Texas Terror Enclave Exposed

eeuuThe Clarion Project just disclosed the existence of a terrorist enclave in Texas last week, bringing new attention to a network of at least 22 Jamaat ul-Fuqra “Islamic villages” across the country. Newly-declassified documents reveal that the FBI privately considers ul-Fuqra to be a terrorist group, but remains operational in the U.S. because of the State Department.

The “Islamic villages” belong to Muslims of the Americas, an extension of Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani’s Jamaat ul-Fuqra terrorist group. Its headquarters is “Islamberg” in Hancock, N.Y and two of the group’s seized videotapes prove that these sites are used for guerilla warfare training. One recording shows women at Islamberg in military fatigue receiving such instructions.

The FBI files released by Clarion confirm that the most loyal MOA members go to Pakistan for advanced religious and terrorist training under Sheikh Gilani. This travel is apparently done through an MOA entity named the American Muslim Medical Relief Team. The website has photos of members in Kashmir. The MOA has also posted videos of members working at “Gillaniville” under Gilani’s watch.

Last week, The Blaze aired a blockbuster half-hour episode of “For the Record” titled “Sleeper Cell” about Jamaat ul-Fuqra featuring the documents obtained by Clarion. The discovery of the camp near the town of Sweeny in Brazoria County, Texas was covered on “Fox and Friends” and the Fox News website. Media Matters immediately responded with a hit piece describing me as “anti-Muslim” that was then distributed by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). 

The Texas enclave has existed since the late 1980s, according to locals interviewed by ACT For America Houston. The FBI documents show that the Bureau discovered it following a tip from an informant in New York and detected the movement of trailers to the site in December 2001.

The site is referred to as “Mahmoudberg” by MOA members. In 2010, an MOA entity named the American Muslim Ladies Club established a Texas chapter at the enclave.

A 2007 FBI document says that the enclave hosts a former leader of the 440-acre “Baladullah” commune in California that was shut down and had armed guards, U-Haul dealership and even an airstrip. Its founder was convicted in 2006 of overseeing a charter school scam at the commune. Other members of Baladullah were arrested for illegal weapons trafficking and murdering a police officer.

One of the most interesting revelations from the Clarion Project report is that a shooting incident at Mahmoudberg took the life of one resident. It was ruled an accident by the police. However, the police were denied access to the trailers and were not allowed to directly interview the women, who covered their faces in the presence of the cops.

The report is a fatal blow to the MOA’s campaign to revamp its image. For example, it established the United Muslim Christian Forum. I attended one of their events and was told by one of the commune leaders that the group was trying “not to get into the bashing business anymore” because “we’re finding that certain things are a little bit too offensive.” He said the group stands by its past statements.

The Texas enclave is also linked to the MOA’s interfaith front. I was given videotape of a United Muslim Christian Forum event in 2009 that featured then-Binghamton Mayor Matthew T. Ryan as a speaker. The Master of Ceremonies was Idris Johnson, the registered agent for a MOA front on Mahmoudberg’s premises called the Muslim Model Community.

Johnson was also arrested for interfering with public duties on February 28, 2013. So was Nuh Abdullah and Muhammed Nurriddine was charged with reckless driving.

Almost every communication I received in response to the Clarion report and coverage on The Blaze and FOX News Channel asked how Jamaat ul-Fuqra/Muslims of the Americas is able to operate in the U.S. if the FBI’s own documents identify it as a terrorist threat.

The answer is the State Department has not designated Jamaat ul-Fuqra as a Foreign Terrorist Organization, though it was included in reports about domestic groups in the 1990s. On January 31, 2002, the State Department said:

“Jamaat ul-Fuqra has never been designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. It was included in several recent annual terrorism reports under “other terrorist groups,” i.e., groups that had carried out acts of terrorism but that were not formally designated by the Secretary of State. However, because of the group’s inactivity during 2000, it was not included in the most recent terrorism report covering that calendar year.”

The State Department’s own standards require it to label ul-Fuqra as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. The three criteria are that the group must be foreign; engaging in terrorist activity or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorism and it must threaten U.S. nationals or national security.

