Andrew Klavan: Thanks, Christian White Men!

Our host offers a rare display of gratitude to the one group of people no one ever says thank you to: Christian White Men! See the video and transcript below:

TRANSCRIPT:

THANKS, CHRISTIAN WHITE MEN!

I’m Andrew Klavan and this is the Revolting Truth.

You know, so many things have gone wrong in our country recently — like the Obama administration and…  the second Obama administration…  that we sometimes forget the freedom, equal treatment and toleration most Americans have enjoyed from the very founding of this country until the Obama administration.

So today we at the Revolting Truth would like to pause a moment and express our heartfelt gratitude to the source of these blessings.  Thank you, Christian white men!

You see, as everyone knows except knuckleheads and leftists — but I repeat myself — history doesn’t happen all at once. The ancient Egyptians had all the raw materials they needed to make an electric light bulb or write the U.S. Constitution but it took millennia for mankind to come up with those ideas.  And so often, when good ideas have been discovered, it was Christian white men who led the way.

Take the abolition of slavery for instance.  Owning people was once a universal practice among humans of every color and creed.  It was Christian white men who first banned the evil permanently throughout their domain and, in America, fought and died in their hundreds of thousands to bring the institution to an end.  Thanks, Christian white men!

Or take equal rights for women.  From the middle ages on, women received better treatment in Christendom than anywhere else.  Christianity forbid polygamy and concubinage, which devalue women wherever they exist, and Christian marriage laws now thought restrictive were designed in their time to protect the rights of wives.  Today, if you’re looking for anything resembling gender equality in law, to whose countries do you turn?  That’s right!  Thanks, Christian white men.

And what about toleration for difference? Whether it was their separation of church and state, their retreat from empire or their expansion of civil rights at home, Christian white men may be the only group of people on the face of the planet who ever surrendered their monopoly on power largely because they deemed it just to do so.  And when we look back in time and accuse Christian white men of treating others unfairly, we’re holding them to standards they propagated and which we participate in because they thought it right to include us.

So once more, thanks, Christian white men for all the blessings you’ve bestowed on the rest of us.  Normally, I’d also say thanks to God but… I don’t want to offend anybody.

I’m Andrew Klavan with the Revolting Truth.

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  • DaCoachK

    White, heterosexual, Christian males are the new Nazis, everyone’s “a–holes.” If you are one of the “super-citizens,” as dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, then whatever problem you encounter in life, you have someone to blame–white males. Homos, the newest entry into the “Diversity-is-our-strength-food-chain,” batter NORMAL people on a daily basis, but they save a little bit extra for those old hateful Christian white men. Notice they NEVER say a word to Christian black men. All the deviants use the ethic and values of Christian white males against Christian white males. Who will they blame when all the Christian males have been sent to the ovens?

    • Sheik Yerbouti

      People who can’t face heir own failings always find someone or some condition to blame. It’s never them.

      The current state of this has non-white people lamenting white people at will for just being white. And yet, none of them seem to think anything is wrong with this.

      And really, they don’t give a squat what faith a white man keeps. They hate him for being white, not for being Christian or what have you. They don’t know his faith when they sucker punch or gang up on him.

      None of this will be settled using Christian rules. We must engage these childish savages on terms they can understand. Clearly they don’t give a crap about any rules we have made in the last few thousand years.

      And yes, if white men are so horrible, why follow them around?

      • Alisia S

        One would think that given the copius amounts of hatred directed at white men, that his detractors would be fleeing frantically from his evil nations. Instead, we see the exact opposite!

        • Sheik Yerbouti

          They will follow white people to Antarctica.

    • Evermyrtle

      What makes a man a Christian? His acceptance of of JESUS CHRIST AS SON OF GOD AND SAVIOR OF MANKIND. When we accept HIM we also accept HIS commandments, that is part of the deal. HE said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.!” It is not a selfish free ride, you have obligations, which we find in Matthew 22:37-40

      37. JESUS said,”Thou shalt love the LORD the GOD with all thy heart, and with all the soul and with all thy mind.
      38. This is the first and great commandment.
      39. And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as they self.
      40 On these two commandments hang all the laws and the prophets.

