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Even though the Jewish history in the land of Israel is one of the most popular stories of mankind and was incorporated into the religious beliefs of over half the human race, it’s become fashionable to deny the connection of the Jews to the land of Israel. And yet similarly dismissing the descendants of Muslim conquerors who now style themselves ‘Palestinians’, some of whom had arrived in Israel as recently as a century ago, as colonists and settlers is angrily denounced.
‘Palestinian’ identity is politically sacrosanct even though it has no historic or linguistic basis in any past deeper than the Islamic wars and invasions that long postdated the Jewish presence in Israel. It’s not only invented in history, but was so recently invented that many people living today remember when it was made up, and also manages ties itself in endless contradictions.
There’s no actual ‘Palestinian’ history. Just the ideological project of ‘Palestinianism’ and its revisionist history which reversed history, transforming the Arab Muslim conquerors who invaded and persecuted the Jews into the indigenous inhabitants who were driven out by the Jews. ‘Palestinianism’ is General Custer putting on an Indian costume and claiming that his ancestors were in America for thousands of years before the Sioux drove them out.
Palestinianism’s historical revisionism insists that the Jews who were in Israel for 3,400 years are European settlers while the Arab Muslims who decided to call themselves ‘Palestinians’ sixty years ago were the original indigenous inhabitants of the land. Their only basis for this otherwise completely ahistorical argument is picking a name with a ‘biblical’ sound to it.
But the name ‘Palestine’ came originally from the Philistines who were European settlers from the Aegean region. The name was imposed much later by the Roman conquerors seeking to remove any trace of the Jewish presence from Israel. Calling Israel ‘Palestine’ is something foreign settlers whose only link to the land came through their ties to foreign empires would do.
Rather than an assertion of indigeneity, the assumption of a false ‘Palestinian’ identity is an unintentional admission of foreignness. It’s what a clueless outsider trying to fit in would do.
The ‘Palestinian’ brand is not some ancient indigenous claim to the land, rather it’s the name of a group of European settlers who waged war against the Jews, over a millennia and a half before Islam, that was reapplied by another group of European conquerors over 500 years before Islam, and was then picked up by the Muslim invaders whose ancestors had served as mercenaries for Rome and had no historical memory predating the Roman Empire.
It’s hard to imagine a name more closely associated with foreign invaders than ‘Palestinians’.
Aware of this problem, Yasser Arafat, who was born in Egypt, took to claiming descent from the Canaanites, and specifically the Jebusites. That equally nonsensical claim of descent from an ancient people also dates back all the way to the 1960s. Rashid Khalidi, the Obama mentor who made that claim, was born in New York City to the former Foreign Minister of Jordan.
But if the ‘Palestinians’ are really Canaanites, why not call themselves that? It doesn’t have the same historical resonance among the Americans and Europeans who were the targets of the ‘Palestinian’ brand. And while the Koran mentions neither ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Canaan’, it does imply that Allah commanded the Jews to wage a Jihad and drive out the Canaanites. The more religiously devout Islamists deeply resent Arafat’s suggestion that they were ever Canaanites.
“The people of Palestine have no historical right to Palestine… our history is simple and it is not ancient. Our history dates back only 1,440 years. 1,440 years ago we had no rights of any kind. Absolutely none,” Imam Issam Amira argued in a talk in the occupying mosque on the Temple Mount that the ‘Palestinians’ can only assert rights based on Islam. “It must not be said that the Palestinians have Canaanite roots. We can go back to the words of Yasser Arafat who lost our cause… the only thing you are allowed to say is: ‘Oh Palestinians, you are Muslims.’”
When not presenting their case to Western audiences, the ‘Palestinians’ proudly trace their descent to what is today Saudi Arabia from the Qays and Yaman families. They all want to be connected to the old Mohammedan dynasties and not the pagan Philistines or the Canaanites.
The basis for the Muslim claim to Israel is the same as the claim to Iraq, Pakistan or any other Muslim country. Islam recognizes only the religious right of conquest, not any kind of indigenous ancestry, whether it’s in Israel, North Africa, India, Afghanistan or any other areas where the indigenous inhabitants were massacred, ethnically cleansed and enslaved by Islamic invaders.
