The Ultra-Left Rallies to Celebrate Israeli Kidnappings

WPIX-vid22670-in0-out4101-01f5acdb-53a040ee-LargeImageAlongside the agony regarding the kidnapping by the terrorists of three Israeli teenagers, two of them aged 16, one of those an American citizen, there is also emerging a wave of celebration of the kidnappings by ultra-leftist anti-Israel Jews.  In the US, a number of Jewish anti-Semites have justified and celebrated the kidnappings.   One in particular is “professor” Marc H. Ellis, who was the “Professor of Jewish Studies” at Baylor University before Baylor fired him.  Ellis is a know-nothing Jewish-born Catholic-educated pseudo-academic who insists that the only real moral conclusion from the Holocaust is that Israel must be eliminated.   His celebration of the kidnappings appears on the anti-Semitic junk blog Mondoweiss.   Ellis by the way is employed these days at a 12th rate UN school in Costa Rico where he no doubt has convinced the rainforest tribesmen that he is an authority on Judaism.

Within Israel, a number of ultra-leftists have also emerged to celebrate and justify the kidnappings.  Quite a few columnists at Haaretz, the Palestinian newspaper printed in Hebrew, have expressed such sentiments.   In Haaretz, Avraham Burg, who was once speaker of the Knesset, published this piece, in which he said that Israel had “kidnapped” all of Palestinian society so there was nothing particularly noteworthy in Palestinians kidnapping Jewish children.   Burg is active in J Street and Meretz these days.  While Palestinians have been handing out candies and sweets to celebrate the kidnappings, it would not surprise me if we hear that Peace Now is similarly handing out candies to celebrate this wonderful blow against the occupiers.

The Arab fascist Knesset member Hanin Zoabi has of course been outspoken in expressing her joy at the kidnappings.  She insists that kidnapping children is simply not terrorism at all, unlike writing anti-Arab graffiti on walls.  Interestingly, quite a few Israeli leftists are backing Zoabi, defending not only her “right” to celebrate the kidnappings but also endorsing the content of what she says.  The European-funded anti-Israel 972 Magazine web site is solidly pro-Hanin.

Among the leading figures endorsing Hanin’s celebration of the kidnappings has been Orit Kamir.  Her endorsement of Hanin Zoabi appears in Hebrew here.  She proclaims that Zoabi not only has the right to support the kidnappings but Kamir explicitly says she agrees with Zoabi.  Who exactly is Kamir?  Her story states volumes about the collapse of academic standards in Israel.

Kamir is a radical feminist “academic” who made headlines a few years back when she was denied tenure at the law school of the Hebrew University.  She had gotten a law degree and worked as the legal rep for Israel’s main feminizt lobby, the “Women’s Caucus.”  She later did doctoral work on “stalking” and in “feminist law,” whatever that is.  She was offered a position at the law school at the Hebrew University.  But in 2001 she was turned down for promotion and tenure due to a lack of serious bona fide academic publications.

Kamir decided to turn herself into a feminist martyr and started harassing the University in court.  She filed a discrimination suit in an Israel labor court (these are special courts that are invariably hostile to employers).  Kamir claimed she was turned down because of her feminist opinions.  Yeah, sure.  The law school at the Hebrew University is crawling with leftists and the politically correct, but the ones who advance in the system also publish academic articles.  A lot of what Kamir has published consists of quack articles about movie actors and films.   24 out of 29 members of the law faculty filed a written petition with the University administration demanding that Kamir NOT be granted tenure or promoted, an event without precedent!   The administration told the court that Kamir had a track record of personal acrimony with other faculty and with students.

After dragging along for two years, the labor court proposed a compromise, under which Kamir could continue working at the Hebrew University but without tenure, for a period of 6 years.  The Hebrew University administration caved and signed.  She was allowed to stay on in one of the worst incidents of affirmative action in Israeli academia.  In 2009 she was finally dismissed from the Hebrew University altogether.

Since then she has held minor positions at other institutions and evidently these days she is employed by the “Shimon Peres Academic Center,” a pseudo-college.  She also has gotten funding from the New Israel Fund to promote feminizt agendas.  To her credit, she did speak out against instances of sexual harassment of students by faculty members at the Hebrew University.  The web lists a course she still offers at the Hebrew University outside the law school in the “multidisciplinary department,” whatever that is.

Kamir is the new defender of Hanin Zoabi and the rights of terrorists to kidnap Jewish children.

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  • herb benty

    Once again leftism rears it’s ugly head, and it’s hypocrisy. If Israel is so guilty, why aren’t these leftist pulling up stakes and moving to Europe, or better yet, to an Islamic country. Any guts and they would lead by leaving. How does Israel tolerate, “the kidnappings are justified” types? Isn’t that “hate speech”?

  • dougjmiller

    It isn’t just the the ultra-left that’s celebrating the recent kidnapping of 3 teens in Israel. The media and Western leaders by their silence give encouragement and support to anti-Israel terrorism. The kidnapping and murder of Jews has always been sanctioned and encouraged by Arab/ Moslem leaders. It’s clear that the Arab/ Moslems occupying land in and around Israel don’t want peace with Israel. Their words and their deeds demonstrate that their main goal is the annihilation of Israel and the extermination of the Jewish people. They’ll pretend to want peace to keep the big bucks flowing from Europe and the US. But listen to what the Arab/ Moslems say, and observe what they do. Their desire is the genocide of the Jewish people.

  • therealend

    Where is the hashtag protest for these 3 young ladies? Don’t they even get that?

  • lyone

    You all should know that Hanin Zoabi”s son, an Israeli Arab teen who is just about the same age as the kidnapped boys, put out a video of his own earlier this week. He completely disagrees with his mother’s position, and he is so filled with rage at the kidnapper’s that he is just seething as he demands that they return the three Jewish boys. The video is in Hebrew, Arabic and English. It is clear that he wanted the world to know that he does not agree with his mother’s sick opinions.

    • adam

      nephew

      • John P Center

        BRAVE BOY expect attempts at honor killing

    • Americana

      What he says gives me hope for this generation. He’s dedicated to Israel as a democratic Jewish state even though he’s of Arab ethnicity and not Jewish. Here’s the link:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlwQ_lurUj8

      • dartson

        You should also mention that he received numerous threats to his life, and that a number of people from his own family were arrested for making these threats. Hanin Zoabi herself called him a stupid boy who wishes to please his Zionist masters. People like him, unfortunately, are exception in the Israeli Arab community.

    • Jacko

      Not her son. A cousin

  • Aterg

    How can you celebrate any kidnaping ? These people are truly sick in their mind , cruel , heartless and ignorant. Israel will never get so low to kidnap their children , also it is very tempting to do so. It shows a mentality that is totally foreign to a civilized society. All nations that disagree should protest very
    loudly , and use their diplomatic influences to release these children. Shame on you and be cursed by your so called God for doing such an inhuman act.

    • mollysdad

      Don’t take this question the wrong way, but are these sickos a bunch of self-gassing Jews?

      • Americana

        Your remark is unconscionable.

    • BagLady

      Israel will never get so low to kidnap their children…

      … but sadly, they will shoot them dead in the street.

      • reader

        Yeah, they aim at them, you effing insect. You’ve really made a case for a primate British anti-semitism. Exhibit one.

        • BagLady

          Is there one particular sentence you wish to address in my answer, or is your offense just general?

      • Drakken

        It is really a very simple equation that you leftist always miss, don’t throw rocks and you don’t get your dumb jihadist azz shot.

        • johnnie the jew

          Baghead is obviously resigned to being collateral damage cometh the hour. Bring it on !

        • BagLady

          “leftists”? I hope that “rightists’” are also alarmed at the live bullets being substituted for ‘rubber” in the latest Palifest in the name of 3 missing students.

      • johnnie the jew

        What crap are you talking draglady? Go and check Pat Condells support for Israel.You’re obviously some sort of dhimmi troll or a menta lmyopic personified

        • BagLady

          Yes I know (yawn). You are all the good guys and everyone else is just poo.