      Of course if you love GOD you will not disobey HIS WORD, you will be eager to do what HE says and if you love your neighbor as yourself you will do nothing to harm him. With love for our neighbor we would never have wars. Wars are caused by hatred for others not love. Putting our selves and our own, ahead of others means we love.
      ourselves more that we love others.

      GOD does not look upon us as white man, black man, red man, yellow man, it is the black heart filled with hate, which will destroy us. We must wash our hearts out with the “pure love of GOD” to win the prize of eternal life with HIM.

      This world is a vast quagmire of individuals fighting for things for ourselves and our own people, instead of working together for the good of GOD and mankind. Again, this is what causes wars, killing millions of other people, and destroying trillions of dollars worth of property, in wars, which is showing, that we do the opposite of love for our neighbors, we hate them. Hatred, self love and greed, coupled as one, is the most destructive disease in existence, it will destroy the world.

    • Drakken

      Our Balkanization is almost complete, just a little more push and the shove will come with a very bloody vengeance.

    • Michigan Patriot

      Ditto ! Bravo !

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  • Charles Martel

    You forgot to thank us for the most important thing we helped or allowed, the establishment of radical liberalism, feminism, equality of all, which is leading to the very destruction of the white male. It reminds me of an elite Frenchman during the French Revolution when asked why he didn’t see the destruction of the elites and work to stop it instead of supporting it. Paraphrase, “we knew it would lead to our destruction but we were caught up in the excitement of the moment.”

    • Judahlevi

      There is no such thing as the “white male” or any other abstract group creation. They do not exist in reality.

      There is also no such thing as collective pride or collective guilt. One can have pride in what one accomplishes, not in what someone else accomplishes.

      If you agree with the multiculturalists that we are groups, not individuals, and we share collective guilt or pride, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

      • justsayin

        Following your logic, Sir, one would be unable to tell which of these two groups of men put a man on the moon….

        .

      • Edward E

        Anti-Whites decided EVERY White country should be a “melting pot”!

        I didn’t. My people didn’t, there was no public voting on this.

        So why do they have the moral authority to flood my people with millionscof non-White immigrants, then FORCE assimilate these non-Whites with my people until we become minorities in our own homes?
Why isn’t Africa, or Asia, or the Middle east a “melting pot”.

        If all this “diversity” and “multiculturalism” is so good, why keep it for EVERY and ONLY White countries?

        • kevinstroup

          Probably because whites are being hoisted upon their own petard. We whites are the morons going about foisting multiculturalism upon everyone. We deserve this crap. We produce it.

          • Moa

            Actually, no. Look at the United Nations. The “white” countries are completely outvoted, except in the Security Council. It is not only white liberals doing this. Many non-whites are working toward the destruction of “white” (Enlightenment) civilization.

          • Drakken

            And we will one way or another end it.

      • Drakken

        Sorry to contradict you ole Mate but, Western Civilization is a collection of tribes as any other group. Multiculturalism and diversity are one way tickets to Balkanization with its very bloody conclusion, and history always reminds us of these facts, but we think we are above all that ancient animosity, we aren’t.

  • trapper

    Yes, the Left uses present day value to condemn western (only western) civilization using contemporary standards. Of course, this is an intellectual fallacy producing temprocentric “anachronisms”. Its cousin, ethnocentricism, the judging of other cultures using one’s own values, is condemned by the Left. The reason for this inconsistency is that it suits the Left to condemn western civilization by condemning its past from which we have progressed and then to claim that the superior western civilization is equal to savage, barbaric, and flawed contemporary cultures.

    • Trevor Pilsbury

      GAS DYNAMICS,

  • trapper

    A la Gramsci. the form of class division has new content: White = capitalist and “of color” = the proletariat. This formula has been imposed on the middle east in the last few decades making white Israel the oppressor and the “of color” Arabs the oppressed. All very pathological and in need of careful psychological analysis. Did I say the Left is insane”? Well, yes I did.

    • Lightbringer

      Okay, but Israel is not white. Whenever I see a news photograph of a bunch of soldiers in that part of the world and one (or more) of them is (are) black, I know that they are Israeli. There are no black “Palestinians”. And the majority of Israeli Jews have parents or grandparents who came from Arab countries, and they look exactly like their former neighbors. So while there are plenty of red-haired, blue-eyed, melanin challenged Jews like me, we come in every color and so race cannot meaningfully be used in any Gramscian divisions. Not that that stops anyone on the left.

