

          • retired

            Jones,you have sh*tb for brains.You heard a few sound bites & cliches from places like CNN or BBC & you regurgitate the whole propaganda spiel as though it was true beyond doubt.It is hard to argue with a fool who heard that the earth is flat & then repeats the ridiculous garbage while puffing up his chest & pretending that he’s a wise individual.It is something like having a disagreement with my cat!
            It is difficult,but I will try.It will probably be useless because people like you disregard inconvenient facts & disagreeable logic,you are in your own fantasyland!
            1)where are the documented facts to back up your claims that “Israel stole Arab land? You can’t find these facts because they don’t exist outside of your simple mind!
            2)Britain,after WW1,took 78% of Mandated Palestine & gave it to the Arabs.Today it is called Jordan.As a result the Jews were left with only 22% of their promised homeland.
            3)What you call the west bank(ancient Judea & Samaria)was unilaterally seized by Jordanian forces when Jordan attacked the State of Israel in 1948.This area was not Arab land,it was disputed land & Jordan settled the dispute by force of arms.In 1967 the Jews reversed the situation.
            4)There never were Arab Palestinians,prior to 1948 the Jews in the mandated territories were the Palestinians.They were represented as the Palestine Post,the Palestine Philharmonic.Also The Palestine Brigade which fought against the Nazi’s as part of the British Army in WW2 as well as other Jewish institutions of the time.They even had a Chief Rabbi of Mandate Palestine,Rav Kook….. If you are wondering,he wasn’t an Arab!
            Jones,I can go on & on but I don’t believe it will make a difference to you.You have been brainwashed & are probably beyond new ideas.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Phil AKBAR!

          • Drakken

            The Israeli’s didn’t steal anything, they won it in war the rag head muslims started, to the victors go the spoils.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            That’s why it’s…

            Happy ETERNAL NAKBA Pal-e-SWINE!

          • Drakken

            Amen!

          • mk9772

            If your attitude in life is “to the victors go the spoils”, then you really have no place questioning when others go to war to obtain some of those spoils, do you? Whether it’s the Russians or the Palestinians or Roger Waters or the Nazis or the Americans or the British or the Taliban or even the Devil himself.

          • Drakken

            I really do hope the fakestinians go full jihad and the Israelis can finally be rid of them. Socialist little bed wetters like yourself always find out the hard way what nature is all about, and it sure doesn’t side with you folks. Everything in life is to the victor, never the vanquished.

          • truebearing

            Roger Waters has gone to war? LOL!!! No, he has hidden behind his undeserved celebrity, pretending he is influential and powerful. A commom delusion among leftists.

            May I say in all sincerity, you are living in a profound delusion.

          • Johnny Palestine

            Your name suggests that your bloodline comes from England. The home of actual and attempted land theivery from Australia to Colombia.

            LEAVE GIBRALTAR!!!

          • lukefisher

            What about Irgun?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Irgun fought and defeated Islamofascists.

          • lukefisher

            …and staged many murderous terrorist attacks that killed Allied troops during WWII. The outfit were the founders of modern-day terrorism. Look ‘em up at wiki… They reached their goal quickly. Wasn’t former Israeli Prime Minister Begin involved with the outfit? Ironic, given that he later won the Nobel Peace Prize.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            pukefisher, In your brain damaged mind you’ve confused the Irgun with national Socialist filth.

            Tomorrow is a sad day for you. It’s the 70th anniversary of the D-Day invasion.

            Sad for you because it led to the unconditional surrender of your heroes.

          • lukefisher

            You should look up Irgun. Seriously. Have a look and let me hear what you think about their motives and methods.
            PS My parents both served in the Canadian military during WWII – dad in army, mom in Navy. My father’s armored car regiment was 12th Manitoba Dragoons, which went into France two days after D-Day and was later a big part of the liberation of the Netherlands. Canada’s beach was JUNO BEACH and I hope the world notices it! It’ be good if you learned about D-Day!
            Canadian

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Good for your parents. If they were decent, they would be ashamed of you for being an Socialist AHole.

            The Irgun fought the British and the Arabs and defeated both.

            More accurately the British ran away from the Jews…

            expecting that without British “protection”, the Israels would be massacred as they were just 3 year earlier in WW2- but it didn’t work out the way they expected.

          • lukefisher

            Terrorists triumphant.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Terrorists and Socialists DEFEATED.