The newly-released FBI documents blow away any argument the State Department could use to defend its negligence. Two smoking gun quotes from a 2007 file are as clear as can be:

“The MOA is now an autonomous organization which possesses an infrastructure capable of planning and mounting terrorist campaigns overseas and within the U.S.”

“The documented propensity for violence by this organization supports the belief the leadership of the MOA extols membership to pursue a policy of jihad or holy war against individuals or groups it considers enemies of Islam, which includes the U.S. Government.”

Responsible reporters must relentlessly demand answers from the State Department in the wake of these new revelations.

The Institute on Religion and Democracy contributed to this article.

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  • davarino

    Well that figures, beings how the Muslim in Chief is aiding and abbetting our enemies

    • ObamaYoMoma

      He and the federal government in totality, along with Congress and both major political parties in America are all aiding and abetting our Islamic enemies.

    • Jeanne DeSilver

      Obama’s administration is in support of U.N. Resolution 16/18 which would criminalize any criticism of Islam. Not only would such a resolution be a violation of our First Amendment as guaranteed by our Constitution, but it would lend support to the Muslim Brotherhood’s mission of imposing Islamic Sharia law upon our land.

  • Bamaguje

    Muslims are no Amish.
    The followers of Mohammed should never have been allowed to establish isolated communes or enclaves. They couldn’t have been up to any good.

    • swemson

      Winston Churchill understood the evil of Islam when, in 1899 he wrote:

      “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the
      faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

      Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled,
      the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

      We need to heed Churchill’s words, and learn from the experiences of several European nations who are rapidly losing their very identity to the Muslim invaders of today.


      • herb benty

        Was wondering why Obama sent back that bust of Churchill. So, we have a smooth talking Farakhan as POTUS…crap.

        • swemson

          He sent the Churchill bust back as an intentional insult to Great Britain because the Brits once jailed his (alleged) father for participating in a Kenyan independence movement.

          The most accurate description of Obama is that he’s an anti-colonialist. His hatred of Great Britain is deep, perhaps even greater than his hatred of America…


          • herb benty

            America, Canada or Australia has never “colonized” any country.

          • swemson


            In fact all three began as British colonies… & Canada & Australia are STILL member nations in the British Commonwealth.

            America of course was “colonized” by the Brits as well, and it took a rather violent revolution well over 200 years ago for us to get free of them…

            So what point were you trying to make?


          • herb benty

            What England did long ago is not what Canada, America and Australia have done. All three have not gone to other countries and enslaved the people there. That is my point.

          • swemson

            Sorry, but I still don’t get your point…

            Obama sees both Great Britain and America as colonialists, that have exploited both the people & resources of 3rd world nations.. Great Britain of course has a longer history of this than America….

            You asked why Obama sent back the bust of Churchill, & I answered you…


          • herb benty

            Neither America nor Britain are “exploiting” anyone or anything. Starting up a copper mine in some hellhole that employs many locals is not “colonialism”. Obama sent back the bust of WC because Britain and America are not communist, like him. Obama and his Dems are atheistic evolutionist, If America is the “fittest”, why interfere? Anyway, fine, it’s just that what you said could have come out of any one of our Marxist professors that infest our universities. All of humanity “colonized” someone else in their history, why is just the West vilified? Those charges are just a red herring.

          • swemson

            I agree that America hasn’t “exploited” any 3rd world nations but in all honesty, it’s hard to say that about Great Britain’s past history.

            It’s irrelevant of course whether either country was actually ever guilty of colonialism. It’s what Obama thinks is true… not the actual facts that count in this analysis. And as you know, far left progressives have never had much of an affinity for hard facts and the truth

            In terms of exploitation of people from the 3rd world however, nobody was worse than the forces of Islam, which were heavily engaged in the slave trade, and, it appears, are still involved in it today. When you combine Obama’s
            Marxist tendencies, with his devotion to Islam, it’s easy to see what a serious threat he poses to our country, and to freedom and liberty worldwide.

            BTW: What was it that I wrote that sounded like it came from a Marxist professor….?


            PS: Not everyone who believes in Darwin’s theory is an atheist, and atheists aren’t all socialists either.