      • Slim

        What @drakken said: “throw rocks, get shot”
        I have 0 sympathy for little terrorists in training.

  • Truth

    This article is not biased at all.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      FINALLY a bit of Truth from “Truth”.

    • Truth

      I wish I had finished junior high school

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        The taliban forbade education beyond junior high for graduates of FGM finishing school.

  • Truth

    I have a question for Israelis. Do Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem deserve property rights, and acknowledgement of private land ownership? Is it acceptable that Israel doesn’t respect private land ownership and regularly confiscates privately owned land to make way for Jewish-only settlements?

    Is it also okay to throw rocks and attack Palestinian children?

    • yo

      I have an answer for you – yes – no -no -yes – maybe? Point being, you’re an idiot, try grappling with the actual issue as opposed to regurgitating falestinian propaganda…

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      I have a question for “Truth”.

      Do Infidels deserve property rights in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon, Afghanistasn, Turkey, private land ownership, may a Muslim girl retain her clitoris, may a Muslim girl receive an education and not be deface by the Taliban, do Infidels deserve entry in Muslims Only cities like Mecca?

      Is it also OK to hijack passenger planes and fly them into buildings, to bomb the Boston Marathon, to bomb Pan Am 103, to bomb London transport on 7/7/05, to behead a man in London (Lee Rigby), use poison gas (a WMD) on the Kurds of Halabja, to kill Coptic Christians in Egypt, to kidnap 300 girls in Nigeria?

      What is “progressive” about siding with people who execute gay teens in Fascist Iran?

      • Truth

        Non-Muslims have property rights in all those countries you mentioned.

        Most Muslim girls do retain their clitoris, and if they are mutilated I think that is disgusting and immoral.

        I’ve never been to Mecca and don’t care. It’s up to Muslims to decide what happens in Mecca, not me.

        I am against killing people, that is why I’m against Israel and against hijacking planes.

        Would you care to answer my questions? Do Palestinians deserve property rights, or is it an acceptable practice that privately owned land and property can be confiscated to create Jewish-only settlements? Is it acceptable when adult Jews go around beating up Palestinian children and throwing rocks at them when they go to school?

        • Waldemar Daninsky

          Gee, I have been told time and again, by the MSM, that the “Palestinians” live in one giant refugee camp. I have also been told time and again that the “Palestinians” reject a “two state” solution to the “Palestinian”/Israeli issue. Seems to me that if one resides in a refugee camp, one would not be entitled to “property rights.” If the “Palestinians” wish to have property rights, why don’t they agree to a two state solution to the issue?

          Which adult Jews go around beating up “Palestinian” children and throwing rocks at them when they go to school? What are their names? Which school do these “Palestinian” children attend? Post some fake links and pictures, please.

        • Stosh777

          Non-Muslims have property rights in all those states? Tell that to the 850,000 Jews in Arab lands who had their citizenship revoked, their homes, businesses and community property stolen, and were harassed into exile after the establishment of Israel. In some of those countries, Jewish communities predated the Arab/Muslim invasion by 1000 years.

          Are you aware that nearly half the Jewish population of Israel consists of these refugees and their descendants? Any settlement of the Palestinian refugee issue has to take their claims into account. What they lost is far greater than

          any losses of the Palestinian Arabs.

          • BagLady

            Another who cannot answer Truth’s questions but justifies everything with ‘an eye for an eye’ response.

      • BagLady

        SS clearly has a problem actually answering the question since each and every paragraph ends in a ?

    • mozart

      Hey Truth (actually LIAR) Here are the facts: It is Hebrew-Israeli-Jewish land and all of it has been for thousands of years. Israelis are AT HOME on their own land. It’s the Arabs who are the settlers! There were no Arabs in Israel before the Muslim conquest of the 7th century. This scandalous depiction of this conflict is propagated by Arab religious hatred and by anti-Semitism, including your own. Learn the actual facts before you expose your ignorance and your slow cerebral function.

      • Americana

        You can’t just refer to the Muslim conquest. It hasn’t been Jewish land since the Judeans were conquered several thousand years ago and the Jewish diasporas began after which many different entities controlled the region. The Muslims were just the latest to hold sway over the region.

        • mozart

          Stolen property does NOT negate the rights of its LAWFUL owners, hamor! As part of the anti-Zionist kabal your opinions are inline with the latest incarnations of anti-Semitism. That disqualifies you from being fair. Above and beyond that you are ignorant of the facts, Exactly on which strip of illegally obtained land do you exist on?

          • Americana

            Sorry, no, this is not anti-Semitism to point out that the Israelis are breaking new ground in international law and international relations by claiming the nation of Israel is permitted to rise from the ashes of multiple conquests and diasporas and return to their land of origin and simply reclaim it all thousands of years after their original dispossession. The Jews who remained behind were not the RULING GOVERNMENT of the region.

            No, I’m probably not able to be entirely fair because there is no totally fair way to craft this land deal between the Palestinians and the Israelis. Do I want their land deal agreement to be as fair as possible and to be effective and hold for many generations? Yes, I do. There’s been enough trauma on both sides. None more so than the Jews. The fact there is an undying enmity between those two peoples was a known quantity when the Jews sought to move back into the region. I’m sure they expected the “Palestinian” residents would simply accede to the wishes of their British overseers and quietly accept their new status as residents of Israel. After all, they’d been conquered so why would they bite the hand that was assigning them yet another new political status? But that mistake of history isn’t going to be allowed to continue. Even the British realize what a cock-up the Balfour Agreement was and now have a web site dedicated to the mistakes of the Balfour Agreement.

          • mozart

            You are arrogant and ignorant. Read Joan Peters “From Time Immemorial.” She set out to prove the “Palestinian’s” claim to the land. After exhausting and detailed research she proved the opposite. There is no “P” in Arabic, the entire “Palestinian” term was a Roman invention, the Arabs themselves have said many times that “there is no such country or such people.” But you insist spreading lies and distortions, despite the clear facts. According to you, only the Jews are not entitled to their own country – THAT makes you an anti-Semite!

          • Americana

            It doesn’t MATTER whether there are 22 Arab countries if the Palestinians don’t want to go there and those countries don’t want to accept the Palestinians. Even if the Balfour Declaration is israel’s ultimate justification for wishing to force the Palestinians to relinquish all their land, the Balfour Declaration stated that the Palestinians should have their property rights and their civil rights RESPECTED within the Jewish state, in other words, they would remain WHERE THEY LIVED prior to the formation of Israel. This presence of Palestinians within Israel, of course, is complicated by the Palestinian diaspora that was encouraged by their fellow Arab states in order to wage war. It’s complicated as well by the subsequent choice of the Israeli government to acknowledge they faced an intractable enemy so they decided to enforce the ‘right of no return’ in their peace talks. I’m not an anti-Semite just because I point out the truth and obvious fallacies in the rationales for the Jewish state. I’d be an anti-Semite if I didn’t.

          • reader

            There’re millions of palestinian Arabs in Israel who own property, vote and even govern the country. Not a single other country in the region extends them even a fraction of the rights they exercise in Israel. Those who fled during wars initiated by the Arabs should be treated no better than Sudetten Germans, and certainly no better than the Prussians from Keniksberg, Japanese from Kuril Islands and Finns from Vyborg.

          • mozart

            Proof of your anti-Semitism: 1) “Palestinian” and “land” in concert – is a giant lie. The land is Hebrew-Israeli-Jewish period. We do not need declarations by ancient English politicians to justify our ownership of the land. 2) You conveniently ignore that Jordan IS the Palestinian Arabs’ land. 3) The Arabs practice Koran-instructed deception, Taqia to get military advantage in Judea and Samaria in order to destroy Israel and conquer it again. Thank G-d for the IDF. 1+2+3 = according to you, the Jews should accept their own destruction = anti-Semitism. Why else are you on this site, which is dedicated to fighting against anti-Semitism in all its forms?