            Like the national SOCIALISTS who surrendered, unconditionally on May 7, 1945 to the US, UK and miffed Soviet SOCIALIST Union.

          • Americana

            More accurately, the British didn’t have the political will to do what it would take to defeat the nascent Israeli armed forces who had adopted terrorist tactics after the conclusion of WW II when the scope of the Holocaust was revealed. The British had held firm and suddenly had no political will to continue to do so. I admire them for having granted the Israelis a homeland. After the events of WW II that spanned all of Europe, creating a Jewish state was the only course to take. To allow those victims of the Holocaust to be sheltered within a Jewish state was the only way to help thousands of them to heal psychologically. But the British left because, when you can’t sell that kind of (im)morality of irregular warfare and its death rate to your citizenry, you leave the field. I’d hardly call that a victory in the sense you’re claiming victory. But let’s see if, when the next war comes thanks to Israeli intransigence on the issue of a Palestinian state and given this resurrection of the Balfour Agreement, how the rest of the world feels it must handle the diplomatic impasse. As you say, it might not work out the way they expected.

          • Drakken

            There will never ever be a fakestinian state, period, the rag heads want every Jew in Israel dead. I hope the next time those bloody rag heads, when they have their next little tantrum, that Israel gives them a wonderful taste of Carthage as a response.

          • Drakken

            Your talking out of your azz Sparky, it never happened. The Irgun came after WW2. What do they teach you people today? By the way, if you love those bloody Islamic wogs so much? Go join them, I hear Rachel Corrie is absolutely screaming for company and is lonely.

          • lukefisher

            Look it up at wikipedia. It details Irgun’s founding and leadership and methods, etc… Started years before WWII.
            Also, Irgun’s goal was reached when Israel was founded in 1948.

          • Drakken

            Open up a bloody history book for Christ’s sake! Most of the Irgun fought with British Forces during the war. It was only after the war that they fought for independence. Your entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

          • lukefisher

            Is wikipedia wrong?
            If so, why?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Present the quote that supports your claim.

          • lukefisher

            The Irgun (Hebrew: אִרְגּוּן; full title: הָאִרְגּוּן הַצְּבָאִי הַלְּאֻמִּי בְאֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל Ha-Irgun Ha-Tzvai Ha-Leumi be-Eretz Yisrael, lit. “The National Military Organization in the Land of Israel”), was a Zionist paramilitary group that operated in Mandate Palestine between 1931 and 1948.
            If you need juicy details, go to wiki

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            What “juicy detail” supports your claim…

            “…and staged many murderous terrorist attacks that killed Allied troops during WWII.”

          • lukefisher

            A really big hotel was blown up. Look it up at wiki.

          • Drakken

            After the war, Geeezus!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            That’s it? A really big hotel? That’s your best shot?

            I’ll take your “really big hotel” and compare that to your pals 9/11, London transport bombing, Boston Marathon bombing, beheading of Lee Rigby, beheading of
            Daniel Pearl, boko haram kidnapping of 300 girls in Nigeria, stoning girls to death for wanting an education (muhammed likes his girls young, 9 years old and as uneducated and illiterate as himself).

            And the American “Irgun” defeated the British in the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812.

          • lukefisher

            They didn’t defeat the Brits in War of 1812.
            The Brits and Canadians won it.
            Canadian

          • Chavi Beck

            The “Really Big Hotel” being British army headquarters. That’s a military target, my friend, not a school bus or a pizza shop like your Pal pals favor. And Irgun phoned the hotel and warned everyone to clear out. The British ignored the call because in their arrogance they didn’t believe the Jews could have possibly planted a bomb. Obviously this is exactly the same as your favorite islamists beheading a journalist because of his ethnicity, or kidnapping 300 schoolgirls.

          • Drakken

            Gee whiz golly, you have to ask why wiki is wrong? Psssst leftist revisionist thought process goes into it.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Saint Pancake needs a date for the Darwin Awards dinner.

          • Johnny Palestine

            The fact is that England won over Spain in a war and has remained their ever since. GIbraltar is as English as London is English. France invaded Nouvelle Caledonie is as French as is the south of France. The French refused to allow the natives to work in the copper mines they built.

            The point is that if we judge GIbraltar and Nouvelle Caledonie as you judge Israel, then England and France are OCCUPYING foreign lands and their countrymen refuse to even acknowledge it but they love to acknowledge Israel’s so called illegal occupation.

