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[Order Michael Finch’s new book, A Time to Stand: HERE. Prof. Jason Hill calls it “an aesthetic and political tour de force.”]
On Oct 7, 2001, the United States began an ill-fated campaign to ‘nation build’ Afghanistan.
Now 24 years after that anniversary and 2 years after the Oct 7 attacks by Hamas, we may be on the cusp of an even worse nation-building program in Gaza that seems to have learned absolutely nothing from the disastrous nation-building operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Right down to resurrecting former UK PM Tony Blair to head ‘nation building’ in Gaza.
Nation building in Afghanistan and Iraq failed for three reasons.
- The Bush administration believed that the problem in Afghanistan, Iraq and other Muslim countries wasn’t the people, their culture or Islamic religion, but their governments.
- Bringing ‘democracy’ and ‘free enterprise’ into murderous tribal societies was supposed to marginalize Islamic terrorists by giving the locals something better to do than kill infidels.
- Foreign aid experts and world government types would build a ‘technocratic’ government propped up by international investments to turn Afghanistan and Iraq into Switzerland.
A generation later all of this seems idiotic and insane. And we’re about to do it all over again.
The Gaza ‘peace plan’ is based on these same three fantasies that failed disastrously in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of this would work even if Hamas did not exist. Since Hamas does exist and runs Gaza, it will fail even faster than Afghanistan or Iraq did. The only question is how much it will cost us. And how badly it will destabilize the region and spread Islamic terrorism.
The Gaza peace plan is rife with bullet points about “technocratic, apolitical governance”, “Arab partners”, “panels of experts” and using “international standards to create modern and efficient governance” that could have been taken from the nation building plans for Afghanistan and Iraq, not to mention the original efforts to create a ‘Palestinian’ state or the efforts to turn Gaza into a testbed for a ‘Palestinian’ state that allowed Hamas to take over.
The Bush G8 statement on Gaza in 2004 promised to “build democratic, transparent and accountable Palestinian institutions”, using the World Bank as a “transparent mechanism for receipt of international assistance” and “fair and transparent” elections.
3 years later, Hamas was in complete control of Gaza. Why?
The Arab Muslim population occupying Gaza did not want “technocratic experts” or “peaceful coexistence”. Neither did the Afghans or Iraqis. We deluded ourselves into thinking they did.
They wanted an Islamic state and a perpetual war with the rest of the non-Muslim world. Until we recognize this, every ‘nation building’ program for the Muslim world will end the same way whether it’s Bush’s democracy, Obama’s New Middle East or new efforts to make over Gaza.
When nation building programs are announced, “international experts” and aid groups swarm to come up with exciting ideas involving solar panels and microfinance, solicit billions in aid and then vacation in the Swiss Alps while the Islamic terrorists on the ground cash the checks.
The Taliban took over Afghanistan using the money we spent sending aid, building roads and funding schools to win the ‘hearts and minds’ of the Afghans. The Houthis built their war machine in Yemen on the backs of the aid we sent to fix their fake famine. Hamas has been doing the same thing. The more money goes into Gaza, the bigger the terrorists get.
The Gaza peace plan, like all nation-building projects, pretends that some ‘international’ system will do the heavy lifting. As generations of UN peacekeeping forces should have taught us, we are the only ones who will be doing any heavy lifting, both financially and militarily, if needed.
The plan depends on international monitors, observers and experts to confirm that Hamas is disarming, to oversee aid, to negotiate future conflicts and run Gaza. We’ve tried all that as recently as Lebanon last year and it still doesn’t work. And that globalist fantasy will never work.
The proposed International Stabilisation Force (ISF) is just a rebranded UN peacekeeping force (minus the UN logo) that will either consist of countries too afraid to fight Islamic terrorists, like the UN peacekeeping forces in Lebanon, or Muslim forces actively supportive of the terrorists. When another conflict breaks out, we’ll be the ones expected to prop up the ISF’s legitimacy.
And that’s exactly why we weren’t able to get out of Iraq or Afghanistan.
Our efforts to turn over operations to the locals in Iraq and Afghanistan proved impossible because the local forces were either Jihadis or corrupt cowards. Gaza will be even worse.
The Gaza ‘peace plan’ calls for the ISF to train and support “vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza”. The only ‘police forces’ in Gaza are Hamas which has been running it for 18 years. The only competing forces are those of the PLO in the West Bank. When the Clinton administration tried to set up ‘Palestinian police forces’, it armed and trained the Islamic terror groups who went on to wreak havoc with attacks and suicide bombings across Israel.
Where are the “vetted police forces” supposed to come from in an area where the only ones who have military training and police experience are members of Islamic terrorist groups?