          • herb benty

            Ya, I was out on a limb there somewhat.,it’s just that all these wing-nut policies and rulings from the courts are not coming from faith-based folks. The atheist-evolution thing was warmly embraced by Imperial Japan, Hitler and his Nazi’s and of course Communism. I totally agree with you that not all people think this way, and I agree that Obama/progressivism and Islam are a very serious threat to us all. Peace and Honour!

          • Americanish

            People might consider the Phillipines a colony. It was not somewhere to be settled, but some people pressured McKinley for commercial and military reasons.

            People in the Navy or someone wanted coaling stations. I do not see why we could not have rented land for one.

            People were afraid another European power would take over the Phillipines. The Germans had warships in the area. Dewey had words with them.

            Admiral Dewey and Mark Twain were against taking over the Phillipines. Manila was not backwards. It had electric street light. the Filipinos had a provisional government, and they had the Spanish backed against the sea. they were not backwards and they had basically won against the Spanish Army.

            “Failures of American Presidents” by Thomas Craughwell.

            I would still put america’s record against any comparably powerful country.

          • herb benty

            Oh ya, the USA has been a force for good, if anything.

          • Americanish

            USA was not perfect, but it is the best country. It is a force for good unless the DNC gets its way.

            Or the “Combine” (i.e. RINO / Democrat Kabuki theater.)

            Funny, but I woke up thinking that people like Americana are so b_tt hurt about 1948, but they don;t give a damn about 1918, 1945 & the Kaliningrad Oblast.

          • herb benty

            America leaving behind a Coke machine, after liberating it’s people is not “oppressive, colonial, or imperial”. Heck with them….look after the USA, if the world disrespects freedom.

          • Americanish

            We had so many Philipinos fight for America and themselves, when the Japanese invaded. If it had been bad, it would not have happened.

          • herb benty

            That base in the Philippines is no where near as bad as when commies go “help”a Nation.

          • Americanish

            We did better than others, but we should not have been there.

          • Bamaguje

            Obama never really knew his Kenyan father, so it is unlikely he sent back the bust because of offense to his father.
            Obama is basically against the West and everything its stands for. In his book (Audacity of Hope), he wrote – “when the winds of politics change, I will stand with Muslims.”

          • swemson

            Obama tells us otherwise, when he speaks about his anti-colonialist leanings in his book “Dreams From My Father”. His grandmother confirmed this in a magazine interview in which she said: “I look at him and I see all the same things — he has taken everything from his father . . this son is realizing everything the father wanted.”

            I suspect however that we might be spending too much time of the issue of the roots of his ideology. Whether he’s simply a Marxist, and anti-colonialist, or a muslim, it may be that these things are all a facade designed to cover the fact that he’s merely a criminal & a thug, in the midst of pulling off the biggest robbery of all time.

            Everything he has done fits the model of the Chicago political thug. When you add up all the money that he has funneled to his friends and supporters, you’ll see that he’s already stolen HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars. The only real question in my mid is how much of that has or will find it’s way back to him in under the table kick backs and other ways. We saw this prior to the 2012 election cycle when Penny Pritzker organized the funding of Obama’s new $35 million dollar beach house in Hawaii which he planned to move into if he lost in 2012 to Romney. Shortly after he was inaugurated for his 2nd term, Pritzker was rewarded with a cabinet post, and currently serves as the Secretary of Commerce.

            The entire Obama administration looks like nothing more than an enormous old style Chicago protection racket. But they’re even more diabolical than the mob… With the old time gangsters, at least they often were protecting their victims from rival gangs.. Here, the government is both the oppressor and the protector.

            It’s a “vertically integrated” criminal conspiracy.

            The primary purpose of the thousands and thousands of new rules and regulations that they enact every year, is to have something they can hang over the heads of every individual, family and business in the country, so no matter what anyone does, they can always be found to be in violation of some rule, law or regulation, and then have to pay off “The Man” to get free of their persecution again.

            By comparison to government, Wall Street is pure and honest. Sure… they take what they quaintly call “normal brokerage” off the top of everything they touch, but traditionally, that’s only 5% and in many cases even less.