            The British are responsible for slavery in the New World, second to the Portuguese. British ships were involved in deporting Africans to the New World.

            Accept it. To the victor goes the land even if one is a Jew.

          • Drakken

            What those goddamn forsaken muslims savages get in fakestine get is what they bloody well deserve. The Israeli’s have been far to nice to them, I would give them the ultimatum that if one more rocket, mortar or rifle shot goes into Israel proper, you will understand what a modern day Carthage looks like.
            You fawn over South Africa like it is some paradise, it is not, it is turning into Rhodesia everyday and white genocide is the norm. Silly do gooder morons like you give moral equivalence to our enemies in the hopes they will like and respect you, they won’t and look at you utterly useless leftist’s as nothing but canno fodder for the Islamic cause. I have nothing but contempt and loathing for weak, feckless leftist as yourself. You and others of your ilk deserve what is coming and I say good bloody riddance.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “F” the Left.

          • truebearing

            There are no “Palestinians.” The country never existed and the people who call themselves Palestinians are mostly Egyptians, Saudis, or Syrians. They should go back where they came from and then they’d have a homeland.

          • hiernonymous

            So, by your logic, there are also no Kurds, Chechens, Basque, or Roma?

            “They should go back where they came from …”

            The Israelis have nixed the right of return.

          • Drakken

            There are arabs, kurds, chechens(at least the Russians know how to deal with them) and inbred Iranians, and they are of the muslim world. The Basque and Roma are of the west, see the difference? And before you throw it out there like I know you will, the Roma are nomadic and from the India area. Everywhere the Roma go, they are a problem.
            Thank God(not allah) that Israel refuses to let it’s enemies inside its borders.

          • uleaveuswithnoalternative

            “Right of Return” for millions of people who have never even lived in Israel? Before the war in Israel in 1948, the Arabs living in Israel, were bombarded with fliers & radio announcements from the surrounding Arab nations.

            Arabs were told to flee Israel & come back once the armies of Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon, Iraq & Egypt had destroyed the Jewish nation & its people.
            The Arabs lost that war & those who fled into the neighboring Arab nations, were not allowed to return to Israel. For the Arabs who stayed in Israel, they & their descendants continue to live in Israel & enjoy full citizenship.

            The “Palestinians” who are now demanding their “right of return” number between 5-7 million. They are the DESCENDANTS of the 240,000 – 400,000 Arabs who fled Israel 68 years ago & the vast majority of them have never lived in Israel.

            No country on earth can afford an invasion of millions of hostile aliens whose only purpose is to destroy that nation.

            As for “Palestinians.” One of Yasser Arafat’s comrades, Zahir Muhse’in, a member of the PLO Executive Committee, said in a March 31, 1977 interview with the Amsterdam-based newspaper Trouw:
            “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity.
            In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.
            Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism.”

        • Drakken

          Thank God Gibraltar and Falklands belongs to the Brits, they won it fair in square in war, say wetback, don’t you have some human sacrificing to do there in that backwater of Columbia? ,To the Victors go the spoils, suck it up Sparky!

          • Johnny Palestine

            I am not saying they should return it you racist piece of trash.

            I am not Colombian nor Spanish. Why would anybody reading your ugly posts want to join you? You are a despicable ugly coward.

          • Drakken

            Well with a name like Palestine in it, it is obvious you have a hard on for the Brits, and take your race card and shove it up your 3rd world azz, because obviously you have mistaken me for some who gives a rats azz what you think.

    • Mike Jones

      The difference being the people in the Falklands actually want British to rule them. The Brits warned France that the Versailles treaty would only lead to more war but they wouldn’t listen. By the way if it wasn’t for Churchill, if the Brits had of made peace with Germany, the Nazis would of had control of the British as well as the French and Italian fleet and WW2 might have ended with the Germans as victors.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        The people in the Falkland Islands, in the Southern Hemisphere, far, far far away from the UK are…..

        British – have roots in Britain.

        Speak English – not Falklandese.

        BTW, Winston Churchill was the GREATEST MAN of the 20th century. What would he think of the current state of his homeland?

        I believe he would be disgusted by British appeasement and surrender of their culture.

      • Johnny Palestine

        Perhaps they warned but at the end of the day, they signed it.