Muslims preach to Westerners about the indigenous rights of ‘Palestinians’, but reject the indigenous rights of every group they conquered from Hindus and Buddhists in Asia to the Berbers in North Africa and the Copts in Egypt. Where have Muslims ever recognized the indigenous rights of any non-Muslim minority they conquered over their own people?
When it comes to Israel, Muslims demand adherence to a principle that they do not adhere to, and they demand it based on an invented history that they themselves never took seriously.
If there really is an ancient ‘Palestinian’ people somehow distinct from all their Arab Muslim relatives, what is it that makes them so? Where is their ancient history predating the 1960s?
Even a brief examination of recent history shows that it was a label of political convenience.
Were they ‘Palestinians’ when the British ran the Palestine Mandate? And yet when part of the Mandate was turned into the Kingdom of Jordan, those ‘Palestinians’ then became Jordanians.
In 1948, Jordan attacked Israel and annexed various areas including Ramallah, and the ‘Palestinians’ in the future capital of the Palestinian Authority became Jordanians. They had no interest in creating a ‘Palestinian’ state. Then only when Israel liberated Jerusalem and other parts of its territory, the Jordanians suddenly became ‘Palestinians’ and demanded a state.
None of this makes any sense if they, like the Jews, had been members of an ancient people with a consistent identity dating back thousands of years, but to the Arab Muslim settlers, Jordan and Palestine were just geographic names that they had inherited, not identities.
Hajj Amin Al-Husseini, better known as Hitler’s Mufti, and one of the pivotal figures of the genocidal ‘Palestinian’ cause who allied with the Nazis in the hopes of exterminating all the Jews, was part of the al-Husayni family which had moved to Israel in the 18th century and claimed descent from Mohammed’s grandson in Saudi Arabia. Their great rivals, the equally ‘Palestinian’ Nashashibis, were Kurds who showed up in the 15th century.
‘Palestinianism’ claims that the Arab Muslim settlers have a deep and ancient connection to the land. Surely this should be reflected in the geography and in the names of their cities?
The name of the Muslim settlers for Jerusalem is Al-Quds or Holy City because that was the only way the Arab Muslims of Arabia could describe a city they had heard about, but never visited. What the Jews call Judea and Samaria, the Arab Muslim settlers call ad-difa’a al-gharbiya or the West Bank. These names show no actual historic connection to the land.
The Arabic for Bethlehem is ‘Bayt Lehem’ or a translation of the Hebrew ‘Beit Lehem’. Is Nablus part of the great and ancient Palestinian heritage? But Nablus isn’t Arabic, it’s the Arabic mispronunciation of Neapolis, which means “New City” in Latin. Much like ‘Palestine’, it’s another borrowing from the Romans by foreign settlers with no ancient roots in Israel.
Ramallah, the capital of the Palestinian Authority, is an Arabic translation of the nearby ancient Jewish city of Beit El. It was barely inhabited under Muslim rule and dates back to the 16th century when a group of Christian Arabs crossed over from what is today Jordan fleeing Muslim persecution. Under Jordanian rule, it was overrun by Muslims and now has a Muslim majority.
When the capital of your people was founded by Christians from the other side of the river in the 16th century and its name was taken from an ancient Jewish city and it wasn’t actually your capital until the bygone days of the 1990’s, and it only became your capital because you drove out its original residents in the 1950’s, then your ancient civilization doesn’t actually exist.
The ‘Palestinians’ are not just an invented people. They’re a badly invented people with no history, no past and whose only talent is for stealing the identities of the ancient indigenous peoples that their invading ancestors from Arabia conquered, persecuted and enslaved.
When the indigenous Jewish people freed themselves, the conquerors switched to pretending to be the conquered, the oppressors played the oppressed and the invaders posed as the indigenous to justify their genocidal plans to conquer, oppress and invade Israel all over again.