      • Drakken

        Because Israel is part and parcel of Western Civilization, hence in the leftist eyes, they are the problem, not the ragheads working overtime for their destruction.

        • Lightbringer

          Yup. You got that right.

  • Richard O. Mann

    Rich white men made this country, and rich white men are destroying this country. And they have a black dude in the White House to blame it on. Outstanding.

    • Trevor Pilsbury

      ELECTRODYNAMICS,

  • AbuShy

    I chose this to share since nobody sees My Face on Spacebook. That and the fact that it isn’t “nice” to say anything nice about WASPs…(;~))

  • hjo

    THANKS FOR BEING SO ‘UNPOLITICALY CORRECT’ – funny how truth does that.

  • ray

    “Today, if you’re looking for anything resembling gender equality in law, to whose countries do you turn? That’s right! Thanks, Christian white men.”
    Uh huh. Well you ain’t welcome. BTW when are Christian White Men — or heck, just men and boys generally — going to get some of that ‘gender equality in law’? Because if you imagine that your feminist governments, courts, judges, and cops are actually supporting ‘equality’ in your Justsis Sistem, you are outta your mind. You might want to look at, you know, the actual facts concerning VAST gender disparities (i.e., non-equality) in arrests, convictions, sentencing, punishment, and on. And on.
    Not to mention, you need to actually VISIT a modern fem-courtroom and see that what takes place there is female supremacism and tyranny. Not your silly deity Equality.
    No better proof could exist about what Equality and Gender-Equality really mean than the beatdown of U.S. men and boys in the Justsis Sistem over the past three decades. ‘Equality’ is the lie that just keeps on giving . . . from males to females.

    • 1PierreMontagne1

      You are correct about the present situation .

      The developments for which Klaven thanks “White Christian Men” is referred to in history as “Modernity” or the “Modern era”. “Modernity” indicates what took place under Christianity. That all ended in the early 20th century. What happened next is termed the “Post Modern era” “Post” as in “after “Christianity” is what we are seeing ans what you have summarized. Today we are even coming to the end of the “Post Modern era” Currenlty we are a western society in which Christianity no longer holds sway or much of any influence. Liberalism now dominates. You cannot be Liberal and be a Christian they are incompatible. None the less vast numbers of peope claim they are both Christian and LIberals at the same time. Liberalism is anti-tradition, anti-religion, anti morality, anti-ethics in short anti-Law. To liberals the end justifies the means and Christianity unless re-written to appease Liberal desires and views is an impediment to the Liberal world and therefore to be persecuted. .

      • ray

        Hi Pierre thx for the reply.
        I was a little hard on this author and piece, but for a reason. The embrace of Equality, Egalitarianism, and all the other (wonderful sounding!) doctrines of the (un)Enlightenment IS liberalism . . . to the core.
        Yet here we are on a ‘conservative’ site. . . whose header expressly DENOUNCES liberalism. That’s what angered me, because it’s the same duplicity I’ve witnessed from ‘conservatives’ and Republicants for four decades now — co-option of Conservatism on the surface, but in practice, merely liberalism-lite. It’s no wonder the nation’s been stuck in the deadzone for decades. Both sides of the aisle pretend to be at each others’ throats — often truly believe that they are at each others’ throats — but in reality, they are preaching the very same rot. Rot that has FAILED decade after decade, and is only sustainable b/c the U.S. was the richest, most powerful nation the planet has ever had.
        Cheers.

        • http://www.dilbert.com scook84

          There is Classical Liberalism, of which you and I remember, and “LIBERALISM”, which is really an euphemism for “Progressive”, AKA Leftist.

          After the debacle of Woodrow Wilson, and especially after WWII, when Progressives fell out of favor on the world stage, they renamed themselves “LIBERALS”.

          A rose by any other name would smell as sweet..

          But a “LIBERAL” is a Marxist in sheep’s clothing.

          You can actually see this happening now, as former “LIBERALS” are now calling themselves “PROGRESSIVES” again.

          Classical Liberals like Lieberman were kicked out of the club.

          <3 Muah!