            In the health care scam for example, out of every single dollar of health care money that the government intends to collect and distribute, I’m willing to bet that a minimum of 20% to 30% of the total will wind up sticking to their sleazy little fingers along the way. Look at where the money is flowing:

            1: To a corrupt software company owned by some of their supporters who have already wasted over half a billion on writing a useless piece of software…

            2: To their pals at Acorn (whatever they’re calling themselves these days) in the form of grants to start up offices all over the country to help “navigate” people to sign up for Obamacare. Some of these offices have received hundreds of millions of dollars EACH for this… All told, the “NAVIGATOR” scam has already stolen several billion dollars, and today, we learned (thanks to Fox News) that one of Obama’s Illinois “navigators” many of whom are convicted felons, happens to be a convicted terrorist. You can bet that this won’t appear obj any of the major mainstream media.

            3: How about 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce Obamacare, which in truth is nothing more than the muscle end of the shakedown operation…

            4: And let’s not forget all the sleazebag lawyers who toiled for what I’m sure are MILLIONS of billable hours to finely craft the language of the thousands of pages of rules and regulations with the sole aim of hiding the truth about everything in that festering pile of bull$hit.

            The entire environment & energy scam is also simply a plan for them to take over total and complete control over the entire industry:

            Want to drill an oil well? ~~~ You’ll have to get a permit from them in which you’ll have to jump through countless hoops and grease lots of palms.

            Want to build a pipeline? You’ll spend years and millions of dollars on lawyers and environmental impact statements before even having a chance to have your permit reviewed.

            Want to install a new oil furnace in your house? ~~~ Again, you’ll need a permit from them to insure you get an “approved” furnace..

            Want to manufacture furnaces?~~~ Again, you have to get a license, and go through a dizzying myriad of business fees and regulations to ever get your business started.

            Want to get your chimney cleaned? ~~~ You’ll have to hire someone who has the government licenses to do that simple job, & those guys will have to pay off their regulators to renew that license every year…

            It’s endless.

            What’s good for us, for the people, or what’s good for the environment, NEVER comes into the equation at all… Nada, zip, zilch.It’s just extortion, plain and simple.

            Mark Twain really nailed it when he said:

            “There is no distinctly American criminal class – except Congress.”

            We have to get rid of them ALL, and soon… Otherwise all is lost.


    • BS77

      Our incomprehensible immigration agenda has admitted the Trojan Horse…..

      • herb benty

        The double barrels of 2 Islamists running America, OBAMAJARRETT, are behind everything.

  • Tradecraft46

    When there is wasp in the room, you want to know where it is.

    C. S. Lewis

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Well…there are millions of wasps in the room.

  • WhiteHunter

    How peculiar that the same federal agencies–FBI and BATF–that carried out the Waco massacre (80 men, women, children, and infants shot and burned to death) for the “crime” of holding some nutty ideas about the Bible but otherwise bothered nobody, and ambushed and murdered Randy Weaver’s wife and 13-year-old son when all the Weavers wanted was to be left alone in their Idaho cabin, now refuse to deal with very real threat presented by these heavily armed, well-known terrorist enclaves.

    How come no cattle trailers loaded with armed, ninja-clad agents crash through the gates and jump out with guns blazing and tanks spewing poison gas now? Unlike Waco and Ruby Ridge, these enclaves ARE a threat, and should be dealt with appropriately. Or would that be “islamophobic”?

    • 11bravo

      Karesh and his morons got what they deserved. The Weavers were a different story – but not that much different. They were more the McVeigh type.
      Bad examples.

      • Barbaracvm

        Randy Weaver was set up the the government. They wanted him to join the nearby Arian Nation. The Arian compound was fairly close to the Weaver’s cabin. He refused. He just want to live peacefully with his family. After he said no the government found a way to trap him and tried to arrest him. The federal grand jury in Boise, Idaho found him innocent on all charges but one. That was a misdemeanor charge in a list of felony charges.

        • WhiteHunter


        • 11bravo

          Why was he set up?
          How did the FBI even know to set him up?
          How many other Arians from that group did they recruit?
          If they were watching the Arians, why?
          Did they have guns?
          Were they dealing dope?
          Why was Weaver even in that whole circle?