The Palestinians native to Israel are those Jews that converted to Islam.at sometime in history.
Shows the importance of real history, needed to counteract the false history of the left.
And that includes history that may not have the liberal imprimatur, but earnestly seeks to understand the past. So much of what we have been taught about WW2 cannot be questioned, while all other great wars and conflicts in the more distant past can.
WW2 has shaped our modern lives and national mythos in profound ways, mostly bad. The veterans of that war who have lived to see modern times universally express sadness that their sacrifice was in vain.
Yes. The Psuedostinians can’t even pronounce the letter “P.” They call themselves “Balestinians.” Fucking retards. The younger generations actually believe they’re a real ethnicity and have lived there “from time immemorial.” I notice they don’t speak “Palestinian” or have any tribes or customs.
I’m not sure who the most retarded people on the planet are, Psuedostinians of Somalis. Neither are people you ever want to encounter, except for Somali chicks, who are strangely hot.
Nice in depth analysis. Unfortunately the attention span of our drugged youth and neurotic professors is rather short. If it is actually read, the content will rattle around a bit and float away.
Maybe the post will get to Hillsdale.
Whether there is such a thing as a “Palestinian” is a very common, but irrelevant talking point by the pro Israel crowd. It doesn’t matter what you call them whether it’s Ottomans, Arabs, Syrians, Muslims, a tribe “a people”, they still lived in that region for over a thousand years and have had a profound impact on the religious, historical, cultural and affectionate ties to that region of soil.
On the other hand the Jews of Europe have zero connection to Palestine. Zero. They are a European people who have been in Europe for thousands of years. They fled because of the way Christian Europe treated them.
I suggest people educate themselves by listening to and reading Ilan Pappe, Dave Smith, Norman Finklestein, Professor Sands, etc, for a more balanced and fair assessment
………for a more balanced and fair Jew Hating assessment.
Hey Sebby, the Reichstag called. Your armband is ready for pick up. Maybe you should go to Iran, raise an army, and go attack Israel with your friends. And then we will be rid of you and your Nazi ideology. I’m sure they will loan you an obsolete tank or two.
Sorry, but somebody like you who engaged in sexual relations with someone of the same sex, and has the audacity to call themselves a Christian has zero credibility! Yea, that’s you, pal.
Oooo, bitter table for one.
Gay jokes…..how tired is that? Very original. I guess you are falling for scumsrent’s girly man shtick. But then you are as stupid and predictable as he is.
I have a feeling that the original inhabitants of Israel, you know, the Jews, will be around much longer than you. And you will be forever miserable that you couldn’t complete Hitler’s final solution. Try the Iranian Imams. Here’s the phone number: 1-800-eatsh*t.
Many have tried…..all have failed. Say hi to fat boy Ernst Rohm and his brownshirts when you see them. Sucks to be you, Sebby.
The “balanced and fair assessment” you proffer is from an admitted liar (Pappe), a darling of neo-Nazis (Finkelstein), an ahistorical revisionist abusing genetics that he is ignorant of, “etc.” In other words, quislings. Traitors are a common feature in any nation at war, but these ones, spitting on the graves of their people and inciting more blood libels, are particularly monstrous.
Pappe lied about nothing in relation to the myths about Israel. You can insult and use ad hominem attacks against Finklestein and the rest, but you can’t refute their arguments. It just means YOU lost the debate. Let me guess Dave Smith is a liar and traitor too? Lol
And it’s not “their” people. You can’t refute anything so you resort to third grade insults. Pathetic .
Dave Smith???? Do you write comedy?
If you want to uphold whatever argument Finklestien has, that is your business. You will fail to convince anyone using your low rent intellect.
Refuting the arguments of self hating Jew Hater Finklestien would be a waste of time for anyone who doesn’t have sawdust for a brain.
Your juvenile 3rd grade “history” of Israel and Jews is always good for a laugh.
It’s irrelevant whether the people on whose behalf you’re advocating exist?
What you’re arguing is that Muslim conqerors have a right to the entire region whatever they call themselves.