  • mamabear

    Everything that Israel has blessed theworld with and these freaks hate HER , Yet G-d loves tham forever…If they hate Israel so much, then why don’t they quite using all the cell phones and medical and just about everything .send them back..but oh no, they are just takers, users and one day will be very sorry

  • yossi

    Enjoyed this post by Ronn Torossian – and read his materials at The Observer often as well: http://observer.com/author/ronn-torossian/

  • Metatrona

    You are wonderful, Ronn. The world could use clones of you in every country and every place. Thank you for being.

  • mk9772

    Did it occur to you that the reason Waters did not speak out against Syria, Iran, and North Korea was that the Rolling Stones had no intention of playing in any of those places?

    • iluvisrael

      They wouldn’t be allowed to, moron.

      • mk9772

        So because they are worst than Israel, that means Israel is good? That’s your sound logic?

        • Asher B. Garber

          So what you’re saying is, because you came up with a ridiculous analogy, we all have to think that you’ve got a point to make? It doesn’t work that way.

          • JeanJean

            Who came up with a ridiculous analogy? Ronn Torossian .If I criticize Pakistan is it my duty to say that North Corea is worse? That’s ridiculous, even if it’s true.

          • Rumpledforeskin

            at least learn how to spell North Korea first then we will take u seriously Jeanx2

          • Asher B. Garber

            What’s ridiculous are people who expect to tell the Rolling Stones to not play in Tel Aviv because, you know, there are all of those Jews there. But, yeah, let’s ignore the stupidity of BDS for sake of arguing about Israel again.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The Rolling Stones gave Pink BDS Floyd a big…

            http://recordmecca.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/cash-front.jpeg

        • iluvisrael

          Those who single out Israel for demonization are Jew haters.

        • lukefisher

          WELL SAID! EXACTEMENT.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Israel IS good compared to the Islamofascist and Socialist entities of Eurabia that are trying to dominate the civilized World.

        • Drakken

          Here let me help you out with your little leftist problem, Israel is a western democracy developed by western civilization, the bloody raghead muslims on the other hand are anti-civilization and are our enemies. To break it down further for you, Yes, Israel good, muslims, bad, see, so easy even you can do it now.

    • Jon Gans

      the rolling stones CAN’t play there ,because they kill musicians there. Mk9772 is a moron.

      • mk9772

        For a people who gets up in arms whenever someone calls them names, you sure do a lot of name calling to get your point across.

    • Cymbaline

      Waters speaking out against Israel has nothing to do with whatever band is playing there. The main reason is he’s just a leftist anti-semite. And a hypocrite.

      • Mike Jones

        Why is it that anyone who criticizes Israel is automatically called anti semitic. We are allowed to criticize any nation on earth with the exception of Israel.

        • Cymbaline

          Criticizing Israel isn’t necessarily anti-semitic. The BDS movement however, IS anti semitic.

        • lukefisher

          Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Try a tire patch kit.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Why is it that anybody who is against plane hijacking, girl kidnapping, cruise ship hijacking, sneaker bombing, underwear bombing, London transport bombing, Boston Marathon bombing, Pan Am 103 bombing, Lee Rigby beheading, journalist beheading…

          is automatically called “islamophobic”?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          We are allowed to criticize any person on earth with the exception of “muhammed”.

          Why is that?

          • Americana

            Because too many of the serious Muslims don’t have a sense of humor.

            But there are Muslims comics of a pretty rational calibre and eventually they’ll wear the bastards down.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Keep dreaming.

            If you think a Muslim comedian can defeat a Koran thumping savage, you’re dreaming or high.

    • Shel Zahav

      No, it didn’t occur to us because it isn’t true and misses the point.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      So it’s a war of the bands?

      Pink Floyd .vs. The Rolling Stones.

      LOL!

    • Rivkiiieeas

      Idiot they would get torn to pieces in 3 seconds. Or maybe you should go to Iran wearing an American flag on your shirt. Be our martyr?

  • nomoretraitors

    Boycott Pink Floyd

    • BS77

      Waters is senile. A lot of the these old fossilized rockers from the sixties are off their rockers. Roger Waters needs to get back to his nursing home. He’s a moron. It’s ironic that one of the makers of the anti totalitarian film The Wall would side with the most totalitarian entity on earth.

      • Cymbaline

        He’s not senile. I’m afraid it’s worse than that – He’s doing this with eyes wide open, with all his mental faculties, and with full knowledge of what he’s doing.