The question is the answer. In Afghanistan, we armed the private armies of Jihadi warlords. In Iraq, we armed Shiite Jihadi militias. In Gaza, we’re going to arm the PLO and Hamas while executing a plan to ‘disarm’ Hamas. Hamas terrorists will just become Hamas police officers.
Hamas will hand over its weapons to itself as part of the “buy back and reintegration program” described in the peace plan. And if we’re lucky, we’ll get to pay Hamas to turn over its weapons to itself which will be an even better scam than anything the Afghans or Iraqis pulled on us.
The long term ‘plan’ is for the PLO to complete a “reform program” and have its ‘Palestinian Authority’ take control of Gaza. Every single administration, beginning with the Clinton administration, which created the Palestinian Authority, based its peace plan on reforming it.
None of those proposals ever worked. What are the odds they’ll work any better now?
During the Oct 7 war, the PLO and Hamas went to Moscow and Beijing to negotiate a unity agreement. Elements of the PLO took part in the Oct 7 attacks and the terrorist authority continues to call for Jihad. But if you can’t trust a Communist-Islamist terror group to ‘reform’ after 30 years of broken promises, lies and terrorism, whom can you trust to run Gaza?
The Gaza peace plan is not realistic about the causes of war, and about the reasons why nation building failed in Iraq and Afghanistan, instead it revives world government proposals as the solution to everything even though those proposals not only failed, but led to more terrorism.
America should not be in Gaza. We should not be sending aid, nation building, policing or negotiating anything in that particular hellhole or anywhere in the Muslim world. If we haven’t learned that lesson after 7,000 dead and over $1 trillion spent, when will we finally learn?
You prefer hostages murdered, odd.
Where’s William Tecumseh Sherman when you need him. Just put a bounty on Palestinian scalps and send the George Armstrong Custers of the world after those tribal savages.
He prefers Ham-ass executed. We wl get the hostage corpses back thanks to President Trump but then it’s open season on your jihadi pals by the IDF.
If I ever met you, I would crush your skull with my bare hands, bitch.
I prefer dead terrorists to live hostage takers who will then take more hostages.
I agree with you Daniel. The IDF should be allowed to finish eliminating Hamas, with extreme prejudice..
Yes, I want to see ALL the Paleosimian terrorists dead. Why do we tolerate them? We don’t tolerate cockroaches or even spiders in our homes and spiders actually eat bugs that are pests.
The “peace deal” is dead on arrival. As if the Paleos would ever lay down their arms willingly or join humanity.
Yeah, it is DOA. I was watching videos of Hamas retaking control in Gaza. Gave me a headache.
But you assume hamas will keep their end of the 21 point bargain. i’m betting they will not & there will be a more just solution.
Gaza was given to Israel by God Himself. It’s a totally different situation than Afghanistan or Iraq. Israel has surrendered it to the enemy at least twice and it’s continued to be a
a throbbing sore spot.
On the heels of success in Iran, this is an opportunity to retake Gaza,
crush Hamas, and get Jordan, Egypt, or whoever to take back their
“Palestinian refugees.” God bless Israel and President Trump.
“Gaza was given to Israel by God Himself.”
True.
However, since Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon swept in, it has been the times of the Gentiles as far as Israel is concerned and will continue that way through “the time of Jacob’s trouble.” (5th course of chastisement, Leviticus 26)
Luke 21:24 “…Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
And then, Israel’s Deliverer returns:
Luke 21:27-28 “And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.”
It was God Himself who removed Israel from the land.
Yes.
Leviticus chapter 26 lays out the five courses of chastisements. That chapter is very important to understand in God’s program with Israel.
The fifth course began with the Assyrian/Babylonian captivity. Israel was still under the fifth course when the Lord Jesus Christ began His ministry.
But that prophetic program was unexpectedly interrupted by the Lord. However, it will resume when this dispensation of grace concludes.
Romans 11:25-27 “I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”
“And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:”
“For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.”
Daniel, I’m a Canadian who supports Israel one thousand percent, but their obsession with the hostages is its Achilles heel … The only reason these pipsqueak Hamas barbarians were able to drag this thing out — a war which should have lasted no more than 15 minutes — for two long, agonizing years is because they held hostages — and thus held Israel hostage to the hostages …
Which bought Hamas the time it needed to claw its way back into the good graces of world opinion … With Oct. 7 fading in the world’s memory, the media could then portray Israel’s war effort as a “genocide”, just as Hamas calculated they would … Truth be told, the IDF should have turned Gaza into a parking lot on October 8th …
( … if the ayatollahs in Iran were smart, they should have held a few Israelis hostage at their nuclear sites — hell, that would have bought them all the time they needed!)