The majority of Israel is actually made up of Middle Eastern Jews.
But sure, go ahead and recommend history from a standup comedian instead.
Danny, why don’t you debate the stand up comedian? That stand up comedian embarrassed Douglas Murray the so called expert, as well as many others
The majority of Jews in Palestine were from Europe not the ME
Middle Eastern Jews are a majority of Israeli Jews.
5 seconds of research would tell you that.
But enjoy getting your fake history from standup comics appearing on a former sitcom actor’s podcast instead
Come on, sir.
The overwhelming amount are Jews from Europe , I did research’.
But that’ has nothing to do with dismissing people who call themselves Palestinians and pretending they haven’t been in Palestine, correct?
“I did research’”
https://theconversation.com/israels-mosaic-of-jewish-ethnic-groups-is-key-to-understanding-the-country-217893
“The largest Jewish ethnic group in Israel, about 40% to 45% of the country’s total population, is called Mizrahi, which means “Eastern” in Hebrew. Mizrahi Jews’ ancestors hailed from Jewish communities in the Middle East, including Israel itself.”
“The second-largest ethnic Jewish group in Israel, about 32% of the population, is Ashkenazi. Ashkenazi Jews trace their ancestry to central Europe, most often via Eastern Europe.”
Jerusalem always remained above 50% indigenous peoples (Jews) since it’s founding. What is 3+ centuries not stubborn enough to prove Jews a majority indigenous people at least in the city? Even with all the programs and genocides targeting the Jews, a by product of the continual war zone and military thoroughfare of the ME since they were common military practices during the times, Jews always remained the majority in Jerusalem. It’s doubtful that the population was ever majority immigrated European Jew.
The European argument that they have nothing to do with the Israel is silly. The Jews were persecuted by Christians and mslimes many time forced to leave, convert, die or live under horrible oppression, not that they were angels either. What the liberals are really arguing is their usual two tier prejudices and in this case it translates to Indians in America are no longer indigenous, white Americans are.
My question to you Daniel is when you look at the population stats of Israel from around 1870 to 1940 there are a substantial number of non-Jews in the area. The Arabs used it as a nomadic, non-permanent area to live primarily. This is kind of like the American Indian, is it not? People can’t just say there were no others?
Palestinian has always had its roots as a way to insult and lie about Jews. It is a fiction as you said to deny recognition of a people’s history. But it isn’t the central question.
Who was there pre-statehood in Israel, how permanent were they, was it their home and what should nomadic people of the area be credited with? Is there someone who you have read who feel is definitive or pro or con authors who present things to get the full debate?
The Ottoman “Palestine” census of 1878 indicated the following democratic s: Muslim 85.5%, Christian 9.2% and Jewish 3.2%. Jewish immigration over the first decades of the 20th century, particularly during the 1930’s grew tremendously.
There were several waves of Jews from Europe that ended up in Palestine.
There were 5 waves of Jews from Europe into Palestine.
So, no a very small fraction of Jews were already in that region.
But, again, whatever you want to call Palestinians they were still people living in Palestine for millennia before Zionism and Europes Jews came. That’s not my opinion, but fact.
First wave 1882-1903
Second wave 1904-1915
Third wave 1919-1923. Fourth wave 1924-1928 and fifth wave 1929-1939
And so on.
Yea, I did “research” and didn’t regurgitate false talking points.
Murray won that debate easily.
Wrong!!!! The majority of Jews in Israel were and are from the Middle East. When the Crusaders entered jerusalem, there were Jews living there. I know it’s hard, but learn some history.
I suggest you find reputable sources.
Excerpt:
Science of Biogenetics article 2023 entitled,”Ashkenazi DNA – Tracing the Genetic Origins and Legacy of Ashkenazi Jews” reads:
DNA analysis has revealed important insights into the genetic history of Ashkenazi Jews. They are known to possess a distinct genetic signature, which points to their origins in the Middle East and subsequent admixture with European populations. Additionally, this is excerpted from Pub Med® No evidence from genome-wide data of a Khazar origin for the Ashkenazi Jews
Doron M Behar et al. Hum Biol. 2013 Dec.