          • Americana

            If I’m wrong on the issue of the land’s provenance then you can take this legal issue before the World Court at the Hague. Your ownership is based on religious myth and has nothing to do w/how land ownership is adjudicated in the real world.

            http://www.balfourproject.org/the-other-arthur-balfour-protector-of-the-jews/

            I don’t conveniently ignore anything about this absurd situation and I certain don’t ignore that (Trans)Jordan was given to the Arabs while the British reserved another portion of the region for the Jews under the universally acknowledged catastrophe of the Balfour Declaration. However, there was no universally acknowledged political solution that took into account the rights of those living in the region. Their rights were ABROGATED by the British governing authority in order to solve the problem of the Jewish terrorism over the desire for a homeland.

            The Arabs may well be practicing taqqiya in order to gain control over land. Will that be used to further their militaristic aims or will that peace settlement allow for peace to finally begin to take root? Considering Israel is now a member of the United Nations, I hardly think she’s at risk of being left to her own devices against the Arab world. A demand for United Nations guarantees of military assistance could also become part of the Israeli-Palestinian peace accord if that would facilitate the Palestinians to realize that force is no longer an option to be used against Israel as well as serve as reassurance to the Israelis they will not face a collective Arab force alone.

          • Drakken

            How many goddamn times have you been told, your living in a bloody dream world of a false narrative and lala land. The arabs no matter what kind of cool aid your drinking, will NEVER EVER give the Israeli’s peace, and your too damn pig ignorant to get it through that thick skull of yours. To the Victors go the spoils, as it has always been. As for that sham organization the World Court? A political entity with a political agenda as there has ever been, since we are sovereign citizens of sovereign countries, it has no authority, period!

          • truebearing

            She’ll never learn because of her ideological constipation and essentially duplicitous nature.

          • Americana

            Fine. Make this claim. But don’t just make it here on a pro-Israeli site. Go on Arab sites and make the statement that the land is yours from umpteen thousands of years ago and you’re taking it all back because it’s YOURS on the basis that G_d gave it to you. Never mind the fact that G_d threw you off the land and condemned you to exile. By making such an announcement you’re thereby condemning Israel to eternal enmity over the situation but at least both sides would then know the reality of the other. At that point, I’d say the rest of the world washes its hands of the situation. I’m tired of being jacked around by the whole so-called “peace” process from both sides. But this statement of yours simply takes the cake.

          • truebearing

            “Never mind the fact that G_d threw you off the land and condemned you to exile.”

            So, by that statement are you saying you are Jewish and believe G_d threw the Jews out and condemned them to exile? Maybe you should read the entire Talmud before attempting to use snippets to argue a point. Let’s see how you do with this:

            “…that the LORD your God will bring you back from captivity, and have compassion on you, and gather you again from all the nations where the LORD your God has scattered you. If any of you are driven out to the farthest parts under heaven, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you. Then the LORD your God will bring you to the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it. He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers.(Deuteronomy 30:3-5)”

            Moses predicted the dispersion of the Jews, and their reunification in Israel.

            I haven’t seen you resort to scriptural polemics before, in fact, I could have sworn I read a comment of yours where you blamed the problems of the world on religion (exempting political, atheistic religions such as Marxism, no doubt).

            Your rather obvious bias “takes the cake.” You are far less clever than you seem to think you are.

          • Americana

            I’ve never claimed to be clever. It’s folks lil eyou who keep on bringing up whether someone is sane or insane, smart or not smart… Sheeesssuuussss. Don’t you remember I told you what the pattern was for your arguments, you take what you think is a guaranteed argumentation approach based on denial, deflection and then denigration of your opponent. Land rights are NOT decided in this world on the basis of Biblical prophecy otherwise no one would have suggested the Uganda deal way back when.

            No one in the main halls of power negotiates on the basis of Talmudic statements. Meir Dagan doesn’t discuss the peace process by dragging in prophecies… Why? Because he believes in the REAL WORLD. Certain segments of the Talmud and the Bible were blatantly written as solace for a dispossessed people. Someone can certainly believe they were inspired by G_d but if they wrote that, they were writing under the influence of WISHFUL THINKING. If you’re going to insult the Qu’ran and claim it’s all hogwash and was written by someone w/his own selfish interests at heart, well, let’s turn our attention to the Bible in instances of similar hogwash for the Jews. This is definitely one instance.

          • Americana

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f776bEI6024

            Meir Dagan, former head of Mossad, thinks differently.

          • Drakken

            Pssst hunyuk, there are no such thing as fakestinians, they are either Jordanians from the west bank, or Egyptians from that snake pit called gaza. When you lose the wars you start, you don’t get any sympathy or empathy, much less any crying crocodile tears rights, effem!

          • DontMessWithAmerica

            Why do you waste time responding to that nutcase, broken record, “Americana.” He, she, or it is as sick as a suicide bomber and needs to be ignored. The creature belongs on Obama’s staff or arguing cases in a Gaza court. This is all off-subject and you let yourself get involved with that ludicrous nutcase. The whole Palestinian-Israeli issue is this: They all tried to drive Israel into the sea and Israel beat them back. If Israelis had any sense they would drive them all out of the country and import some Indians and Chinese from those two overpopulated countries. Both are productive peoples. No one can deal with Muslims,which is probably what Americana is.

          • mozart

            I wanted him/her to out themselves as an anti-Semite – which he did!

          • Drakken

            Americana is a she.

          • Americana

            Just how do you know that for sure, Drakken? It’s very important to have these conspiracy theories swirling around you know. Mustn’t squelch a damn fine conspiracy theory just when it’s beginning to gather steam.

          • BagLady

            Drakken likes to dwell on the fringes. No research necessary when offering snide remarks.

          • reader

            Are you sure? It said so before, but it lies so much. Why do you think it excludes its genitalia?

          • BagLady

            Why are such things so important to you, I wonder. Does it reinforce your belief that you are the persecuted? Show me your scars, and no, I don’t mean dead relatives (I have plenty of those in my cupboard).

          • BagLady

            The whole Palestinian-Israeli issue is this: They all tried to drive Israel into the sea and Israel beat them back””

            Don’t remember that one. Was it before operation ‘Cast Lead’ or after?

          • reader

            “The Jews who remained behind were not the RULING GOVERNMENT of the region.”

            That’s a jewell. And when exactly the Arabs rule the region?

          • Americana

            The Arabs were part of the Ottoman Empire and were part of the long stream of nations to have conquered the region. Even if you don’t want to acknowledge their role in the Caliphate, there still remains the fact they were living in the region for many hundreds of years. Their dispossession on the basis of prior Jewish claims from thousands of years previously is not something we’ve legally ever had to negotiate previously. To attempt to nullify their prior claims by claiming they were never a nation and they don’t have rights over their lands is unconscionable.

            http://www.theottomans.org/english/history/great.asp

            Over the next two years Selim destroyed the Mamelukes politically and militarily, conquering Aleppo and Damascus in 1516, and taking Cairo in 1517. As well as bringing Syria and Egypt under Ottoman control, this campaign also added the Holy Places of Christendom and Islam to the empire, thus adding to the prestige and authority of Selim and his successors. At Selim’s death in 1520 the Empire stretched from the Red Sea to the Crimea, and from Kurdistan to Bosnia, and had become a major participant and contender in the international power politics of the day. Furthermore, substantial Turkish Muslim migration to the Balkans had begun to make permanent changes in the demographic and ethnic structure of that area.

          • reader

            The Ottoman Empire was ruled by the Turks, not the Arabs. The Arabs were as part of it as were the Jews or Armenians. Toward the end of the Ottoman rule the so-called Palestine was almost completely desolate. You’re a pathetic joke of a Jew hater.

          • Americana

            The Ottoman Empire ruled as a Muslim Caliphate. The Arabs as Muslim residents have been the majority population in that region ever since that time. The fact is, those Arabs who were living there from that era till the present have the rights of indigenous people everywhere which is that their land rights and their right of self-determination are international human rights. It might be a respectable human rights aim to resurrect the Jewish homeland, it’s also a respectable aim to meet the reasonable demands of the indigenous residents who wish to assume statehood as is the modern custom.

