A new audio surfaces of Feisal Abdul Rauf explaining how the U.S. is worse than al-Qaeda.
Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Pamela Geller, founder, editor and publisher of the popular and award-winning weblog AtlasShrugs.com. She has won acclaim for her interviews with internationally renowned figures, including John Bolton, Geert Wilders, Bat Ye’or, Natan Sharansky, and many others, and has broken numerous important stories — notably the questionable sources of some of the financing of the Obama campaign. Her op-eds have been published in The Washington Times, The American Thinker, Israel National News, Frontpage Magazine, World Net Daily, and New Media Journal, among other publications. She is the co-author (with Robert Spencer) of the new book, The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America (forward by Ambassador John Bolton).
FP: Pamela Geller, welcome to Frontpage Interview.
I would like to talk you today about the discovery of more extreme and troubling statements that have come from the "moderate" Ground Zero mosque Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. A new audio has surfaced. Tell us about it and when was it recorded.
Geller: Thanks Jamie, the audiotape, segments of which are available at AtlasShrugs.com, was recorded on July 12, 2005. It’s a speech Rauf gave at The Bob Hawke Prime Ministerial Centre in Australia. The speech reveals that he is not even close to being the “moderate” that the media always portrays him as being. This speech Rauf delivered contains numerous statements that belie his moderate image and raise serious questions about what the mega-mosque will really be standing for once it is up and running in lower Manhattan.
Like Osama bin Laden and other jihadis, Rauf blames America and sees America as more evil than the terrorists. Here is what he says about how the U.S. is worse than Al-Qaeda:
We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non-Muslims. You may remember that the US-led sanctions against Iraq led to the death of over half a million Iraqi children. This has been documented by the United Nations. And when Madeleine Albright, who has become a friend of mine over the last couple of years, when she was Secretary of State and was asked whether this was worth it, said it was worth it.
We all know what a profoundly misleading statement this is. It is curious that Rauf makes no mention of the 270 million victims of over a millennium of jihadi wars, land appropriations, cultural annihilation and enslavement. Nor does he say anything about the recent slaughter by Muslims of Christians, Hindus, Jews, and non-believers in Indonesia, Thailand, Ethiopia, Somalia, Philippines, Lebanon, Israel, Russia, China. Rauf’s words manifest no candor, no willingness to admit that Muslims have ever done anything wrong. He shows none of the mutual respect and readiness to take responsibility that we might expect from someone with such a reputation as a “moderate.”
FP: This imam is painted to be some kind of great “moderate” but I am yet to hear what kind of reformation he is promoting for Islam.
Geller: Well Jamie, that’s because he isn’t calling out for any significant reforms. He says straight out that “Islam does not need a reformation.” He doesn’t say anything at all about all the jihadis who use Islamic texts to justify violence.
Also, in the course of his remarks in the speech we’re discussing, he uses the “N” word, referring to “n----rs or whities.” I can’t help form wondering: Is the Reverend Al Sharpton, who has endorsed the Islamic supremacist mosque at Ground Zero, going to come forward and say something about this? Will he condemn Rauf? Will the mainstream media say something about it? Will they condemn Rauf? For whatever point the Imam was arguably trying to make, by what standards is he let off the hook for using the word, while others, like Dr. Laura recently (who used the term to make a point about its usage), is not and widely condemned?
Please, Rev. Sharpton and the media, do come forward and explain this all to us, so we’ll know the way that Rauf is using the “N” word that is acceptable for everyone else to use it.
FP: Rauf also shows a reluctance to admit that Muslims were involved in Islamic terrorism, right?
Geller: Yes, Jamie. At one point he says: “And when we observe terrorism, whether it was done by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka or by al-Qaeda or whoever is behind the bombings in London or those in Madrid…” Note that when he says about the London and Madrid bombings, he was speaking five days after the London attacks and over a year after those in Madrid. It was common knowledge who the perpetrators were at that time. But maybe Rauf didn’t want his listeners to be thinking about exactly who they were.
And while Imam Feisal speaks of tolerance, he praises the worst extremists and inciters to genocide. In his address in Australia he said he had just come from a conference in Jordan featuring “over 170 leading Muslim scholars from almost every part of the Muslim world, including some of the most important names like Sheikh Tantawi of Egypt, Sheikh Ali Gomaa, who is the Chief Mufti of Egypt, the Chief Mufti of Jordan, the Sheikh Al-Qaradawi, who is a very very well known Islamic jurist, highly regarded all over the Muslim world.”
The late Sheikh Tantawi several years ago endorsed suicide attacks against Israelis, as did Sheikh Qaradawi. Sheikh Gomaa has defended Islam’s death penalty for apostasy and sanction for wife-beating, and has endorsed the jihad terror group Hezbollah.
FP: And yet the media nurtures Rauf’s reputation to be that of a moderate.
Geller: That’s right, Jamie. And Rauf shows his true colors regarding Israel, also. He says he wants a “one-state solution” for Israel and the Palestinians. Given his advocacy for Islamic law, that means an Islamic supremacist Sharia state in which Jews are denied equal rights – when they aren’t killed outright.
FP: Why isn’t the mainstream media reporting on these statements by Rauf?
Geller: The only reason I can think of is that they are trying to protect him. With red flags everywhere in Rauf’s record and the nationwide grief caused by this grotesque act of Islamic supremacism, why isn’t the media doing its job of investigative journalism? It seems to me that it is because the media is rabid in its frenzy to destroy good, decent Americans who oppose a 15-story mega-mosque on Ground Zero.
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s rhetoric is ugly, racist, anti-American, and anti-Semitic, all wrapped up in “inter-faith” propaganda. But don’t expect to hear about it from Wolf Blitzer.
FP: Pamela Geller, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview.