Flight 253: The Lessons Not Learned - by Jamie Glazov

A U.S. military veteran reveals how America remains vulnerable and naïve.



Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Dave Gaubatz, the first U.S. civilian (1811) Federal Agent deployed to Iraq in 2003. He is the owner of DG Counter-terrorism Publishing. He is currently conducting a 50 State Counter-terrorism Research Tour (CTRT). He is the co-author (with Paul Sperry) of the new book, Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that’s Conspiring to Islamize America. He can be contacted at [email protected]. Visit his new site MuslimMafiaInternational.com.


FP: Dave Gaubatz, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Let’s talk about the recent botched terror attempt on Flight 253 and whether it has been a wake up call for Americans and the Obama administration.

Gaubatz: I wish I could tell you that it has been a wake-up call but unfortunately that is not the case.

Let me begin by saying this: I believe if you ask the same left-wing politicians (who wittingly and unwittingly are supporters of Islamic-based terror groups) if America should again start using the correct terminology of “The War on Terrorism,” there would be no change in their attitude or way of thinking in regards to Islamic terror groups. Most politicians and news organizations still have more allegiance to Saudi Arabia than they do America and our children.

FP: Can you explain further what you mean by this?

Gaubatz: Well, Jamie, our book, Muslim Mafia, reveals the strong ties the Saudi government has in influencing the shape of America in regards to instilling more violent aspects of Islamic Sharia law into our system.  Our security actually comes down to money. The more money we allow Saudi Arabia to pump into our country, the more control and influence they have over every aspect of our lives.  Why we allow a country that advocates the destruction of our country to dictate what news journalist’ provide to the public is a good question for Americans to ask.

In 2007, during my first-hand research at Islamic centers across America, I was continually coming across a booklet being distributed by CAIR (Muslim Brotherhood). The booklet cover seemed innocent enough, but when I began reviewing the editors and authors of this book, it was apparent they were Wahhabi and had Saudi-backing. Some were convicted terrorist serving life prison sentences in America.

I personally coordinated with the Saudi Embassy in Washington DC to determine if they (the Saudi Govt.) were responsible for distributing materials to innocent children written by convicted terrorists trying to destroy America.  I asked the Saudi Embassy to send me their best example of Islam. A few weeks later, the Saudi Embassy sent me a book by Ali Al Timimi. Timimi and others had been plotting to commit terrorism against innocent men, women, and children in America.  The Saudi Government said Timimi was their best example of Islam.  Readers should note they did not send me the Qur;an; they sent convicted terrorist material.

FP: You have the evidence?

Gaubatz: Yes. I have my recorded conversation with the Saudi Embassy and the original manual and package that the Embassy sent the material in.

Keep in mind Jamie that the Saudi government and CAIR also put this manual in our schools and public libraries.

FP: This is crazy. What can be done about this?

Gaubatz: While in high school and college I was very interested in history.  Numerous times I asked myself how did the world allow leaders such as Adolf Hitler and his supporters to exterminate over six million Jews (men, women, and children)?

Now in January 2010, I am asking myself: How can the world allow innocent people and countries to be so terrorized by Islamic based terrorist groups when we know their intentions are to destroy the world and kill millions of people in order to meet their objectives of an Islamic Ummah (Nation) under Sharia law?

Well, part of the answer is that today our country has a man as our President who is more interested in apologizing for America to foreign dictators than to show allegiance to his country and fight for its security. The media, meanwhile, refuses to expose OBama’s negligence; instead giving groups like CAIR airtime to propagandize their violent ideologies. They give CAIR more airtime than they do a U.S. military veteran like me.

CAIR presents no evidence, only rhetoric that time after time is proven to be full of lies.

And why? Because many journalists are fearful of the Saudi influence. Many politicians gain financially from their dealings with the Saudis. Many media businessmen have more allegiance to the Saudis than they do our own country.

FP: In your book, you mention the U.S. military has been infiltrated by Islamic terror supporters. Can you be more specific?

Gaubatz: Over the years, specifically since returning from Iraq in 2003, it still amazes me that people find it difficult to believe terrorists would infiltrate the world’s best equipped and well-trained military. It amazes me even more how our nation’s leaders do not even address this national security matter.

People need to ask themselves: Why would Islamic terrorists not join the U.S. armed forces?  Where else can they receive better military training and collect intelligence on their enemy? This is fundamental 101 in the intelligence field.  My team and I did not rely on 2nd or 3rd hand intelligence in regards to determining if the Muslim Brotherhood was active in America. We went inside. The best source of intelligence is always ‘inside’. This is why CAIR pushes for more Muslims in political positions. They can control America from inside. The documents in Muslim Mafia support this and thousands other documents we obtained provide more details.

FP: Let me ask you about your knowledge concerning “Friendly Fire” incidents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

During your research at Islamic Centers you came across information in 2007 about these incidents that reveal that some of them may not have been so “friendly.”

Tell us what you have learned.

Gaubatz: In regards to ‘Friendly Fire’ incidents in Iraq and Afghanistan, if I were the son, daughter, mother, father of some of the soldiers who were killed in these countries by alleged friendly fire, I would be demanding full investigations.

On Dec. 14, 2007, I went to an Islamic Center in Knoxville, TN. (yes recorded and evidence obtained). I had an extensive conversation with a long-time member of this mosque. He was also a former Nation of Islam member. This man described to me in detail how some U.S. Muslim soldiers are killing their own troops because, per his words, U.S. Muslims do not want to kill their brothers (the Islamic terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan).

FP: Did you provide this information to law enforcement?

Gaubatz: I provided the intelligence to the organization that paid for the research and strongly encouraged this intelligence to be provided to law enforcement immediately.  During the Mapping Sharia research project we uncovered numerous pieces of intelligence similar to this.

FP: What’s next?

Gaubatz: First-hand intelligence is always the best evidence. I have developed a web site to provide concerned people copies of Muslim Brotherhood material my team and I have collected during the last few years from Islamic Centers in America.  I will have thousands of audio lectures, Islamic terrorist manuals, books, videos, Islamic School manuals (advocating violence), and other related materials for people to use as education, research, and evidence to demand their elected leaders and law enforcement to take legal action against Islamic leaders advocating treason and sedition against our country. The site is Muslim Mafia International. All funding received from this project will go directly into conducting more first-hand research.

FP: Dave Gaubatz, thank you for joining us.