Israel tip-toeing around Gaza, with the hostages’ safety of paramount concern — even above winning the war, apparently — is how we got to this mess … What other nation on earth — other than Israel — would allow itself to be drawn into a two year long stalemate because of citizens held hostage by the other side? It’s insane!
Israel wasted a glorious opportunity to destroy this enemy once and for all and, instead, as you clearly make the case, that’s why two years on we’re looking at yet another US-brokered / UN-administered nation-building “deal”, Afghanistan v3.0 …
It never should have come to this …
you’re right
“The only reason these pipsqueak Hamas barbarians were able to drag this thing out — a war which should have lasted no more than 15 minutes — for two long, agonizing years is because they held hostages — and thus held Israel hostage to the hostages …”
True and well stated.
The moment the focus moved to the hostages, the terrorists controlled the terms of the war.
I completely agree with Kevin Nienhuis . The Israeli obsession with freeing the hostages is reason why Israel has yet again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
The war should have been prosecuted as if all the hostages were dead. To risk the survival of the nation for the lives of the few is immoral. Yes, there should be attempts to rescue the hostages, but not at the risk of delaying the progress of the war.
Additionally, by prolonging the war, Israel also lost the propaganda war and may never regain the high ground in the propaganda war again.
But…….Israel and America may get some corpses back by Tuesday! I guess Monday is too early in the work week for Paleosominains who’ve NEVER had real jobs in their worthless lives.
Any day now.
Just kill them all already.
Prioritizing hostages over victory is a losing policy. It would mean a war is lost with the capture of the first prisoner.
Sadly yes. Sure seeing over hostage return means more hostage will be taken – and from any street in EU or even USA – very sad to say
Victory was never achievable. Netanyahu gave himself the impossible goal of eliminating Hamas, which was impossible (it grew throughout his war), so all he could do is murder random civilians.
too bad he missed your turtle farm
No, it did not grow! Many, many Hamas terrorists were killed.
All you can do is suck random dicks. Left=wing America hater.
Random Civillians? All Hamass jihadi terrorists are civilians and 80% of Psuedostinians put them in power.
All Paleosimians are scum and deserve to die. So do you.;
Actually. Hamass shrunk by legions of turds during Netanyahu’s extermination program. Buy a map. Half of Gaza has been razed and Hamass is begging for mercy.
What “victory?”
The “victory” would be to crush Hamas and take the hostages in the first place.
That didn’t happen, so now is the time to salvage the hostages and crush
Hamas.
Those who destroyed Iran’s bomb sites and blew up terrorists with pagers
can organize the defeat of Hamas and retake Gaza.
This is such a great article! Mr. Greenfield understands that the Islamic world is in eternal and perpetual enmity with Western Civilization. We should find other sources for our energy needs, and reject the devilish governments of both Sunnis and Shiites. Thanks to Mr. Greenfield!
Thank you. The real question is who do so few of our leaders understand basic history.
Daniel: You meant “why,” not “who.” That ‘s OK. It drives me crazy to see how so few who matter understand what you have written about. I bet Witkoff, Kushner, Trump, et al. know nothing about Hudaibiyya, hudnas, etc.
I bet they know enough but believe their financial interests will be protected if the farm burns down. They hauled ass to the Muslim Arab countries in May. Set up more of their financial interests. And a few months later, voila, the Trump Peace/Ceasefire deal, bringing in the historical worst of the worst to implement this plan.
Quick change to self congratulate? Also read “Palestinians” are already in training to be special forces – (maybe in by US military in Germany )
Your commentary Mr. Greenfield is 200% spot on.
Sadly most “leaders” are still living back in 2001 holding the belief that Islam is a “religion of peace” that has been “hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists”.
When that moron Bush went to an Islamic center days after 9-11 and declared “Islam is peace”, I knew then the western world had already lost.
Because, as always, they think failure was solely about having the wrong people in charge.
Just as they think “ this time communism will be done correctly”
The reason why “leaders” refuse to understand basic history is answered by the commenter: “We should find other sources for our energy needs, and reject the devilish governments of [islam].”
History is irrelevant to Western leaders because history does not generate money. Western policies regarding islamics in any context are created solely by the need/greed for islamic oil money. It’s that simple. As long as islamics have oil wealth to buy off the West (investments, high finance, IMF, Blackrock the usual Mammon stuff) the West will kiss islam’s ass and sacrifice its own people/allies for cash.
I can’t believe with all our technology that we haven’t yet developed a cheap unlimited (and not “Greta green”) source of energy that would forever eliminate the world’s need for islamic oil. Islamic corruption bribes must be preventing alternate energy source completion. All countries would want the new energy source and reject messy costly and compromising islamic oil. In a day, the wealth of all islamics would be wiped out and islam reduced back to the stone age.