          • Ellen_L

            The first and most important things they stole were names and words. Important because they stole the concepts and packaged them with their opposites to entice and fool people. Liberal once meant classical liberalism – the values of the enlightenment that helped form this nation and why it is exceptional. Political concepts like rule of law, republican forms of governance, free market capitalism, an end to slavery, respect for the individual, liberty of religion and thought in general, liberty to act on one’s reasoned judgment and the responsibility for the consequences. All based on a view of man (ultimately all human beings) as free and responsible individuals capable of thinking, creating and living well.
            This stolen concept is why there is such a split between fiscal and social liberty among conservatives, and it explains how the current progressive liberals over time erased both liberty ideas from the concept liberal which was based on the concept liberty.
            Libertarian is a poor substitute but it is what we currently have and it is being misused. Concepts are hard won and need words attached to hold – stolen names are far more dangerous than most folks realize.

          • ray

            When I was a kid in my Fifties working-class town, everybody voted Dem bc they were, to some extent, the party of middle/lower class working M-E-N. Not female-headed ‘families’. The Dems also supported the unions, which back then aided these same family-supporting MEN.
            Now we have two (supposedly warring) parties/groups, neither of which represent men in any sense, but who particularly destroy middle and working class men, and destroy any attempt those men make to form and lead families. Because that’d be Oppression of course. Against the ‘civil rights’ of women.
            My main point was, both the Left and Right have ridden the Equality/Egalitarian/MultiKulti train for the past four decades, to their great enrichment, and to their (twinned) consolidation of power . . . exclusive of ANY outside influence.
            The OP trumpeted the wonderful progress concerning ‘gender equality in law’ and ‘equal rights for women’ — the agendas of the extremist Left. And just like the Republicans and the Right in general, these ‘advances’ are hailed as assumptive triumphs in the OP. WHY are ‘conservatives’ continuing to promote the totalitarianism of the Left? “Front Page” — and every other non-prog publication, instead should be savaging the utter failure of these anti-equity, anti-freedom Enlightenment monstrosities of pseudo-philosophy.
            America is in terminal decline from ‘gender equality’ and ‘equal rights for women’ which, decades ago, predictably morphed into female-supremacism — in law, education, employment, social services, and everything else. These ‘advances’ led directly to the broken and spiritually-blasted nation now before us. Yet here is “Front Page” — and most of the balance of ‘conservatism’ — STILL carrying the water for the very special-interests and twisted ideologies of those who destroyed the nation.
            I belabor these points, because they illustrate perfectly why America is in the shape it is. Cheers.

    • b g

      Things can change. Canada is starting to alter decades of feminist foolishness…and we had gone further than the USA because we actually had publicly funded activists.

  • tagalog

    It’s not just white Christian men. Western men in general are responsible for the things Mr. Klaven mentions. On the first issue he raised of the light bulb, it was Westerners who discovered electricity, Westerners who learned to blow glass, Westerners who learned how to exploit tungsten, and Westerners who learned how to harness electricity and make it available for public use. Jews and Christians alike, with even an occasional heretic or atheist once in while. Westerners. Not Easterners. The Chinese had silk and gunpowder, it’s true, and Westerners stole that, but even the Chinese had to have electricity and the other technology for light bulbs given to them by the Western colonial powers.

    And don’t let’s forget Anglo-Saxon law.

    • 1PierreMontagne1

      You choose to replace the word “White Christian Men” with the term “Western Men”. Everyone you are talking about lived west of the orient, became truly civilized through the Judeo/Christian expansion culminating in the reformation and were virtually all Caucasian as in white. Klaven was right if he had mentioned God the types who change “White Christian Men to be “Western men” would no doubt be offended.

      • tagalog

        Say what?

  • liz

    I agree that white European males led the way in advancing civilization, but it was often in spite of Christianity, not because of it.
    Christianity was an improvement over more ancient religions in that it came up with a way to free people from a lot of primitive theocratic laws and rituals, but it replaced them with a lot of its own, and resisted further attempts at reform in every generation (resulting in the splintering of the Church into hundreds of different denominations, each one claiming its own version of biblical “truth”).
    John Calvin, for example, was a religious totalitarian who employed religious police to control every aspect of his citizens lives, and burned people at the stake for disagreeing with his version of religion.
    Most Church leaders resisted scientific progress because it often contradicted the Bible, and thus undermined their own authority. As a result, many scientists and philosophers of the Enlightenment were persecuted by the Church.
    So, Mr. Klavan, if you’re going to give white males credit for advancing civilization, go for it! But give them credit for using their own intelligence to do it.