          • reader

            “The Arabs as Muslim residents have been the majority population in that region ever since that time.”

            This is utter nonsense – in addition to being incoherent and non sequitur. Ottoman Empire was ruled by the Turks. This particular part of the Empire – what you call “Palestine” using the Roman term specifically designed to insult the Jews – was desolate at the turn of the century. Particularly Mark Twain described it every detail. The Ottoman Empire was defeated by Entente, and the British took over the Mandate. Then they dissolved the mandate upon the Partition by the UN, which the Jews accepted, and the Arabs refused. Consequently, the Arabs started genocidal war against the Jews and lost. All in all, they were treated much better than the Germans, the Finns and the Japanese were treated at the end of WW2.

          • Americana

            I’m tired of your collective pathetic attempt to label UNPALATABLE TRUTHFUL POSTS as being “incoherent.” Do I need to ask people participating on this thread whether that post was incoherent? Care to subject yourself to that kind of ridicule? Be my guest. Folks, please weigh in as to whether or not you understood my previous post. Was the English plain enough for you to get my points?

            If the British hadn’t tried so foolishly to resolve the issue of Jewish terrorism by their placatory signing of the Balfour Declaration, the beginnings of this entire socio-religious fiasco wouldn’t have been laid. If the British hadn’t started this whole process of Israeli nation-building in such a ham-fisted and inequitable manner because they wanted to divest themselves of the problem of Jewish terrorism, we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in today.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Arab/Muslim terrorism has plagued the ENTIRE WORLD for hundreds of years.
            You choose to ignore Arab/Muslim terrorism for some odd reason. Ask Hindus what they think of Muslim terrorism.

            Ask the Armenian people what they think of Turkish terrorism that resulted in the Armenian genocide.

            Your greatest enemy is History and the daily news. You can spin a web of lies, but the truth does come out and bursts your islamofascist bubble.

          • Americana

            I don’t ignore Muslim terrorism. But the terrorism facing Israelis is of a different nature than what is facing Hindus in India though there are similarities and the noun for both is the same as far as jihadists are concerned. Conflating all jihads that are currently in progress as being part of the international jihad that is attempting to take over the Christian world is wildly irrational and ineffective considering that we’ve got to deal w/each jihad individually. You’re warning me that the greatest enemy to my perspective is HISTORY and the DAILY NEWS? That’s pretty funny all things considered.

            The Palestinians say they want a homeland. They balk at certain stipulations Israel insists upon.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “I don’t ignore Muslim terrorism.”

            Really? Show us your posts here on FPM where you decry Arab/Muslim terrorism.

            Considering the avalanche of Arabs/Muslimterrorist attacks world-wide, you should have a lengthy record of condemnations of these near daily Arab/Muslim terrirust atrocities.

            Sunni and Shiite can’t get along. How likely is it that Sunni/Shiite can get along with Infidels?

          • reader

            The unpalatable truth is that you implied that the Arabs had a jurisdiction that would be taken away from them – as opposed to the Jews. It is a straight out unmitigated lie. Now you’re on to another lie about the terrorist Jews. You’re a liar. A troll. A Jew hater. This everybody here understands – even those who support you.

          • Americana

            You’re saying there never was an Irgun? Never was a Hagganah? Hmmmm, that’s not what’s in the Jewish history books. Those terrorists are highly regarded as the founders of Israel. You can’t have it both ways. They’re either freedom fighters or they’re terrorists.

            http://iamthewitness.com/doc/Bunche.Report.on.Zionist.Terrorism.in.the.Near.East.htm

          • reader

            This is like accusing Belsky brothers or French resitance fighters of terrorism. Terrorism started long before the Irgun, with Al Husseini and his ilk organizing one Jewish massacre after another across the Mandate.

          • Americana

            Terrorism was directed not at Arab targets. It was directed at British targets because they weren’t moving expeditiously enough to form a Jewish state. I’d call that terrorism, no matter how occasionally heroic some instances of the Irgun fight was.

          • reader

            The British military was attacked when they instituted blockade effectively corroborating with the Nazis in killing the Jews. By your logic, you’d call the French resistance fighters terrorists too. I know. You are an unapologetic supporter of islamonazism.

          • reader

            collaborating

          • truebearing

            Says the bigoted troll. The same one who described the Jews returning to Israel as “injecting themselves into the region.”

          • Americana

            More like a historically accurate ‘troll,’ but then, who’s keeping track of the honest remarks from me vs the dishonest ones from you? I’m surprised you find that word objectionable. What word would you prefer? Give me a verb and a noun that describes the founding of Israel. I’ll see if I agree w/your choices and, if so, I’ll use them. Give me your choice of phrase for how Israel came about and I’ll use it from now on if I agree w/you. If I don’t find it a reasonable interpretation of the event then I won’t use t and I’ll explain why i won’t use it.

            You’re not just allowed to describe it as “aliyah,” as if the Jewish/Israeli population explosion happened spontaneously out of thin air. However you word that, it was mechanically achieved otherwise it wouldn’t have required transport like boats dumping boatloads of immigrants at Haifa port. You’d like the world to forget how Israel was founded and, considering the circumstances now facing us, that’s not possible. Besides, Israel ignores these issues of her founding at her peril.

          • Americana

            Ah, still no word or phrase that’s been supplied by you so I’ll free to stick w/my wording which is accurate.

          • truebearing

            Muslim Caliphate…yes, the aim of every Islamist in the world, yet you blather incessantly and unconvincingly about how it can’t happen again, or isn’t really their goal.

          • Americana

            While you blather CONVINCINGLY of the world-wide Caliphate? I’ve never said the Caliphate can’t happen again nor have I ever said that a Caliphate isn’t their goal. What I’ve said is that what the Islamists are presently after is REGIONAL CALIPHATES that had been in existence up until the World Wars.

            The world-wide Caliphate is far from what they’re able to achieve at the moment. The world-wide Caliphate is a pipe dream and there are a great many strategic military thinkers who agree w/me about the present realities of that. Not only because these Islamists can’t hold things together politically amongst their factions but they’re not able to transition across national borders over the long term because of the sectarianism. Should we continue as if we’ve got to counter that jihadist threat on the broadest front? Of course.

          • Drakken

            Ask the people’s of the Balkans how they feel about Turks and muslims. God help you if your sympathetic to the muslim cause.

          • truebearing

            She is. She previously used the phrase “injecting themselves (Jews) into the region” to describe the creation of the state of Israel after WWII.

          • truebearing

            You fool, you just described an actual Islamic Caliphate…you know, the very thing you keep insisting can’t exist anymore for a variety of half-baked reasons.

          • Drakken

            You give moral equivalency to both muslims and jews, when it is as clear as day, that there isn’t any, you either side with the goddamn savages, or you side with western civilization. The choice is clear.

          • truebearing

            False moral equivalencies — a hallmark of Marxist and Muslim thinking. Her arguments originate in intentional falsehoods. That is the primary reason I jumped on her and Hiero the night you were posting on the situation in Ballad Iraq. Both of them wanted information and put up a patriotic front, but neither ever support people who are patriotic. They support Muslims and Marxists though. They both jumped all over you and were insulting over your comments on Benghazi, but when they wanted something, even if just to look concerned, you were suddenly a great guy. I don’t like phony people.

          • Americana

            My arguments originate in intentional falsehoods? How dare you imply that when YOU just said the fisheries information didn’t justify the measure Pres. Obama took in the Pacific Ocean fishery? When you didn’t even KNOW anything about the status of the fisheries on either coast and yet you’re decrying the move as an idiotic one.

            If Drakken had been honest about Benghazi, he would have admitted he didn’t hear what he claimed to have heard. He didn’t hear the smoking gun radio transmission that established that specific forces identified by their unit designations were within well under an hour’s dispatch time to Benghazi and these units were told to ‘STAND DOWN’ that could have saved Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith. Yet you backed him all the way on the issue because you want there to be such a transmission and what better source to use to historically verify that than an admired member of the FPM family who’s a contractor? Trouble is, that’s not what the reality bears out. Worrying about his safety is something entirely separate from arguing over jihadist atrocities.