          • A Z

            When you have race riots you are going to have some blacks and whites checking out groups like this.

            Checking out a group does not mean you are actively involved.

      • WhiteHunter

        “Got what they deserved”? Well, I guess that’s what some thought, and you, evidently, still think. Janet Reno certainly did when she ordered the massacre and then took “full responsibility” for it–an increasingly meaningless shibboleth that translates to “I take no responsibility at all, and wouldn’t do anything differently.”

        Considering that it generally takes a full trial and conviction, and then 30 years of appeals on “technicalities” before a convicted murderer is put to death (if he ever is), and then painlessly, with a needle, rather than being burned alive, when there’s zero doubt as to his guilt, I’d say that the 80 Waco victims got very short shrift indeed, and even less “due process.” Maybe it depends on your definition of “deserved.” Or, I suspect, your definition of who deserves it.

        And BTW, McVeigh was at Waco and watched the massacre as the feds burned the compound to the ground, shot fleeing survivors, and prevented fire apparatus from trying to do anything to save anybody. That’s what turned McVeigh into a terrorist. Few of us would do what McVeigh did afterwards–I certainly wouldn’t–but any decent person ought to be able to understand his rage at witnessing the spectacle, even if you don’t.

        • 11bravo

          .” Maybe it depends on your definition of “deserved.” Or, I suspect, your definition of who deserves it.
          If you profess a strain of Christianity that involves you saying when the apocalypse is coming – you stock pile weapons (large weapons you can’t get at a gun shop), and then rebuff all of law enforcements efforts to find out what you are up to – yeah, I don’t really care what transpires. Karesh could have let everyone go at anytime slick. He chose not to. Tough luck.
          As to shooting survivors trying to flee – go sell that crazy somewhere else. You are a 9/11 truther on an island.
          What would be any different if Karesh had those 80 people drink Kool-Aid and die like Jamestown? Dead is dead. With all of those weapons (for no effing reason), you know it was going to end badly no matter what.
          The Janet Reno-shooting survivors and consequential burning the place down…yawn! Only the Michigan militiamen give a dang.
          With views like yours, you will never convince the rational Man of anything. Did it ever occur to you Karesh shot the people trying to ESCAPE! not fleeing the flames.

        • hiernonymous

          and then took “full responsibility” for it–an increasingly meaningless shibboleth

          A shibboleth for whom?

      • A Z

        The Weavers were not McVeigh types.

        We are talking 2 sawed of shotguns and a missed court date. Weaver did not know he had a court date.

        Weaver sold 2 shot guns and the FBI kept badgering him to make the barrels shorter.

        I visited American Renaissance website once. Does that make me a terrorist?

        BTW sawed of shotguns should be legal. some judge said they were not legal because they would never be used by the military.

        They most definitely were used in WW1 as a weapon. they were called trench guns or trench brooms.

        • Barbaracvm

          If I remember correctly a sawed off shotgun is legal at 18 inches. Shorter than 18 it is illegal. The guns measured at 17 3/4 inches.

          • A Z

            It was under 18″. It still was entrapment. they badgered him.

            And Attourney’s were looking for trophies.

            My kids are non-white. I do not exactly like white supremacists.

            I told my kids the KKK & Aryan Brotherhood consider them “mud” people. They have used that word.

            On the other side they are not dark enough. Racist like Leonard Jeffries call them ice people. or Louis Farahkhan would call them Devil’s

      • A Z

        Someone in the U.S. Attorneys Office needs to go to jail.

        “This was compounded by Weaver’s failure to appear in court to answer these charges. Weaver’s original court date was Feb. 19 1991; it was changed to the following day, but Pretrial Services sent Weaver a notice citing the date as March 20. As a result, Weaver missed the hearing and a bench warrant was issued for his arrest, with the U.S. Marshals Service directed to serve it. By Feb. 27, it was widely known that Weaver had been given the wrong date. The U.S. Marshals Service wanted to allow Weaver the opportunity to show up in court on March 20, but the U.S. Attorneys Office sought a grand jury indictment on March 14 for Weaver’s failure to appear. This convinced Randy and Vicki Weaver that he had no chance of a fair hearing.[6] During the March 1991 to August 1992 standoff, Weaver isolated himself on his property and became increasingly suspicious of the Federal Government, vowing to fight rather than surrender peacefully. A plan for voluntary surrender was negotiated by the Marshals Service with the Weavers during October 1991, but was refused by the U.S. Attorney involved in the case.