This technological breakthrough would change history and is the only possible solution to ending the islamic reign of terror. Everything else is playacting and money laundering. Daniel Greenfield, as always, is Cassandra — speaking the truth with prophetic clarity while the “leaders”, lackeys, sheeple and financiers, as always, shrug and bloviate: no, no he’s wrong — we just need a another new blah blah blah…
Well, muster dead, I do believe you are spot on. The power source that continues to enable the mozzie world IS their oil. And WE not only allow this, we promote it. WHY was that nat gas pipeline in Europe destroyed? WHO was behind that? It pushed russia out o a strong energy supplying role in Germany and Europe. The sandrats won on that one.
We have incredibly yooooge oil resources up in Alaska, but a push by the Bummer, I think it was, shot all that down. OPEN IT IP AGAIN. This year. Those known resources make everything we’ve had till now seem like chump change.
Next is nuclear. Our gummit poohbahs have decided” that nuclear is not tolerable, so we don’t have it. Current technology have small even portable micro-nuke powerplants able to be deployed but our stupid thick headed “agents in charge” are slow-walking it. Should we persue that angle as a source o energy here at home, we’d not need sandbox oil supplied by the mozzies. No cash, no war toys. No war toys no war, Back to herding goats and camels. WE enable them to persist in their game because WE hand them the tickets they need to play.
I Should WE make the move to nuke power to supply our cities and most industry, and develop oil resources to supply our transportation needs, we could kiss the mawzie backsides on their way out. then wipe our own mugs clean and settle down to prosper.
Well, you mentioned idiotic and insane in your article, and that pretty much sums up most of our world leaders. Trying to change Muslims is like peeing into the wind.
Generally politicians don’t learn much from history. That’s probably biological, due to the state of their brains. Full of information they’ve been exposed to in their environment, not a deep study of history.
Example is USA Civil War and WW1 Machine guns. Only 1 person, Jan. Bloch, foresaw the trench warfare of WW1 due to the machine gun. Similarly Jabotinsky was the only one who foresaw the death camps of WW2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Gotlib_Bloch
Yes, the Gatling gun was good but it was a joke compared to hand held machine guns.
That trench warfare can suck my ass, though. Fuck that shit. At least in WWII, they had real Nazis to shoot at. No fake Kaisers.
That reminded me, the French had developed their own machine guns before the Franco-Prussian War of 1870 (which the French lost disastrously), but the French kept the invention of their machine gun so secret that they didn’t even train their troops how to use it, etc. So it didn’t do much good for them.
Wouldn’t it be better to just spread the “wealth” and let those Nation “enrichers” be spread amongst the MANY muslim Nations? Then Israel could expand TO THE SEA! Put all that land to GOOD use rather than as a wasteland full of misery and future murders!
Very disappointed in Trump for negotiating with terrorists and convincing Netanyahu to abondon his commitment to destroying Ham-ass.
Since when do we negotiate with terrorists?
We just gave Ham-ass the incentive to kidnap more Israelis. Hostage swap for terrorist prisoners. Ham-ass wins.
Trump and those around him are beholden to Qatar. Trumps hoi polloi base has no idea of this and are outraged anytime I mention it on right/conservative FB pages. Yeah, I’ve heard, “Kamala would’ve been worse as POTUS”, but that does t make Trump good.
Trump’s not beholden to Qatar. Donno where you get these lame ideas.
I’m not American and I like Trump but the commenter is correct in this case about Qatar’s potential influence on American policy, especially regarding Israel and Ham Ass.
from: whitehouse.gov/factsheets
“Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Secures Historic $1.2 Trillion Economic Commitment in Qatar
The White House
May 14, 2025
…Trump signed an agreement with Qatar to generate an economic exchange worth at least $1.2 trillion. President Trump also announced economic deals totaling more than $243.5 billion between the United States and Qatar…”
Just because Trump made a finance deal with Qatar doesn’t me he is quote “beholden” or obligated to Qatar on the Israel / Ham-ass deal. Stop making up lies …..
No, you don’t know. You don’t know that both Pam Bondi and Kash Patel were Qatars chief lobbyists for YEARS and both publicly grilled on this FACT during their confirmation hearings. You don’t know that Jared is busy raking in BILLIONS from Qatar and that Steve Witkoff was bailed out of his failing hotel with $600m from Qatar or that his son is now raking in BILLIONS more from Qatar.
YOU DO A GOOGLE SEARCH. That or you might read any of the many articles Daniel has done on the subject. Trump is under Qatars thumb.