    • Trevor Pilsbury

      A careful study of history reveals that technology and modern science was, in fact, pioneered by Christians. The case is made by Dr. Ian Hutchison and Dr. Loren Eiseley at the various links here…

      http://www.tektonics.org/scim/sciencemony.htm

      A sampling of notable Christian scientists:

      ANTISEPTIC SURGERY,

      • Trevor Pilsbury

        CHEMISTRY,

    • Trevor Pilsbury

      A careful study of history reveals that technology and modern science was, in fact, pioneered by Christians. The case is made by Dr. Ian Hutchison and Dr. Loren Eiseley at the various links here…

      http://www.tektonics.org/scim/sciencemony.htm

      A sampling of notable Christian scientists:

      ANTISEPTIC SURGERY, JOSEPH LISTER (1827-1912)
      BACTERIOLOGY, LOUIS PASTEUR (1822-1895)
      CALCULUS, ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727)
      CELESTIAL MECHANICS, JOHANN KEPLER (1571-1630)
      CHEMISTRY, ROBERT BOYLE (1627-1691)
      COMPARATIVE ANATOMY, GEORGES CUVIER (1769-1832)
      COMPUTER SCIENCE, CHARLES BABBAGE (1792-1871)
      DIMENSIONAL ANALYSIS, LORD RAYLEIGH (1842-1919)
      DYNAMICS, ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727)
      ELECTRONICS, JOHN AMBROSE FLEMING (1849-1945)
      ELECTRODYNAMICS, JAMES CLERK MAXWELL (1831-1879)
      ELECTRO-MAGNETICS, MICHAEL FARADAY (1791-1867)
      ENERGETICS, LORD KELVIN (1824-1907)
      ENTOMOLOGY OF LIVING INSECTS , HENRI FABRE (1823-1915)
      FIELD THEORY, MICHAEL FARADAY (1791-1867)
      FLUID MECHANICS, GEORGE STOKES (1819-1903)
      GALACTIC ASTRONOMY, WILLIAM HERSCHEL (1738-1822)
      GAS DYNAMICS, ROBERT BOYLE (1627-1691)
      GENETICS, GREGOR MENDEL (1822-1884)
      GLACIAL GEOLOGY, LOUIS AGASSIZ (1807-1873)
      GYNECOLOGY, JAMES SIMPSON (1811-1870)
      HYDRAULICS LEONARDO DA VINCI (1452-1519)
      HYDROGRAPHY, MATTHEW MAURY (1806-1873)
      HYDROSTATICS, BLAISE PASCAL (1623-1662)
      ICHTHYOLOGY, LOUIS AGASSIZ (1807-1873)
      ISOTOPIC CHEMISTRY, WILLIAM RAMSAY (1852-1916)
      MODEL ANALYSIS, LORD RAYLEIGH (1842-1919)
      NATURAL HISTORY, JOHN RAY (1627-1705)
      NON-EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY, BERNHARD RIEMANN (1826- 1866)
      OCEANOGRAPHY, MATTHEW MAURY (1806-1873)
      OPTICAL MINERALOGY, DAVID BREWSTER (1781-1868)
      PALEONTOLOGY, JOHN WOODWARD (1665-1728)
      PATHOLOGY, RUDOLPH VIRCHOW (1821-1902)
      PHYSICAL ASTRONOMY, JOHANN KEPLER (1571-1630)
      REVERSIBLE THERMODYNAMICS, JAMES JOULE (1818-1889)
      STATISTICAL THERMODYNAMICS, JAMES CLERK MAXWELL (1831-1879)
      STRATIGRAPHY, NICHOLAS STENO (1631-1686)
      SYSTEMATIC BIOLOGY, CAROLUS LINNAEUS (1707-1778)
      THERMODYNAMICS , LORD KELVIN (1824-1907)
      THERMOKINETICS, HUMPHREY DAVY (1778-1829)
      VERTEBRATE PALEONTOLOGY, GEORGES CUVIER (1769-1832)

      • justsayin

        It’s the old “Christians are backward” blood libel, again.

        • liz

          I’m not saying Christians are backwards. I’m just saying that in many cases they achieved their contributions to science and civilization in spite of the Church, whose leaders were more concerned with maintaining control through their religious authority than with encouraging scientific progress.