        After long-term surveillance, the Deputy Director of the Special Operations Group of the Marshals Service recommended against a tactical assault on the Weaver residence. He recommended that the indictment be dismissed and then refiled later under seal, so that Weaver would be unaware of the new indictment, in hope of causing him to drop his guard. An undercover operation could then be executed to arrest Weaver without incident. His recommendation was rejected.”


        • 11bravo

          Why was Weaver even on the FBI’s radar?
          Jeezuz you need to step back! I have two shotguns, and a lot more. Should I be waiting for the FBI?
          Weaver did not deserve what he got, and I agree someone’s head should roll but… Ole Randy was no choir boy to begin with. If you are mixed up with the FBI for any reason you immediately make Joe “normal/average citizen skeptical of you for general purposes.
          Do not mistake my words for defending the FBI, or the feds in any way. I just think Karesh got what he deserved. How many of the other 80 were there voluntarily will never be known – especially kids. So who is to say they were innocent?

          • A Z

            I did not stand up for Koresh in my above post nor would I. But now that you have brought it up. The BATF was grandstanding. The Clinton Admin wanted a trophy. They could have arrested Koresh when he was in town. He played checkers with the undercover FBI guys. Cut the head off the snake and it would have been much easier to go into the compound with a warrant.

            Koresh was an unscrupulous man who was into polygamy. He may or may not have had tween or teenage “brides”.

            I put Koresh almost in the same “camp” as Jim Jones

            Someone who is going to an Aryan Brotherhood get together is not necessarily a terrorist or a criminal. Some people might listen and never go back. The more gatherings they go to, the more likely they are to be sucked in. Should the FBI be aware? Yes. should they recruit at all costs?

          • A Z

            Shotguns were used in World War I as you probably know. Ithaca Model 37 Trench and Riot Gun had a barrel length of 20″. How do we know that other shotguns were not also used or that doughboys did not shorten them in the field?
            United States v. Miller was a decision made a judge who was likely ignorant of the facts of WW1 warfare.

            I will stay within the law as will my children If I teach them right. Government protection does not go far. It is not unreasonable to assume based on history and government inaction that things will go to crap.

            United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939) – The Court stated in part:

            “In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a “shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length” at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment, or that its use could contribute to the common defense.



          • MarilynA

            Randy was a former Green Beret. That alone put him on our government’s list of suspicious characters along with all Vets, staunch believers in Christianity, and Pro Life activists.

      • BOB NIXON


        • A Z


          Because you cannot keep a discussion forum a discussion forum. This is not a cage fight.

          I think he was over the top as you can tell by my replies.

          But to threaten or suggest physical violence will risk damage to this forum, FPM.

          So I ask you to delete your post and refrain from such talk in the future.

          • 11bravo

            There are thousands of examples of besides the more kookie, extreme, way out there examples to use. Do we need to go to the full on Hitler-ish examples to make a point? How about the truly innocent who have their doors kicked in because the cops/feds have the wrong address, or the wrong John Smith? So if Karesh and Jim Jones should have been left alone, why not these Muslim groups in the middle of the Tejas desert?
            On Karesh, and Ruby Ridge I hold the majority opinion, not you guys. You probably do not hold the majority opinion (on this matter) with the people on this blog.
            That is not to say I love the NSA or think it is even necessary. But in what universe do you have to occupy to think rational people think Karesh should have been left alone knowing what the feds knew about his little compound. Did they have a mole – listening devices – or fronts that reported the weapon sales to them?
            Also, how many of the 80 wanted to stay? My guess is Karesh had 5-8 hard core lieutenants that made their wives and children stay, and intimidated the others into it. What universe do you have to occupy as a human with a brain to “want” to stay? Would you have stayed?
            If the answer is yes, I rest my case.

          • A Z

            What part of “I did not stand up for Koresh in my above post nor would I.” did you not understand?