Excerpt reads:
“No particular similarity of Ashkenazi Jews to populations from the Caucasus is evident, particularly populations that most closely represent the Khazar region. Thus, analysis of Ashkenazi Jews together with a large sample from the region of the Khazar Khaganate corroborates the earlier results that Ashkenazi Jews derive their ancestry primarily from populations of the Middle East and Europe, that they possess considerable shared ancestry with other Jewish populations, and that there is no indication of a significant genetic contribution either from within or from north of the Caucasus region.”
I guess your references have yet to update their information.
Ashkenazi Jews originate from Israel and the Middle East and your antisemitic attempt at discrediting part of the Jewish people and thousands of years of historical heritage in Israel has failed.
This information is easily available online so you have no excuses for failing to validate it yourself.
Anytime someone who claims Jewish ancestry takes a DNA test they shown zero Middle Eastern or Levant DNA in their profile. Zero! No they are not from the ME.
These are people who have lived in Europe for thousands of years. But to play along with your fantasy let’s pretend the Jews of Europe have ancestors that originated in the ME thousands of years ago.
My answer is so what? They’ve been in Europe for thousands of years. They aren’t themselves from the ME. How absurd. Can you imagine the world over if everyone went by the same claim of returning to their “homeland” as the Jews did? The Muslims would be entitled to take over Spain.
And BTW, Jewish law doesn’t use genetics or place or origin as a qualifier for who a Jew is. And considering the vast majority of European Jews are converts the entire convo is mute.
Those “Jews” took over a land and pushed the indigenous Palestinians out. Period. End of story.
Converts???? You know that Judaism is not big on conversion and the Catholic Church did not allow conversion to Judaism. Again, learn some history. Period. End of story.
Wrong. When Christianity was gaining popularity and was a direct threat to Judaism it became a proselytizing religion for a short period of time.
In addition, the DNA of Jews in Europe show zero Middle eastern or Levant DNA in their profile.
Sit down, shut your mouth and open your ears. That’s how you learn, fool.
Shouldn’t you be on Stormfront?
Lazy answer from you and your information is completely invalidated by stringent scientific genetic research, not Twenty-three & Me!!
So in other words you couldn’t refute what I stated..
DNA tests work for everyone but the Jews? Lol
Right and the American Indian pushed out the indigenous whites.
Hey a$$wipe. What did the Jews ever do to you? I would blame the Nazi Ideology for the permanent warping of that pea brain of yours.
“I did research’” Dammit. I did! I did! I did!
You suggest a balanced view, after nearly being a Nazy in yours! If the Arab Muslims had lived there after the Jews were driven away, they were well-provided for, too, by the League of Nations. They were given several mandates – for Iraq, for Syria, and Lebanon. Furthermore, all of Palestine east of the Jordan River “out to the desert,” which had originally been intended for inclusion in the Palestine Mandate, was closed to Jewish immigration by the British, and given to the Hashemite Emir Abdullah to rule over, as the Emirate of Transjordan. And as we know, the Arabs now have twenty-two independent states, far more than any other people, while the Jews have just one, a tiny piece of land so small that it can scarcely be discerned on a world map. And your friends want to “eliminate” them because their Holy Book, verbatim words of God, say so! Jews have no human rights!
Thank you for clearing an issue obscurred since 1967 by the KGB’ invention of ‘the Palestinian people’. What remains – what you confirm – is the Middle East muslims’ refusal to accept Jews into what they consider as their ‘dar al-islam’ – in other words, another facet of antisemitism, another wish to exterminate the Jewish people and nothing else.
As to the presence of the Jews in Israel for some three thousand years, it has been amply proven for the last 2 centuries’ ‘archealogical discoveries, the results of which are exhibited in several museums, you seem unaware of their existence. As the digging continues today, more relics from the presence of Jews and early Christians in the Holy Land a.k.a. Israel emerge – but nothing concerning any permanent muslim settlers – the only remains of the ephemeral muslim conquest are their 2 temples in Jerusalem, quasi abandoned in 1945 as revealed by photos of this time.