No he’s not. Maybe Biden was / is, nbut not Trump
And the Jihad won’t stop with Israel.
Hamas is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood and their ultimate target is America.
Yes, my first thought was “I’ll believe it when I see it.’ It will be interesting to hear Mosab Hassan Yousef’s take on this, with his awful experience of Hamas.
Chris Cuomo just had him on. As you can imagine, the only positive thing he noted was the (presumed) hostage release. Otherwise, he like other serious thinkers, is sounding the alarm about this deal and the reality of Hamas and the Islamic world.
We could do so much better than this, but it seems when it comes to those in leadership positions, even the ones who seem to be the best in the ring, are sorely lacking. As a result, more people will needlessly suffer and die.
Madness to 100th degree.
Just read an article regarding an Imam in California stating that Europe, Russia and the United States will soon have Islam in every home. They aren’t kidding about destroying the US and their tentacles are infiltrating everywhere while nations refuse to call out this “religious” totalitarianism.
Check out Avi Abelow on the Muslim Brotherhoods’ new easy access to Israel. I’m sure they are licking their chops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_9kQ2xDs4
Moslem Brotherhood in USA must be declared a terror organization and its leaders arrested.
Good luck with that. There are over 350 million of us and we have guns. Any islamopithecine who makes it past my building’s security, which is none, I’ll blow its head off.
Those animals are very fierce when they outnumber their foes ten to one but they’re pussies one on one. I;m so sick of them. They’re like trannies. Always probing your weak points and creeping around men’s rooms. Weaklings.
Let them come. They’re already here and no matter how many unarmed people they kill, we’ll kill ALL of them. They’re weaklings.
JB and DG. Tow peas in a pod. You deserve each other.
It will never get to “nation building” because Hamas will never release all the living hostages. They will claim they dont control all the hostages because some are held by competing terror cells which will give Hamas the cover to push for Israel to fulfill their withdrawal while leaving Hamas armed, regrouped, and ready for the the next 10/7 while still holding several hostages. I love Trump, I’m MAGA before it was socially acceptable…but this one he won’t win. The only option is to expel all Gazans, clear out Gaza and allow only vetted persons back in.
I’m willing to see how this turns out, but I agree with you that Trump’s original proposal to remove the Gazans so they share no border with Israel was the most workable solution to a problem with no real solution. Part of the reason they couldn’t be moved is that no one in their right mind wants to share a border with Gazans.
And how are these persons vetted? Not possible.
Can vet them via computer.
Need large database with appropriate questions selected randomly, until a sufficient correlation is established, including correlation with cheating.
This is ceasefire. Hamas and its proxies will ever surrender.
One of the problems is that Western nations – USA, Britain, Australia – are sending massive amounts of money to those Islamic nations all the while those fabulously wealthy nations – Arabia, Oman etc., do nothing to help their Arabic neighbors. This impoverishes the West and enriches the Muslim world . This cannot end good
When Merkel’s Germany took in a million muslims from Syria in 2015, I wondered why Saudi Arabia didn’t offer to house all of them in Mecca’s “instant city for a million” that Saudi has ready each year for the million muslims coming to the annual Mecca ritual thing — all the muslim “refugees” who lived in nearby Syria could easily have been housed and fed in the fully stocked air conditioned tents in Mecca but instead all chose to traipse thousands of miles to Germany to plunder its welfare and white women. Not one politician or media outlet has ever mentioned this Mecca angle probably because Saudi oil wealth paid them all — and Merkel — very well for their services to islam. Similarly now why doesn’t Saudi house all the “Gazans” in their Mecca tent city? Because it doesnt fit into their grand islamic scheme for world caliphate conquest via psy ops, chaos and corruption of the West.
Very passionate article explaining all pitfalls in Gaza. It can be called very “controversial” because it states things so self obvious that it is strange that some others don’t understand that.
As for Afghanistan, I had only one explanation of continuous American presence there for 20 years after the defeat of Al-Qaeda: Americans had been trying to teach Afghan men to respect Afghan women. It failed.
I remember Beirut. Hopefully, American soldiers will be removed from Gaza before any disasters. But expect all antisemites claim that American soldiers there had been defending Jews.
Breaking it down by deal (as of Oct. 9, 2025):
The $1.2T Economic Pact (May 2025): Qatar’s sovereign wealth fund (QIA, ~$500B assets) pledged massive inflows into U.S. energy, infrastructure, and defense—framed as “America First” job creation. But for Qatar? It’s a hedge against oil volatility, secures U.S. LNG buyers (they’re the world’s top exporter), and cements alliances post-2017 Gulf blockade. White House docs tout the exchange, but Gulf experts say it buys Qatar “irreplaceable” market access and tech transfers, outweighing Trump’s cut (e.g., his org’s slice via licensing).