  • Jon Gans

    for the billionth time, there is NO occupation. Israel is more legal than the USA. And the only reason there are soldiers in the west bank is that whenever Israel leaves, the suicide bombings start again. Does Israel really wanna spend billions and risk its soldiers lives to keep the peace? It’s way past time for the arabs to rcognize Israel…..and if not, they should be NUKED.

    • mk9772

      You had me thinking you were a reasonable person until your last 4 words.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        “But what they are doing to the Palestinians is wrong,”

        You had me thinking you were a reasonable person until your above statement.

  • JERSEY FATMOUTH

    No more Stink Floyd!

  • Cymbaline

    Glad to hear David Gilmour isn’t in on this BDS kick that Waters and Mason are on. I really don’t want to have a reason to be angry at him.

  • Cymbaline

    Or replace that star of David on your inflatable pig with a big islamic crescent.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Of have one of the cartoons of mohammed emblazoned on rogers inflatable pigs.

  • lukefisher

    I’ll stay away from the hot topic in this piece to simply say that THE WHO are much better “live” than either of these bands – and they were decades ago.

    • WW4

      No doubt. However, not as good songwriters, pound for pound. The Who were a great band–maybe as good or better than Zeppelin live–but as songs go, in the tier just below Zep, Stones, Floyd. Some great stuff, but a lot of dross.

      • lukefisher

        Don’t forget how Led Zeppelin got their name.
        Half-educated Who drummer Keith Moon came up with it.

        • lukefisher

          WW4,
          I just re-read your last sentence and to say there’s lots of “dross” with the Who is stretching it. Zed Leppelin? Yawwwwn. Three or four good songs and a bore in concert. Song Remains the Same? Laughable bore. Jimmy Page vs. Pete Townshend – one a bore the other a giant in concert. I’ll hush up now.

          • Mike Jones

            You should hush up 90% of what the Who recorded is drivel. Everything Zep recorded except for Coda is a masterpiece. Coda was just something they had to throw together after John died due to a previously signed contract.

          • lukefisher

            Well, we’d both better quiet.

        • Dyer’s Eve

          No. It was actually the Who bass player John Entwhistle who came up with the name. He jokingly suggested that the then new band would go down like a ‘lead balloon’.

          • lukefisher

            I just checked online through google. Who actually came up with the name is still up in the air a bit. Rolling Stone magazine says that history seems to favor Moon’s claim,but does acknowledge Entwistle’s story. So who did it is still up in the air.
            If it was Moon, I have heard that it was because he was not so bright and instead of saying that Page, Plant would “go over like a lead balloon, he said “Led Zeppelin” – not knowing the difference. Plant, etc… thought it was hilarious and went with it as a name.

      • laura r

        different styles. stones are blues based, blk influence. the who is just alot of noise, like a cheerleading squad. saw stones live, thier 1st trip to the US.

    • Shel Zahav

      Were. Saw them twice.

  • Danny

    Awesome. Jabotinsky, Meir Kahane (may God bless their memories) were Jews as Jews should be: confident, proud, strong, and steadfast. We do not have to answer to anyone who resents our existence. Jews should fear God, not Roger Waters and not Noam Chomsky.

  • http://oldschooltwentysix.blogspot.com/ oldschooltwentysix

    Agree 100%.

    Hope this also appeared at Huffington Post, where it is more needed than here at FrontPage.

  • Shel Zahav

    Roger Waters has taken to wearing a swastika arm band.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      How Socialist of Roger.

    • laura r

      true?

  • herb benty

    Damn, I admire this Jabotinsky! A righteous people have no need to apologise to this evil bloody world for anything. And this, by chance, applies to America also Mr. Obama!

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      BO Hussein went on his apology tour of the Middle East,
      - groveling in Egypt
      - bowing to a Saudi King
      - embracing converts to Islam like Bergturds father
      - sending out the already discredited Susan Rice (blaming the infantile muhammed video for the Benghazi attack) to “explain” why 5 Taliban terrorists were exchanged for a deserter.

      • herb benty

        Obama has got to really be ashamed of the USA and Her history. What a rear end!

  • meanpeoplesuck

    Don’t you guys like to say “Shut up and sing”? I guess it only applies to the musicians who disagree with you. More RepubliNaziTard hypocrisy.