        • A Z

          You have all of 2 comments in your history, which were all in caps..

          Are you a plant?

          Or are we taking friendly fire from someone, who does not know any better?

        • A Z

          Beside I would trust 11Bravo over you any day.

          I would trust 11Bravo period.

          You I would out under surveillance if had the capability.

          Neighborhood watch, grapevine, …

          • BOB NIXON


        • 11bravo

          Starts with a “B” ends with a “b”.
          Why is that Bob?

          • BOB NIXON


          • A Z

            I will take it for face value that you are 79 and have a hard time reading. However all CAPS is considered rude in general. (1)

            I linked the Microsoft site on how to increase font size and other stuff to make reading easier. (2)

            Still you wrote:

            That looked like you were instigating a fight or worse yet pretending to instigate a fight. You might be one of those people Glenn Greenwald warned about. (3)

            Any_hoo welcome aboard and stick around a while. The more traffic the better. :)

            “Another rule is to avoid typing in all caps or grossly enlarging script for emphasis, which is considered to be the equivalent of shouting or yelling”




          • BOB NIXON


          • A Z

            So disregard internet etiquette, deny you implied that you wanted to fight.

            Alright then


        • 11bravo

          Are you anywhere close to Chicago?

          • BOB NIXON


      • herb benty

        So the government kills morons. The cities are going insane, living out in the country in a cabin with your family, shouldn’t get you in trouble.

        • 11bravo

          ” living out in the country in a cabin with your family, shouldn’t get you in trouble”.
          Thousands of people do it every year. So, why was Weaver being approached (for any reason) by the FBI?
          Have those other thousands of people been approached? If Weaver was just your average citizen who happened to own a couple of shotguns, what the hell put him on the FBI’s radar – one Arian brotherhood meeting? I think NOT!!

          • herb benty

            The topic is Muslim training camps in America that wish to do harm to us and why Obama/Dems are facilitating this travesty. I know nothing about the AB or Weaver, but they for sure are not the global terrorists that Islamists are. Whites are being persecuted and killed by black mobs, the SPLC calls white Christian groups- hate groups. And my white family and me, they say have “white privilege”. Wow, I spent my life in the mountains logging- rain, wind, snow-we kept working. My mother and sister, both RN’s, ruined their knees in hospitals tending the sick. What friggin white privilege! I don’t blame any white person for getting suspicious about the gov’t’s intentions….and preparing to defend their families. I certainly am not talking about WS or Koresh-cults. Just normal fed up folks.

    • herb benty

      The latter of course. Homophobia gets us “boys” in the girls washroom. Islamophobia is the ruse to slaughter Americans in their own country.

  • Demetrius Minneapolis

    If this sort of thing is occurring in Texas, we are in bigger trouble than I thought.

    • 11bravo

      Texas is just sooo big – wide open! Has nothing to do with the politics – it is just easy to hide in Tejas.

  • 11bravo

    I hope someone outside government is keeping (active) track of these groups for future reference since our President will do nothing about this.
    The NSA over reach, strip searches at airports, and the creeping Sharia all over the US is only happening because the political class in this country is falling for the PC narrative. The socialists have total cultural media dominance. In other words, the thought police. They are the ones who tell society what is the acceptable way to think – and speak about Islam, and Muslims.
    How many sons and fathers have to kill their mothers and daughters before the right eyes are opened? How many more training camps and radical mosques’ and radical Imams have to be discovered?
    Maybe the right people have not been killed yet.

    • Joel Cairo

      Don’t forget, we ordinary citizens are the enemy. The potential terrorists are allies of the present administration.



  • ObamaYoMoma

    Muslims are not terrorists, they are jihadists instead waging a holy war, otherwise known as a jihad, and a jihad relative to terrorism is far more grave and serious a problem. As waging jihad in one form or another, either through violence or non-violence via stealth and deception, is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims and indeed it is also the sole path to salvation for all Muslims as well. As a matter of fact, any Muslim that isn’t a jihadist in one form or another is not a Muslim, but instead a blasphemous apostate that must be executed according to the texts and tenets of Islam

    Hence, while the Clarion Project and this moonbat writer are obsessed only with certain violent aspects of jihad in which they mischaracterize as being terrorism and perpetrated only by extremists who misunderstand Islam as opposed to so-called moderates who don’t, I’m far more concerned about the millions of Muslim stealth and deceptive jihadists that have been let into the country through the front door because the federal government, along with both major political parties in America, are married to the notion that through PC multiculturalism we can all learn to get along and bring about an end to war and world peace. That’s about as fantasy-based a leftwing idea as it gets if there ever were one.