          • Americana

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f776bEI6024

            Meir Dagan thinks the two-state solution is the way to go. He’s the former long-time head of Mossad. How do you rate yourself as a military strategist against Dagan? He says ‘Yes’ but you say ‘No.’ What’s a poor goyim to think?

        • Jakareh

          “The Muslims were just the latest to hold sway over the region.”

          Right, Arab Muslims were the latest possessors. Since you refuse to recognize the Jews’ unique religious and historical connection to the land of Israel, then all that’s left is might makes right. In that case, just as Arabs took the land by force in the 7th century (and in the 11th) it was taken from them by force in the 20th. Either way, Israel is the legitimate owner and Arab Muslims are undesirable aliens.

          By the way, if Arab Muslims start another war, Israel should immediately annex all land taken and expel all Arab Muslims living therein. Ideally, the map of Israel would look something like this:

          • Americana

            Oh, so here’s the real philosophical kicker. That the Jews have a unique religious and historical connection to the land of Israel therefore it belongs to them regardless of the realities of the legal and political situation. I believe it’s time for the World Court to be consulted.

          • Jakareh

            The problem is that you everything you write implies Arab Muslims have a special connection to the land. That’s why, in your view, when they take land by force from others they become the legitimate owners, but when others take it back from them it’s an act of aggression. Unfortunately for you and other Jew haters, whether by the criterion of historical claim or by the criterion of raw power, the Jews win and your dear Arab Muslim barbarians lose.

          • Americana

            Where have I ever said Muslims have got a “special connection to the land?” Where have I ever said that Muslim aggression to take land from other nations is fine under international law? But that isn’t what the case is in the situation w/Israel.

            The present-day inhabitants of the region weren’t the ones to conquer Israel and steal her land umpteen thousands of years ago. To punish those inhabitants living there in the present day because the Jewish kingdoms were conquered millennia ago is not fair to them. You can pretend all you want that Israel reconquered and reclaimed her own lands all on her own but that wouldn’t have happened unless the Balfour Declaration had begun the process. Either the process of nationhood is seen as similar for both sides or it’s not seen as being a factor in the conflict at all.

            The Arabic “special connection to the land” is that they had owned it for the last umpteen hundreds of years. That is the straightforward fact of the matter and shouldn’t be in dispute. The breakdown of who owned the land in the Arab world and whether the tenant farmers had any rights that they could insist upon in the diplomatic negotiations is where things get sticky. But regardless of their ownership, the legalities of a land transition of that kind was abbreviated by the British in their anxiety to solve the Jewish relocation after WW II.

      • Dr.Polidori

        “It’s our land because our ancestors lived here thousands of years ago” is not the kind of argument that would even pass the laugh test in a court of law.

        • mozart

          We have lived in Israel CONTINUOUSLY since Abraham, moron, despite the brutal, illegal and barbaric Roman and Muslim conquests. Read my reply below regarding your ignorant “laugh test” comment.

          • Americana

            But you have not been the rulers of that land w/a Jewish government nor have you been the majority population in that region. Those are the two factors that generally weigh in on whether there are indigenous land ownership rights. The Jews who remained behind after the diasporas were a small minority and were never the national identity of that region. The demographics shifted to Arab where they remained until the present day. However, you look at this, you must deal w/the facts on the ground — there are millions of Palestinian Arabs who don’t wish to surrender their land and want to form the Palestinian state. It’s up to Israel to honor that request for nationhood status. Whatever other measures the world must take in order to secure that agreement is something we now face in any case by default as we’re confronted w/the Palestinian jihad.

          • mozart

            Stolen land is still STOLEN. Besides if you believe that they want to create their own state to live in peace you are truly blind. They want to destroy us.

          • Insecticide

            Evict “Truth” from the lands he stole from the Indians!

          • Insecticide

            So let the ARabs give back to the Jews the land they stole!

          • BagLady

            Have you ever tried ‘stealing’ land? It’s really, really difficult. However hard you try to get it in your swag-bag, it insists on staying where it is.

          • BagLady

            and Mozart, do you wish to destroy them?

          • Drakken

            When you go to war numerous times and bloody lose, you don’t get your sh*t back Hunyuk. To the victors go the spoils, and the muslim arabs no matter what, will whine, cry, knash their collective teeth for losing the wars they started and then have the bloody audacity to demand their land back, it is funny as h*ll.

          • BagLady

            The victor eh? Who is the victor in Iraq? Not the Iraqi people that’s for sure. How about the American tax payer? Ha. The allies?

            There are no victors in war, only losers.

            Did your G-d teach you nothing?

          • BagLady

            You have lived side by side with the Arabs for all this time. What a shame you just cannot get on.

        • Insecticide

          So by what right do you live in America?

        • BagLady

          There was a time before fences that there was no such thing as ‘our’ land. One was free to too and fro as one wished and settle on a plot where the soil was fertile. It would seem that the world benefited from this easy going life style (not a politician in sight) and ‘borders’ were decided by casual agreement.

          The concept of ‘owning’ land is rather strange, don’t you think?

          I see the loss of ‘common land’ is playing havoc in First World society.

          Some Socialist policies are very sensible. Leasehold for all. You can’t take it with you when you move/die. You can only take care of it whilst in physical possession.

      • Truth

        Thanks for answering. At least you don’t beat around the bush and explicitly state your support for theocracy, apartheid and official discrimination against the indigenous Palestinians.

        • reader

          Actually, Mozart stated support for the only democracy in the region respecting individual freedoms and property rights. You’re just beating around the bushes with your huffpo talking points .

          • Americana

            Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, the composer? Where did that particular talking point come from? He wasn’t even alive when Israel was founded.

          • reader

            Is this a joke? Really? If nobody ever told you how lame you are – it’s because they were trying not to hurt your fragile self-esteem. Kind of like why Obama and Kerry before him are hiding their college grades.

          • Americana

            I thought it was pretty funny considering who else has recently been floated as PERSONAL WITNESSES to the fact that Palestine was a junkyard and there was no economic activity as well as the fact the timeframe for statehood lags by a few thousand years. Obviously, even dead composers likely would have voted for the creation of Israel and the banishing of the Palestinians. Let’s see, so far someone brought up Mark Twain as the arbiter of the Palestinian situation as well as other famous persons…

          • reader

            Are you accusing Mark Twain of Zionism or you’re claiming his book about his travel to be fictional? I’m not quite following your so-tospeak wit. Let me ask you something else: do you think that Major Hassan should be executed as a traitor or he should be freed as a work place violator on account his time spent in custody? I’m asking you that because I suspect you to be lying about who you really are.

          • Americana

            No, I’m not accusing Mark Twain of anything other than being a limited traveler in the region. His opinion of the matter is of no importance other than as a cultural note.

            As for Maj. Nidal Hasan, he’s received the DEATH SENTENCE. So why on earth are you suggesting he would be freed as a workplace violence killer? He killed and wounded a huge number of people. He was sentenced to death for those deaths and injuries. I’m fine w/that. Am I fine w/the charges that were brought against him? They sounded ridiculous on the face of it but the reason for that charge was that there is NO TERRORISM CHARGE in the UMCJ. Now Drakken said that he thought TREASON would have been the better charge. Or that MURDER was appropriate. However, when the charges were decided upon, the U.S. military didn’t know what defense a military lawyer would choose. Hence, the military may have chosen the charge they felt could be prosecuted successfully WHATEVER a military lawyer brought up in in Hasan’s defense. Clear? Any more questions on the Hasan score?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Get back to us when nidal hassan is dead and in H E L L / Mecca.

          • reader

            I asked YOU whether you thought he should be charged as a traitor and executed. YOU. Answer.

          • Americana

            Listen, sweet thing, can I be any clearer than the above? Read this sentence below, again, isolated from the rest of the above post and see if the meaning is clear. If you take this stupid posture again w/me, I’ll simply not answer.

            From the above post:

            He was sentenced to death for those deaths and injuries. I’m fine w/that.