Boeing 747 “Gift” (~$400M): Doha donated the jumbo jet for Air Force One refit, saving U.S. taxpayers $3-4B on a new build. Critics cry emoluments (CREW sued in June, dismissed Aug.), but Qatar reaps soft power: Hosting the largest U.S. airbase (Al Udeid, 8,000+ troops) already costs them $1B/year in upkeep; this “gesture” buys goodwill, expedited arms deals (Senate greenlit $20B in F-35s/Qatar jets June), and leverage in talks like Gaza. Trump’s family? Zero direct payout—it’s government property.
Military Defense Pledge (Sept. 29 EO): Trump’s order treats attacks on Qatar as “direct threats to U.S. security,” a de facto NATO Article 5 for a non-NATO ally—unprecedented, per CSIS. Benefits Trump? Bragging rights on “peace through strength.” For Qatar? Game-changer: Deters Iran (post-strike tensions), safeguards their $300B/year gas empire, and elevates Doha as Washington’s Gulf pivot over rivals like Saudi. Axios called it a “jealousy-sparking” shift; CNN dubbed it “extraordinary,” noting it outstrips even Israel/Ukraine guarantees.
In the Gaza context, Qatar’s mediation role (hosting Hamas brass) gets amplified— they’re the “big winner,” per Times of Israel, parlaying these perks into outsized clout without firing a shot. If anything’s “illegal,” it’s subjective (no charges filed), but the asymmetry screams Qatar’s shopping for longevity, not Trump’s golf tabs.
It’s worse than what Mr. Greenfield writes. This isn’t nation building
at all. This is ‘nation(s)’ building against Israel. An insidious strategy, not a plan.
The intent of this plan is to prevent Israel from building her nation, to keep Israel weak. And worse.
It’s been obvious from day 1.
It’s obscene to call this ‘arrangement’ peace.
Right. In addition to Mr. Greenfield’s very good points about the futility of nation building again, and how it will drain America, there is this. All these Arab countries who will “rebuild” Israel hate Jews and Israel. They will control what should have been Israel’s to control. Now Israel will have on its doorstep a neighbor who is more sophisticated and richer than miserable Hamas, but also unfriendly.
How will Israel ever reclaim the land that is suppored to belong to it, Gaza? Giving it away makes the task so much harder. Yet it is ordained in the Bible – if anyone is still interested – that Canaan, including Gaza, belongs to the Jews.
According to the Bible, terrible things happened to Israel when it did not follow the Lord.
Boy, do you have that misinterpreted. The land doesn’t belong to the “Jews” for all eternity. In ancient times there were conditions that the Jews had to follow. The Jews just couldn’t worship pagans and turn their back on God and the land will always be there for them.
Who actually has the right to claim that land according to Scripture? And even more fundamentally, is the land promise still relevant under the New Covenant? Can you trace your lineage to Jacob 5K years ago? Can you trace your lineage to the Kingdom of Judah?
The return to Palestine in the early 20th century and the formal establishment of the modern state of Israel in 1948 were largely the result of secular and political efforts, not divine command or prophetic fulfillment.
Is the land even an issue anymore?The New Testament answers this emphatically: No. The promises of God, including inheritance, are fulfilled in Christ, not through physical geography or genealogy.
The land promise was fulfilled (Joshua 21:43–45). The covenant was expanded and completed in Christ. And God’s people today are those who belong to Jesus, not those who lay claim to physical borders or tribal ancestry.
God gave that land to the Jews forever. Only when the Jews rebelled against God did God remove the Jews for a time as their punishment, but the land still belonged to them even if they were not living on it – your statements are asinine – you’re rewriting the Bible.
You don’t know scripture and I assume you are not a Christian. My comments are taken directly from scripture. If you can’t comprehend what I wrote I don’t know what to tell you.
your statements are asinine – you’re rewriting the Bible.
And the icing on the cake is that the international team includes the expertise of Tony f’in Bliar!!! You couldn’t make this up!
Yes, Mt islamophile. Blair bows towards Mecca. What a bitch.
Bravo DJT nobel nobel yes yes yes
The only way Gaza becomes a civilized nation is with the absolute abolition of Islam anywhere and everywhere n its borders. Ditto Socialism/Leftism, not just Gaza but in every other nation on the planet.
I think this is an historic peace agreement. The US will be sending 200 troops (already stationed at CENTCOM) inside Israel to support and monitor the ceasefire deal., along with private sector personnel and an international team. Top Hamas leaders stated the hostages will be released Saturday.