    The Clarion Project and this writer will never portray the reality of Islam accurately and call for the banning and reversing of mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage ASAP because they too are married to the cult of PC multiculturalism.

  • kilfincelt

    The State Dept. is full of Palestinian sympathizers because most of them got their education at Georgetown University where one of the most famous, actually a better word is infamous, Muslim apologists, John Esposito, teaches. Because of Esposito and professors like him who would rather lie to continue to receive Saudi money for their departments then tell the truth, most of those in the State Dept. wouldn’t even recognize potential jihadist groups in the U.S. let alone put them on a terrorist watch list. Furthermore, State is supported in their position by our Muslim-in-Chief.

    Facts: Obama’s father was a Muslim which automatically makes junior a Muslim.
    Obama spent time in Indonesia at Muslim schools were he would have said the Shahada which would also make him a Muslim.
    In an interview with George Stephanopoulos he was talking about McCain and then said “my Muslim faith”. George quickly stepped in and said your “Christian faith” where upon Obama said my “Christian faith”. This shows that not only is Obama a Muslim but that the MSM is fully aware of that fact.

    • Ziggy Stardust

      You’re spot on about Esposito, but your comments on Pres. Obama are irrelevant whether or not you are wrong about him being a Muslim. Your facts to “prove” Obama is a Muslim are correct, but don’t prove anything. Obama is a Leftist, that’s all we need to know. The policies will not change if a Leftist like John Kerry become Presdient.

    • Jeanne DeSilver

      Obama’s first loyalty is to the Muslim Brotherhood. Why do we have so many radicals & Muslim Brotherhood people serving in the Obama administration? Because the end game of this current administration is to replace our US Constitution with Shariah Law.

  • joshuasweet

    are these the same sort that have given minimal material aid to the terrorist that Obama wants to allow in?

  • GHjo

    Obama and his administration will,in the next 3 years,do irreparable damage to
    USA,if not stopped.

    • Notalibfool

      That’s their goal. In Obama’s sick little mind a weakened or defeated America is good.

    • Jeanne DeSilver

      Obama will do anything to further his agenda – regardless of who it hurts, who gets in the way, or what the price becomes. The president promised to remake America’s image, and he has. We are a weaker, smaller power than we were when he took office, and the world is more dangerous for it.

  • Douglas Mayfield

    I’m proud to be an Islamophobe because I’m a rape-phobe, a murder-phobe, a slavery-phobe, etc. As we see around the world on a daily basis, Islam demands of its followers that they rape, murder, enslave everyone who disagrees with them. They are nothing but low, cowardly, savage terrorists. All statements to the contrary, including those coming from Washington, are cheap lying Islamic propaganda.

  • Erudite Mavin

    Not seeing or hearing Rick Perry or Ted Cruz on this
    issue of Radical Muslims rooted in Texas as they have on
    other issues to get face time.

  • raptor45

    One more reason that mu slimes should not be permitted in this country. I don’t give a ***** about their so called rights. Texas residents should raise pure holy h e l l about this and shut them down.

  • Greg Weigle

    Our gov’t, in the last 5 yrs. has become pro-Muslim and is now enabling Jihadists to set up terrorist camps in the U. S. So, since nobody in Washington can do any thing about it, I guess it’s up to the people. Storms comin’.

  • Alex Live

    Also many Muslims groups live in upstate N.Y., you can find them on YouTube. It says those group were existed in late 80’s and thru 9/11/2001. where is FBI now and then? Now they will be the arm of Chukcha, NSA will watch us not them.

  • Brad Sloboda

    muslims are not american’s they are muslims period.. and their goal is Jihad the take over of america your land your property your govenment until it is all under the control of Islam this is what is happening this is what is growing on american soil…