    • Drakken

      Mean people suck, but nice people like you swallow.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        LOL!

    • UCSPanther

      So says the idiot whose comment feed is all about disarming, silencing and persecuting Conservatives.

  • Zion Gadol

    Great article — So clear that they just hate Jews.

  • Drakken

    The main attacks on the British were from the arabs with German assistance, and they were DURING the war, the Irgun didn’t attack British targets until the war ENDED. The Irgun were disbanded in 48 and merged with the Israeli defense forces, so glad I could help you with your history lesson today.

    • lukefisher

      Well, at least you’re now admitting that they did stage terrorist attacks on British targets.

      • Drakken

        You have done a lot of drugs haven’t you? You really must get your time lines straight.

        • lukefisher

          Attacks were staged against Brits following the war, weren’t they?

          • Drakken

            You said the Brits were attacked before and during the war. Being precise is a Teutonic thing. You also might want to look who Glubb was during that period and the Arab Legion.

          • lukefisher

            You are the one who just stated that Irgun’s primary attack attacks against the Brits came after the war. Were they terrorist attacks or not. What country do you live in? Standards of education, etc… .

          • Drakken

            Yes it was a terrorist attack. You seem to have a lot of empathy and sympathy for the fakestinians? Why is that?

          • lukefisher

            I have little sympathy for all sides in that part of the world.
            What an incurable mess.

          • Chavi Beck

            It was a terrorist attack that Carefully Targeted Army Headquarters. Not a school bus. Not a kindergarten. Not a pizza parlor. Not a high school full of girls.

  • laura r

    good read. never got into those hippytypes. stones are non political, they are artists.

  • Drakken

    If you love and sympathize with those inbred muslim savages so much? Please by all means put your money where your jihadist loving mouth is and go join the cause.
    If you shot at my house, I would burn yours to the ground and call it a day, that is how you deal with islamic jihad.

    • mk9772

      And if you burn my house I murder your wife, then you murder my family, then I murder your neighborhood, then we both murder each other’s race. That’s how these things get started. If that’s how you like living your life then I am sure you are happy with the status quo. But don’t be shocked when other’s try to find a better way.

      And I must say, your honesty is refreshing. It makes the BDS movement a much easier sell to the rest of the world.

      • Drakken

        Extreme violence properly applied with ruthless efficiency always ends conflicts. Peace is just an illusion, war has always been inherent in mans nature and will be for another couple of millennia, your BDS movement are nothing but Marxists, traitors and Islamic sympathizers who sooner or later will be dealt with as they should be. Your hero Rachel Corrie is just screaming for company.

  • Mundus611

    This is the only press he receives, so why can’t the Jewish Press and others concerned with Israel’s existence cease . No one cares what he thinks.

  • Dyer’s Eve

    I hate to say this, but I like Pink Floyd. That is; the music. However, I have NEVER liked Roger Waters. He’s been a moaning, boring leftie for many a decade now. Just listen to his excruciating solo albums. His first being ‘The Final Cut’. Even though it was released as a Pink Floyd album, it was to all intents and purposes a Roger Waters album. Those who are familiar with the work will note how he rails against ‘Maggie (Margaret Thatcher)’. Apart from horribly dating the album to a specific period, he let slip his Bolshevist leanings.
    I have the grace not to comment on his ‘official’ solo albums.
    Roger Waters, mate… you’ve got more money than you can ever spend. So, shut your mouth and crawl back under your rock (no pun intended)! You have nothing to say. Also, please DO NOT punish us with another one of your solo albums!

  • RC

    Just a great article! This really cheered me up compared to all the depressing news.

  • joba

    Waters was in a mental institution…his songs are bitter…and the band dumped him and went on to bigger and better things

    • hiernonymous

      Waters? In a mental institution? Eh?

    • Rick

      Please know what you are commenting about! Syd Barrett was in and out of psych hospitals, he was replaced by David Gilmour musically by their second album and completely, musically and vocally, by their third.

  • laura r

    stones concert had 50,000 attending. the boycott failed, thats all you need to know.

  • The Other James

    > …the two surviving founders of Pink Floyd sent the Rolling Stones an open letter urging them to cancel the concert…

    I assume the second is Mick Mason, since David Gilmour wasn’t a founding member. I least I hope Gilmour isn’t in on this…

    • The Other James

      Sorry, s/Mick/Nick/