This is a remarkable achievement by Trump. There should be no way to spin this negatively. This should send liberals into a meltdown as Trump was able to accomplish what Biden never could. Yes, other matters need to be hashed out, but this is a tremendous development for those who wish to end the war.
Yes it is a big accomplishment to get the hostages out. But what comes next is not so clear, and unlikely to benefit Israel.
Agreed, but hostages have been the problem from day one. It may be honorable to put such a high price tag on one Israeli life (and I love Israel and the Jews and Trump) but exchanging 1,000 killers for one Israeli soldier is folly beyond understanding (especially since those 1,000 killers will kill hundreds more over time).
Maritime Law should have been applied from the first day. Maritime Law states that in an emergency, the captain gets to choose who lives and who dies. 300 people on the boat, only enough life rafts for 200. Captain says women and children first onto the life boats. Next are any volunteers who are willing to give their life for someone else. Then the captain chooses from those left who goes and who stays. Bibi ( the captain) should have decided on the spot to forsake the hostages for the good of all. Hundreds of young IDF soldiers would have not been killed plus how many others from released killers, and the war would have been over in a couple of months.
And, sad to say, according to Scripture, Israel still has a huge price to pay.
Maranatha, come quickly Lord Jesus. (This year).
Rev. Roy……..<
Do you know the details of this deal? Because most don’t since it hasn’t been reported. .Except one little detail (just minor, no big deal) is that Trump agreed to have a Qatari Air Force base built in Idaho (where, as an aisde, there are cities w/complex underground tunnel networks). The celebration of this deal is premature and naive. There is no peace with Islam. And we’ve got 1500 years worth of receipts to prove it.
Failure before it starts, which it never will. Dream on, tardmo.
As I said several days ago. This cease fire will last while Hamas re-arms unless the IDF gets clearance to go back in and finish the job. Then the real cease fire begins.
Hopefully the Israelis will be more on the alert. No more silly naive music festivals on Gaza’s doorstep.
Hamas will attack again in about two years. I hope Israeli teens and young adults take this more seriously. I hope the Israeli govt allows easier access to gun ownership. And for God’s sake, no more Tikkun Olam stupidity. That’s a recipe for defeat.
A theme emerges with pro-jihad Trump … https://www.memri.org/reports/pushing-india-ceasefire-trump-emboldens-islamists-worldwide
Never, To answer your final question.
Middle East peace is the sound of one hand clapping.
It is impossible to change the spots of a people who hate and want to kill you.
Trump just decided to rescue the injured snake in his famous fable.
Egypt and Jordan put their colonists in those camps, the answer must be reparations of their invaders to their homelands
I was hoping that the original time line of this deal, last Sunday, would hold firm. Alas, giving Hamas, Gazans, Muslims any leeway simply reduces a peace agreement to an open ended negotiation. Saying this, I am amazed to see that Hamas is prepared to return hostages on Saturday. A timeline so short and definite, that we will know if there truly is a peace deal within hours. Trump’s deal addressed a large portion of the problem that is Islamic militancy in Gaza. I think he deserves a lot of credit for herding together so much disorder into a good agreement on paper. A lot of credit belongs to the competence of the IDF, and to the strategy of decapitation of vile leadership of utterly dishonorable people. The raid on Iran’s nuclear program where Trump and Netanyehu played a great game of misdirection also helped.
However, I am sick to death, sick, of Islam. It is a disease creeping slowly across the planet. It is a supremacist ideology that has figured the weakness of its enemies and, as a result, respects no boundaries at all to its entitlement. It is the stone age in person or at least a threat of return to the stone age. A century and a quarter ago Churchill said of Islam that there is no greater retrograde force in the world. One would think that a century and a quarter of advance warning should have been plenty.
I agree with your sentiments, but don’t expect any change soon. Why? Because Islam has oil. That’s the bottom line here. Europe (except for Russia) doesn’t, and North America’s oil is tied up in environmental regulations. And that’s why Islam has us by the short hairs. Hamas exists because it has the money to. Not realy that hard to understand.
But you know that having the oil wealth becomes a liability. The populations of those Islamic nations have exploded over the past 50 years. Now the oil wealth has to be stretched further and further. The Islamic world is like a petri dish with oil wealth as the agar feeding rapid growth of bacteria without much effort on anyone’s part to figure out how to make thriving economies. Look at Iran as a principle example.
Eventually the bacteria consume all the agar. Then what?
For someone so sick of Islam, you sure admire someone who just facilitated Islam. Good luck with that. QED.