            By the way, YOU, is ENGLISH your PRIMARY LANGUAGE, your SECONDARY LANGUAGE or NOT A LANGUAGE you have mastered much at all? Are you one of those immigrants w/no English language skills?

          • truebearing

            “Listen, sweet thing, can I be any clearer than the above? ”
            Probably not. Clarity, moral or otherwisw, isn’t one of your strong suits, but then neither is honesty or good writing skills.

          • Americana

            So says truebearing, the twit who recommended that my writing skills ought to be upgraded to Daniel Greenfield’s standard.

            I’d take my honesty to heart in the thread about the Pacific Ocean fishery. In fact, someone who lacks elementary knowledge about a subject shouldn’t simply fall into line and act as a cheerleader for a writer’s op ed piece if they don’t know anything about the subject at hand. (Pacific and Atlantic fisheries status and history.)

          • reader

            It’s a yes and no question. YOU answer: should Hassan be sentenced to death as a traitor? I may be distracted by little things like groceries, dirty dishes, mail, etc, but I’m not blind. This quote of yours:

            “The Arabs as Muslim residents have been the majority population in that region ever since that time.”

            Your right. It’s not as incoherent as I thought at the first glance. Actually, it implies that you extend the Caliphate jurisdiction upon Arabs as the religious privilege. In other words, you’re saying that – even though the Turks ruled the Ottoman Empire, Arabs – as muslims – were the legitimate and everybody else was the second class. You are an ISLAMIST. Full stop.

            But, here’s your problem: by your logic, Israel’s controlled territories make Arabs illegitimate anywhere Israel wishes to extend it’s control over. You see, noone can argue that jurisdiction circa 1967 is any worse than jurisdiction circa 1913, because none can argue that jurisdiction circa 1913 is any better than jurisdiction circa 69 AD.

            You’re busted, buster. I mean , Muhammed.

          • Americana

            I’m flummoxed by just how hard it is you folks work to DELIBERATELY MISINTERPRET someone’s writing. How you DARE to miscast my intent when the original writing is right there for everyone to read is beyond me.

            What do those two subjects — Maj. Hasan’s traitorous behavior and death sentence and the Palestinian Arabs — have to do w/the other in this sentence of yours?

            “It’s a yes and no question. YOU answer: should Hassan be sentenced to death as a traitor? I may be distracted by little things like groceries, dirty dishes, mail, etc, but I’m not blind. “The Arabs as Muslim residents…”

            My statement on Maj. Hasan’s trial and sentence was unequivocal so let’s not have you PRETEND I didn’t ENDORSE his death sentence. Was that your point in linking those two things in your post? You’re just going to gloss over my belief Hasan deserved the death sentence and you’d find a way to meld it in w/wanting the Palestinians to have a state.

            I was referring to the legitimacy of the indigenous residents of the region when the Jewish state was created. It’s a simple matter of taking the census rolls and other provenance of land ownership and residency and identifying those as the legitimate residents. It’s got NOTHING to do w/the Caliphate or the Muslim right of jurisdiction. It’s simply the demographic facts on the ground. The British and the Jews can’t simply brush aside those Palestinian Arab residents and claim they’re owed nothing for their lands and their goods and their livelihoods. This is the way the United Nations also deals w/indigenous populations.

            (Americana) “The Arabs as Muslim residents have been the majority population in that region ever since that time.”

          • reader

            “It’s simply the demographic facts on the ground. The British and the Jews can’t simply brush aside those Palestinian Arab residents and claim they’re owed nothing for their lands and their goods and their livelihoods.”

            Apparently, following your logic they must brush aside Jewish residents instead.

            “My statement on Maj. Hasan’s trial and sentence was unequivocal so let’s not have you PRETEND I didn’t ENDORSE his death sentence.”

            That’s not what I asked you. I asked you if he should be convicted of treason as a self-proclaimed jihadist traitor.

          • Americana

            reader, you are a nitpicker or a picker of nits. Take your pick of characterization. Oh, how remarkable, you’ve suddenly added a whole bunch of additional qualifiers in this latest version of your question.

          • reader

            I’m just trying to keep up with your circular logic. Your claims progressed from that of Arabs ruling the land to Arabs being part of muslim majority to Arabs eventually populating the area heavily. So, the place and the time that should justify what you want to justify – the genocide of the Jews – keeps shifting with every single post. I wonder why.

          • truebearing

            Nice attempt at covering your daftness in your previous comment.

        • mozart

          Israel was never and is not now, nor will it ever be a theocracy. You are talking about a Caliphate or Iran. Arabs in Israel are full citizens, some serve bravely in the IDF. We have Arabs in the Parliament. You are talking about Saudi Arabia, when no Jews are allowed, no Christians, no churches no synagogues. Your biggest lie is who is idigenous here. Hebrew kings, Hebrew coins, two Hebrew states Judea and Israel. We’ve been here since Abraham. The term “Palestinian” is NOT Arab. Arabic does not have the letter “P” in its alphabet. You likely know that it was a Roman invention, by Hardianus, incorrectly named after the Philistines, Israel’s ancient enemy, of GREEK lineage, not Arab, exactly to erase Jewish presence in our land because we dared worship the living G-d and not the Roman Emperor. You are burning with hatred against my people and facts apparently do not matter to you. How dare we be able to fight and defend our land and our people…Israel is forever and the hater shall perish one by one.

          • Truth

            Israel IS a theocracy, and the religious are gaining even more power in Israel’s society day by day. Why are you now pretending to care about non-Jews? You just stated your support for Palestinians not being allowed protection of their private property and your approval of private property and land being confiscated to make way for Jewish-only settlements.

            In regards to your ill-informed comment on Palestinians, this is what genetic studies have confirmed: “majority of the Moslem Arabs in this country descended from local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century A D (Shaban 1971; Mc Graw Donner 1981). These local inhabitants, in turn, were descendants of the core population that had lived in the area for several cen- turies, some even since prehistorical times (Gil 1992).”

            Arabs are not a racial group, they are a linguistic group. There was no population replacement when countries like Egypt, Morocco or Palestine were conquered by Arabs.

          • Stosh777

            Truth, since DNA analysis was not available until the late 1990s, it is highly unlikely that any references dated 1971, 1981, or 1992 have any “genetic studies” worth talking about. And the suggestion that there was no population replacement when Arabs invaded various lands is ludicrous…talk to the Berbers, Copts, Assyrians, and other truly indigenous groups who have had to deal with Arab imperialism over the past millenium-plus.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Saudi Arabia, Fascist Iran, Islamist Regime of Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq are all Islamofascist theocratic dictatorships.

            They all oppress religious minorities.

            - Coptic Christians in Egypt are killed, their churches burned.

            - Christians in Pakistan a killed and their churches are burned.

            - Christians in Nigeria are attacked and their churches burned.

            - Ethnic Chinese are killed in Indonesia because they are “too successful”
            - Sunni and Shiite kill each other, bomb each others mosques because they are the “wrong kind of Muslim”.

            All the above and more are the legacy of the oxymoron calling itself “the Religion of Peace”.

            Every airport in the world needs checkpoints to prevent another 9/11, another bombing of Pan Am 103 – all committed by Muslims.
            Please continue to spread your lies because countering your lies with uncomfortable truths is so much fun.

          • Americana

            The airline hijackings and bombings were the invention of the Palestinians and Palestinian sympathizers after umpteen years of frustration. They are not attributable to all the other jihads. If we’d had an Arab-Israeli peace settlement would the airplane hijackings and bombings have ever become a phenomenon?

          • American Patriot

            What you want are Muslim-only settlements in the Middle East and other regions of the world, you Islamist sympathizer.

          • truebearing

            You clearly don’t know the definition of theocracy or apartheid.

            Islam is a theocratic religion. It mandates that all other religions be destroyed and infidels enslaved, killed, or forced into a severely subordinate position in society with no rights. Iran is a theocracy. Israel is a democracy.

            Muslims in Israel are better off in every way than Muslims in surrounding Arab nations. If Israel was apartheid, as you so moronically claimed, that wouldn’t be possible. There are Arab Muslim professors, government officials, etc. They get to vote, the same as Jewish Israelis. Your arguments don’t support your terminally stupid allegations.

            The vast majority of so-called Palestinians are Egyptian or Saudi.

            Stop lying and profaning truth with your infinitely ironic screen name.

        • Truth

          I hate all dem Joos because I have such a tiny pecker

          • Truth

            How can you have enough time to create a fake profile of me? Lmao wtf?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            How DUMB can you be “Truth”? Apparently so DUMB that you don’t see the difference between the Truths.

            LOL!

          • truebearing

            You are a fake profile.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Thanks for answering. At least you don’t beat around the bush and
          explicitly state your support for theocracy, apartheid and official
          discrimination against the indigenous Jews and Hindus and Buddhists and Christians.

        • American Patriot

          Israel is not an apartheid state, you Islamist lover. The Jews are the indigenous people in the Holy Land. The so-called “Palestinians” are an invented people whose “nationality” was created by the Soviet Union during the 1960s in order to undermine Israel’s right to exist, you Islamist fool. Israel is not an apartheid state, but your beloved Sudan is. Yet, you don’t condemn Sudan’s Islamist dictatorship for all of its atrocities, including its acts of genocide against Sudan’s native black African Christian population. You have a double standard, fool.

          • Americana

            The Jews were a displaced indigenous people who were conquered and driven out of the region thousands of years ago, leaving behind a remnant population of Jews. Subsequently the region was invaded by multiple different ethnic groups and ruled by those different ethnic groups. It eventually became heavily Arabic in population which demographic pattern lasted until the present day. If you talked demographics w/anyone who doesn’t have a bone to pick on the issue, they’d say the Arabs were the indigenous people.

          • American Patriot

            Once again, you display your ignorance, fool. The Arabs are not the indigenous people of the Holy Land, you dunce. The Jews are the indigenous people of that region. And the so-called “Palestinians” are an invented people. There could have been another Arab state had the Middle East countries just accepted Israel’s right to exist, fool. Had they accepted the Mandate’s partition instead of waging war against Israel, there would be peace in the region today.

          • truebearing

            Moron girl, and I say that only in the most affectionate way possible, you are wrong, yet again. The area that is now Israel was sparsely populated when it was chosen to create a Jewish homeland. Not only that, but most of the few Arab Muslims who owned land there were more than happy to sell it to Jewish immigrants who were willing to pay more for it than it was worth. Now that Israelis have turned unproductive land into an oasis, the Muslims want it back. Of course, they want it back because they hate Jews as only a people indoctrinated by a sociopathic religion can hate.

          • reader

            “It eventually became heavily Arabic in population which demographic pattern lasted until the present day.”

            It eventually became much heavier Jewish in population, nitwit. You can go round and round with that. Not too impressive.

      • BagLady

        Isn’t it time we all agreed on here that criticism of a country’s politics has nothing to do with the religion of the people.

        I am, as you know, a pacifist. However, I admit to getting the urge to rise up and slap those on here — who are many — for ‘pulling the religious card’ every time they are called upon to justify their political position.

        Calling someone anti-Semite doesn’t make it true and is no argument at all. Just a crude cop out.

    • UCSPanther

      I think it is perfectly okay to use gunfire as a response to rock throwing…

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Deport the rock throwers to Syria – to the heart of the war. Let’s the rock throwers try their stuff against Assad men and the resistance.

    • GinoMachiavelli

      Are you special kind of stupid?

      Uber dumb?

      Or…. A tool.

      Computing……….

    • Softly Bob

      The Israelis don’t throw rocks – only the Palestinians do that. You’re clearly warped!!!!!!

      • Truth

        I’ve seen too many videos of settlers throwing rocks at Palestinians for no reason other than existing.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          If you only subscribe to the Pal-e-SWINIANS Are Victims channel then you miss out on a whole lot.

          DEAD…..Body dragged through Gaza Streets
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvr4FgtMETw

          THIS is YOUR FASCIST GAZA.

        • Softly Bob

          I doubt it, and even if they did – they were probably throwing rocks back at the ones who had thrown rocks in the first place.
          You really are a gullible idiot aren’t you?

        • Insecticide

          You mean, occasionally the “settlers” throw rocks BACK!

    • Insecticide

      “Truth” hates all dem Joos because his pecker is so tiny

    • reader

      Israel is the only country in the region that respects property rights of the palestinian Arabs, actually. More than their own HAMAS and PLO “governments.” Your “truth” is very much Orwellian truth. Truth is a lie. War is peace.

      • Truth

        Please read about how property rights are abused on a daily basis in the occupied territories. It’s not an accident that 30-40% of settlements in the West Bank are built on privately owned land. In 1947 Jews owned 6% of land in Palestine, the rest mostly being owned by Arabs, even though 56% of the land ended up being granted to the Jewish state. That doesn’t sound like respect for property rights. Just 2 days ago I read about a lovely Palestinian Christian family in Bethlehem that promotes peaceful resistance against the occupation, whose farm their family owned for 98 years is now being confiscated for the neighbouring settlements. The lady of the family stated “Nobody can force us to hate. We refuse to be enemies”. You should read about them on BBC, the article is titled “The Christian family refusing to give up its Bethlehem hill farm”. Please google them and read about their plight, and the problems many other Palestinians are facing.

        I just want to say that I do not hate Israel. Like most countries it has its problems, and criticism is a healthy thing that can improve Israel and make it better. The lack of respect for land and property ownership is something that is clearly wrong and must end.

        • reader

          The Arabs stole Jewish property – including land – in Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq. As for Christians, statistics are clear: Christian Arabs are fleeing Gaza ever since Israel relinquished control over it. Sheer numbers tell the story better than any Jew hating parrot like yourself does.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          I’d take a look at how Arabs respect property rights, lives, women, children, minorities.

          Get back to us when you compare the way Israel treats people compared to how al qada, ISIS, taliban, muslim brotherhood, hamass, hezbullah treat people.

        • Stosh777

          Actually, Arabs owned only 9% of the land in Palestine in 1947. 85% of the land was state land, which was transferred from the Mandatory Authority to the Israeli, Jordanian, and Egyptian governments upon the expiry of the Mandate. Land that was privately owned stayed in the hands of their owners. Get your facts straight, “Truth”.

        • truebearing

          Here is what you left out, dumb a*s: much of the privately owned land was worth very little back then and was sold to immigrating Jews by Arabs. They were generally paid more for the unproductive land than it was worth at the time. The Arabs were quite happy to sell the land. This makes your bullsh!t analysis a total fraud.

          Our leftist run city governments exercise the right of eminent domain all of the time. Are you whining about that?

  • Ken Kelso

    Marc Ellis was basically fired from Baylor for assaulting a woman.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/03/ken-starr-targets-liberal-icon-for-sexual-misdeeds.html
    Ken Starr Redux: Lefty Icon Targeted Over Alleged Sexual Misconduct
    By Kiera Feldman
    March 5, 2012

    Former Special Prosecutor Ken Starr would rather be known as “Uncle Ken.” That’s how he refers to himself around Baylor University students in Waco, Texas, where he has been president since 2010. But for Starr, who very nearly took down Bill Clinton and helped uncover the president’s affair with Monica Lewinsky, history seems to have a way of repeating itself. Once again, he is trying to oust a liberal icon for alleged sexual misconduct with a subordinate. This time around his target is noted leftist Baylor professor Marc Ellis.

    This morning, the Starr administration began a three-day dismissal hearing that was the culmination of a year-long investigation into Ellis’s alleged misdeeds. The tenured professor and director of Baylor’s Center for Jewish Studies is a leading critic of Israeli policies toward Palestinians, which earned him a spot in conservative author David Horowitz’s book The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America.

    Ellis is charged with sexual misconduct, which at Baptist-affiliated Baylor is a far-reaching category indeed. The school’s faculty handbook, which notes that “human sexuality is a gift from the creator God,” defines sexual misconduct as “sexual abuse, sexual harassment, sexual assault, incest, adultery, fornication, and homosexual acts.”