That would be reinvention. Rome used the tactic long before.
All easily debunked lies. Go suck some falafel out of a Psuedostinian’s ass.
What vile, deceitfull and pathetic CRAP.
What Trump is doing in the Middle East is astounding. He is truly a miracle worker if he pulls it off, and whatever the case it will certainly be better than the paradigm that exists today.
All true, except for a “The more religiously devout Islamist.” “Islamist” is already a euphemism for a devout Muslim.
nea polis is Greek, not Latin.
No one can even accurately define who is or is not Jewish. The people who call themselves Jews have no consistent definition. Nothing about Israel, Judaism or the Palestinians makes any sense – it’s all crap.
They just tell themselves and each other fake stories about fake “origins” in order to justify real power grabs and real land grabs. Everyone in the Middle East is LARPing.
Judaism is based on being able to define who is Jewish.
If “Judaism is based on being able to define who is Jewish”, then provide a definition that includes everyone who claims to be Jewish but excludes everyone who does not claim to be Jewish.
For instance:
Christian: Believes Jesus Christ is God who suffered and died for mankind’s salvation.
Muslim: Believes there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his last and greatest prophet.
Hindu: Believes in karma, reincarnation and the divinity of the Vedas.
Buddhist: Follows the 8-fold Path and the teaching of the Lord Buddha.
Now, do that for Judaism.
Keep in mind, “having a Jewish mother’ is not a correct definition, as only some of the Ashkenazi accept it. Karaite accept only patrilineal descent, Reform Ashkenazi accept both matrilineal and patrilineal.
Similarly “circumcised” doesn’t work as Muslims are circumcised.
Jews can be atheists, so it isn’t based on belief in God.
There is no common ethnicity between Ashkenazi, Mizhraic, Sephardic, Karaite, Beta Israel, Bene Israel and the myriad other groups that all claim to be Jewish
There is no overriding universally recognized authority who has the ability to make a definition or list of characteristics of who is Jewish.
If you claim that you know of one, tell me who it is that has this authority, where their definition can be found, and how you know they have this authority.
Describe Irish, Scottish, British or Welsh, dumbfuck.
Irish, Scottish, British or Welsh don’t call themselves religions, dumbfuck.
Israel may be a nation but “Israel” does not equal “Judaism”, nor does any Jew claim that the two are coterminous. Not all Israelis are Jewish, and not all Jews are Israeli.
But, even though it calls itself a religion, Judaism isn’t a religion because atheists can be Jews.
Jews aren’t an ethnicity in the biological or racial sense, as Jewish populations are genetically diverse.
Jews don’t have a common culture – Ashkenazi, Mizhraic, Sephardic, Beta Israel, Bene Israel, Karaite… nothing common to all of them.
So, try again, dumbfuck
You’re a moron.
You don’t know what an Irishman is? Jews don’t come from the Middle East. The overwhelming majority don’t. They are European
You have a black wife. Nuff said.
Ever heard of a genetic test, dimwit? Morons like you call them DNA tests. They work. Better than your tiny brain, that’s for sure.
Hey, dimwit, do you understand that Ashkenazi Jews INSIST on maternal transmission of Judaic identity, yet the mitochondrial DNA of over 80% of Ashkenazi Jews is actually European, not Middle Eastern?
So THEIR OWN DEFINITION FAILS.
Also, there is no such thing as a “Jew gene”.
There is no genetic marker that infallibly indicates you are Jewish.
And, oddly enough, the conversion ritual in EVERY version of Judaism fails to alter the convert’s DNA, almost as if DNA is not a good marker, and Judaism is not a race.
Huh. Go figure. Hitler’s eugenics program was based on a biological fallacy, just like yours.
Well, I’ve taken genetic tests and show no Middle Eastern DNA in my profile. Nor does any other Jew that has taken a DNA test that I know.
In additon, all my ancestors, according to documentation, come from Poland.
Being a Jew was always a religious identity. Somewhere along the line it was invented that we became “a people”.