Peace deal? Gazans celebrate peace deal with calls to slaughter Jews ” Khaybar, Khaybar, ya Yehud”. Peace Deal? Israel will release 1,700 terrorist including 250 serving life sentences. for 20 hostages and 28 bodies. 1,700 terrorist operatives for 48 a great trade for the terrorists. Yes you want the hostages returned home but releasing the terrorist will result in more deaths and hostages in the future. Yahya Sinwar, the mastermind behind the October 7 attack, spent 22 years in an Israeli prison and was released in 2011 with 1,026 other terrorists.
The US has no business playing world police in the Middle East especially when they have a false view of the players involved, i.e. Muslims. Trying to put western values on a tribal backwards community like Islam is no a ‘win’.
If this deal was good in any way, the world leaders and elites would condemn it.
Hey all. The US is going to build a Qatari Air Force base in Idaho. Yup. You read that right. It’s all part of that glorious “peace” deal. How stupid, insane, and naive are we? And how persistent and successful is the Islamic march toward the Caliphate?
I think this deal is about the best the Israelis could hope for. I share many of Daniel Greenfield’s reservations but I can’t see any better outcomes.
The spectacle of the destruction of Gaza and the real suffering of the Gazans was turning most of the world against Israel and was fueling a resurgence of antisemitism. I don’t think this is fair but the world is not usually a fair place, particularly when it comes to Jews.
The war has exerted a terrible price on Israel as well as Gaza. The loss of life of IDF soldiers and anguish over the fate of the remaining hostages has led the majority of Israelis to want an end to the fighting and the return of their soldiers.
Iran armed and encouraged its proxies to attack the Jewish state and Israel was forced to respond at great cost to itself. It really didn’t have a choice and it accomplished quite a bit, including the demolishing of Hezbollah and the destruction for now of the Iran nuclear program. They have not made relations with their neighbors worse. The truth is that the Arab governments have the same enemies as Israel and the IDF did them a tremendous favor by greatly damaging the threats to their regimes.
Was “The Art of the Deal” the right political strategy but the wrong military strategy for ending this war? The NIV edition of the Bible recounts a similar war where political compromise won out over military victory.
1 Samuel 15: 1-35
https://www.blueletterbible.org/niv/1sa/15/1/s_251001
I’ll say something shocking: genocide in Gaza: would that it were so—not for reasons of race or class, a la nazism or communism—but because this is a population of intrinsically-inimical, self-declaredly hostile people committed to a hate-and-murder ideology. You can’t negotiate with someone who wants to cut off your head. The only thing you can do with this situation is indulge the jihadis in their martyrdom ambition and send them to their awaiting virgins. It’s sad and ironic that history’s premier example of having undergone genocide would have to perpetrate it—but that’s the situation. What’s needed is a good steady rain of neutron bombs across Gaza. Of course the world won’t permit it; and so we have the absurd theater of nation-building restarting. Perhaps a final warning, in the form of a plebiscite: 1. Accept Israel, and stop killing us; and, 2. If you kill us again we’re going to exterminate all of you. But in Gaza they’re already muttering about the glories of Khaybar. It’s sad, but the enemy here is fanatical, non-negotiable hate and there’s nothing to do with it but expunge its existence. Israel should be permitted to run a wide course of neutron bombs over Gaza. Instead, we’ll have the stupid kabuki theater of nation building—until the killer Muslims feel they’re now strong enough once again to commence the jihad anew. I say get it over with. It’s unpleasant and sad but you can’t negotiate with someone who wants to cut off your head.
What is the alternative to this attempt at peace? “Destroying Hamas”? Well, to the world at large and from my armchair that largely looks like murdering or displacing literally every Gazan. Netanyahu has said as much. He wants to push EVERYONE out of Gaza. To go where? Unclear. But as far as I can ZERO distinction is being made at a high policy level between Hamas and ordinary people trapped in hell, many of whom now hate Hamas bitterly.
And its not unreasonable to suppose that one reason so many Arab nations are backing this treaty is that they dont want these refugees either.
Hamas depends on money from outside Gaza. If Trump can interrupt that flow–and he is Turkey right now and that is certainly on the table–then the future will not be a repeat of the past.
His vision of making Gaza wealthy, and of thereby making peace in the interest of all involved, is a good one.
And if the deal fails due to Hamas, Netanyahu will not have done anything but build support for whatever he has planned.
I am no peacenik, but I’ve seen the effects of war on those who have to fight it. It is not pretty, even in victory.
I am no fan of John Lennon either, but I still say we should give peace a chance.
And in any event all of this is out of our hands. Trump doesnt care what you or I think. He has his own plans. Thats what makes him effective.
You know you are living in strange times, when you find yourself agreeing with something from FrontPage Magazine. Man, this is spot on, very much so.