      • liz

        Yes, of course many if not most scientists were Christians, since most of the European population was Christian. Simply a matter of percentages.

    • cjkcjk

      Fantastic display of historical and factual IGNORANCE on your part.

      • liz

        Everything I stated is a fact.

        • cjkcjk

          That’s your problem, ignorance that believe fantasys are fact. You’re a liar too.

          • liz

            Yes, when you lose an argument, resort to slander.

          • cjkcjk

            Truth is not slander.

          • liz

            Then what is the lie you accuse me of?

          • cjkcjk

            The entire premise that the Christian ethic and the culture it produced had nothing to do with Western advancement you dolt.

          • liz

            I never said that.
            I simply pointed out some of the negative aspects of Christianity, and the positive influence of human intelligence that did have a role in advancing civilization.
            If you can’t acknowledge that much, then you’re the lying dolt.

          • cjkcjk

            LOL! No you didn’t did you liar. ‘In spite of Christianity’? When you lie, you need to do so after your words are forgotten, not written above! LOL!

          • liz

            I said “often”, not “always”.
            When you slander people, you shouldn’t do it in defense of “truth”. It kind of makes your self righteousness stink.

          • cjkcjk

            When you hit bottom and are a liar I guess you just keep digging Liz

          • liz

            Yep that’s what you’re doing.

  • Alisia S

    Bravo, Andrew! I couldn’t agree more.

  • Anonymous

    KKK.

    • cjkcjk

      Those would be White leftist Democrats, not true Christians by any interpretation or stretch of Christian Scripture, but it fits EXACTLY to a tee leftists historically.

  • Anonymous

    Andrew KKKLaven.

    • Drakken

      Well if it isn’t ole Steve running his Black panther mouth just like clockwork.

  • Anonymous

    Ready to be a minority, Andrew KKKlaven?

    • UCSPanther

      Ready to make a fool of yourself?

      Oh wait, you already are…

    • Drakken

      You of the 3rd world forget, you need us, we don’t need you, and if you continue with your 3rd world ways, we will be the 3rd world and all that it entails. Welcome to the new Balkans, so be careful what you wish for.

  • Ellen_L

    One does not have to and in fact can not tell the whole story of civilization in a short humorous video. It is astonishing how articulate and to the point Andrew Klavan is. He was not putting down women, non Christians, non whites or anyone, he was making the point that at the time that the enlightenment made this nation possible the political power was in the hands of white Christian men who took the concepts seriously enough to eventually extent them to everyone.

  • ylem

    White European Americans need to have a lot more children to counteract Obama’s illegal actions in regard to illegal aliens.

  • johnnywood

    You are very welcome Andrew:-)

  • Simon

    Why do all these third world religionists and Africans keep following white men around the globe?

    Is it because we protect them and make their lives worth living?

    The problem is that these third worlders are racist to a man and if they aren’t racist,they are religious supremacists,usually both.

    We put up with this because of white liberals and feminists and their vulgar little power trip over proper productive males.

    The Orientals are not so stupid.

    I see it this way:
    Detroit 1940′s….Productive,safe etc…
    Hiroshima 1940′s…Nuclear wasteland.

    Detroit 2014 …Wasteland even though it never took a nuclear hit.
    Hiroshima 2014…….Prosperous despite having taken a nuclear hit.

    Why?

  • fpm

    True Christ followers are skin color blind, and yes the earlier Christ followers are white skin people. It’s not just men, but women alike, contributed to the advanced of the Western culture. But should the believers boasted about it? No, they should give thanks to the only one LORD and proclaim their believes and stand firm on their ground, lest they forgot where their strength came from and forfeit their blessings from Heaven.

    • Roger Noah

      I do not think Andrew is boasting about it. He is just providing a counterbalance to the popular media view that Christian white men are the root of all ills, and must be dis-empowered even as other groups are empowered with or without merit (as in affirmative action). Or that white men and women must by the only ones that are required to be color-blind and multicultural, while all of the others are expected to cultivate pride in their cultural and genetic heritage.

  • Tellus

    That this view is considered outrageous by American liberals shows how far gone America now is. Never expected in my lifetime to see the USA subverted and destroyed but I guess if you live long enough anything can happen.