    The details of the charges against Ellis have not been fully disclosed, but the events under investigation date back nearly a decade, to when the complaining witness was Ellis’s graduate assistant, a fortysomething Ph.D. student who became a “close friend of Marc’s,” as Ellis’s lawyer, Roger Sanders, puts it. After completing her Ph.D., the woman came aboard as a Baylor faculty member. According to a letter sent to Starr by the American Association of University Professors, in March 2011 the woman filed an EEOC complaint of sexual harassment against Ellis. The Starr administration offered a settlement in exchange for Ellis’s departure; Ellis declined. And so the Starr administration opened a wide-ranging investigation, phoning just about everybody who’s ever known Ellis, trawling for what Baylor institutional lawyers called “abuse of authority.”

    Ellis has argued that Starr, a conservative evangelical Christian, intends to “remake Baylor in his own image.” The professor’s supporters, led by Cornel West and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, launched a petition urging Starr to “stop persecution against Prof. Marc Ellis.” Not everyone at Baylor agrees. “I can understand withholding judgment. I can understand presumption of innocence. But I don’t understand presumption of persecution,” said Professor Barry Hankins, a colleague of Ellis’s in the history department. He chided West and friends for “rushing to Ellis’s defense” without knowing the facts.

    Baylor officials swear up and down that Starr has had nothing to do with the investigation of Ellis and had no role in approving the charges. But university bylaws give Starr the final say after the judiciary committee gives its recommendation. Ellis and his lawyer, Roger Sanders, provided New York with three additional pieces of evidence to support the claim that Starr is pulling the strings:

    According to Ellis, on June 29, 2011, during Ellis’s first meeting with Baylor lawyer Doug Welch, Welch said Starr had “tasked” him to proceed with charges.
    According to Sanders, during his first meeting with Welch on July 1, 2011, Welch told him that both Starr and Baylor Provost Elizabeth Davis had authorized the charges.

    Sanders provided to New York a July 25, 2011 e-mail exchange between Sanders and Welch regarding students who were scrambling to rework their fall schedules upon hearing of the last-minute cancellation of Ellis’s classes. In the e-mail, Sanders proposed that Starr meet with Ellis (and the lawyers) to discuss the canceled classes because “when we first met you traced the approval of this process back to the President”; Welch’s response does not dispute that characterization. Instead, Welch replied, “While ultimately, Judge Starr will have to approve any settlement, he will not meet on this matter.”

    With the trial set to begin on Monday morning, nostalgia fans who are eager to relive Clinton’s televised impeachment hearings shouldn’t get their hopes up: As with most higher education judiciary proceedings, the Baylor hearing is a closed-door affair, lending it the air of a secret tribunal. University policy mandates “substantial evidence” that “the factual allegation more likely occurred than not.” This raises more than a few questions: Are the witnesses testifying under oath, creating the opportunity for the perjury traps that tripped up Clinton? What’s the penalty for lying? Why is this case being tried within the campus judiciary system instead of a real court with a judge? Why was Ellis suspended before his hearing? “These proceedings are confidential,” came the e-mail reply from Julie Springer, the lawyer representing Baylor’s twelve-person faculty-dismissal committee.

    To be fair, confidentiality also serves to protect potential victims from character assassination and the public glare that makes many women hesitant to bring complaints to the authorities. There will be no tell-all Starr Report this time. Still, the lack of transparency strikes an eerily familiar tone: Working in secret with minimal accountability was Starr’s modus operandi as Special Prosecutor during the Clinton administration.

    In these next few days, Baylor’s twelve-person faculty-dismissal committee will hear testimony and ultimately tell Starr whether they think Ellis should be fired. Then Starr will get to decide whatever he wants.

    Ellis can appeal Starr’s decision with Baylor’s Board of Regents, which is chaired by Neal T. “Buddy” Jones, one of Texas’s top lobbyists. Jones has said that the Regents initially had their doubts about Starr, but “we literally fell in love with him.”

    One would think Starr’s latest investigation would be prime watercooler talk around Baylor’s campus, but several faculty members told New York that no one is exactly straining their necks to peek inside the closed-door hearing. They are kind of over Ken Starr, conservative lightning rod. He’s just President Starr now. As one faculty member put it, “This is apparently considered a much bigger deal on the Internet.”

    Meanwhile, just in case the historical echoes of the Ellis case weren’t deafening enough, a notable nemesis from Starr’s past has decided to intervene.

    Last week, Susan McDougal — the former Whitewater partner of Bill and Hillary Clinton, who served 22 months in jail for refusing to answer questions about the president in front of a grand jury — e-mailed Ellis’s lawyer, Roger Sanders, to extend her sympathies. “I know how unscrupulous and dangerous a man Kenneth Starr can be,” she said. “I pray that you will be able to unmask him and his cohorts.”

  • liz

    “…he said that Israel had “kidnapped” Palestinian society so there was nothing particularly noteworthy in Palestinians kidnapping Jewish children.”
    Really? That is the most pathetic, childish excuse for justifying a crime I have ever heard. It rivals Hillary’s attack on a 12 year old girl in defense of her rapist.

  • montlasky

    We can never eliminate the “enemy within” as there are always crack-pots in our midst which is a problem the Jews have always had. I guess you can put it to “freedom of speech “if you will. I believe we must name and shame. Tell these lovely idiots to go play in the traffic. They hate being Jews. Tough for them.

  • BagLady

    Alongside the agony regarding the kidnapping by the terrorists of three Israeli teenagers,…”

    It must be agony for the families of these three boys though for no-one else, especially the government whose interests seem to have been served by this unfortunate incident.

    There are a number of things that don’t ring true in this case.

    Any ‘expert’ on kidnapping will tell you it’s a delicate situation and saving the victim’s life is number one priority. This requires careful handling as the perp could, at any moment in time, kill the poor kid.

    The Israeli government has gone against all known techniques and conducted a campaign of brute force and murder, giving the ‘kidnappers’ every excuse to take a life for a life.

    If Hamas has committed this dastardly act, why are they keeping quiet? If they are demanding prisoner swaps, why haven’t they done so already? There is no benefit in keeping us waiting.

    • American Patriot

      TurdBag Lady, Israel did nothing to deserve the kidnapping of innocent teenagers. Quit being an apologist for Islamist crimes, fool.

      • BagLady

        Blinded by patriotism, Mr American. I see no apology to Islam. I make observations about the lack of evidence and suggest Netanyahu’s response is very dangerous for these kids, if indeed they have been kidnapped by Hamas. In the meantime, he is using their disappearance as an excuse to hammer Hamas and further outrage the Palestinians. It doesn’t help too much that Abbas has joined the hunt but has his men withdraw to the sidelines when the IDF arrives on the scene to ransack homes and shoot 4 men dead.

        Evidence Mr America, evidence before the execution. That’s what we require in the civilized world.

        No doubt another ‘operation’ is in the pipeline.

        • reader

          “I see no apology to Islam.” Righ, [I just hate the Jews so much, I can't help myself]

          • BagLady

            What a pathetic response. I demand the rule of law be followed. Three kids have gone missing. Be professional in your approach to the crime. Use tried and trusted methods. Lynching is no longer ‘what we do’, don’t you know?

  • BagLady

    “…nothing particularly noteworthy in Palestinians kidnapping Jewish children.”

    However you describe these words they cannot be called “celebratory”

    There is not a single writer in FPM who has mentioned the 4 Palestinians shot dead so far this week, ‘celebratory’ or otherwise.

  • BagLady

    srael didn’t hijack 4 passenger planes on 9/11 or bomb Pan Am 103 or
    bomb London transport on 7/7/05 or use poison gas on the Kurds of
    Halabja Iraq or kill 160,000+ in Syria or behead Lee Rigby in London or
    attempt detonate a bomb hidden in their underwear or sneakers. The
    above and more are the G-dless acts of Islamofascist followers of the
    prophet of Satan called Muhajmmed.

    USS LIBERTY. Do tell…….