There are different races that are Jews. Anyone can become a Jew through conversion.
In 1922 Jordan was created in the British Partition Plan to be the Arab (“palestinian”) state. Why does Israel refuse to acknowledge this?
good point
The fake “Palis” refuse to acknowledge that and the Jordanians do not want any more of them as they cause trouble and tried to kill King Hussain years ago.
It has been, but the Jordanians smartly figured out that it was suicidal to accept “Palestinian ” refugees and ignored the British plan. The Christians in Lebanon gladly welcomed them and met the usual fate.
I’m pretty sure Israel recognizes Jordan’s sovereignty, even though it was created by Britishe betrayal and renege.
The only thing missing from the analysis is the involvement of the KGB with Arafat.
true, but I didn’t even bother dealing with the Soviets inventing the whole brand
The KGB was a master of causing subversion in other countries. I think that and novels are the only things the Russians have ever been good at, besides hockey, I suppose.
Their food is terrible except for beef Stroganoff.
RE: “The ‘Palestinians’ are not just an invented people. They’re a badly invented people with no history, no past and whose only talent is for stealing the identities of the ancient indigenous peoples that their invading ancestors from Arabia conquered, persecuted and enslaved.”
I’m no expert, but Mr. Greenfield’s statement strikes me as ignorant. I recommend he read Ron Unz’s several long and clearly sourced pieces on the origins of the Jews and Palestinians.
Unz reports from genetic surveys that today’s Palestinians are the proper descendants of the Biblical Israelites, whereas today’s Jews are descendent from the Carthaginians of classical antiquity.
If Unz is correct in his summary of contemporary scholarship and science on this topic, today’s Israeli Jews are actually the Canaanites whom the Old Testament Palestinians (i.e., Israelites) drove out of Jordan.
That would give both groups considerable history.
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-true-origin-of-the-jews-as-khazars-israelites-or-canaanites/
Speaking of this fictious group of vile haters, just read that Providence City Council voted to fly the “Palestinian” flag over city hall.
Islam never sleeps. It always marches toward the Caliphate, a process that’s sped up thanks to useful idiot dhimmis in the West.
I think the biggest manufacturing sector right now in our country is stupidity.
Palestinianism is the ideology that Europeans hide behind as their excuse to attempt the completion of the Holocaust. Every word of Daniel’s is true, of course, but in the long run counts for nothing, because the antisemite always has his reason for wanting the Jews dead.
Mr Greenfield , I believe you are 6 years late , as Assaf Voll argued the same thing ..but with an empty book. It’s empty not because there isn’t anything to say : it’s empty because that’s what a so-called “Pro Israeli” actually knows : nothing.
That’s why in this void you had to “invent” childish neologisms such as so-called “Palestinianism” and “Pallywood” , because it’s a psychological projection of your Israelism and the roughly 500 Million dollar Hasbara industry , which you seem to unwittingly promote as facts.
A simple view of the archeological , ethnographical , and historical sources stated in the footnote section of Wikipedia articles contradicts everything you said whenever it’s :
A)That Palestinians don’t trace their core origins to the pre-Islamic inhabitants of the Holy Land , including Judeans , or that they were “wiped out” or replaced by Arabians as in the Americas (Almut Nebel 2000, Nathaniel Pearson 2022 , Razib Khan 2023 )
B)That they have no evidence of a Pre-Islamic past or heritage (Mila Neishtadt 2015 , Bassal Ibrahim 2015 ) , including place names of which Edward Robinson used to identify biblical sites , his chief source being simply asking the inhabitants of the land , which you are so adamant on denying their descendants.
C)That the term “Palestine” and “Palestinian” are of colonial origin with no local precedents (Al-Maqdisi ‘Best Divisons’ , Haim Gerber 2009 , Zachary J Foster 2021 )
D) That Palestinian national consciousness does not predate whatever late-20th century year that’s easier for you to pronounce (Muhammad Y. Muslih 1989 , Yehoshua Porath 1976 , Moshe Shemesh 2018) .
E)That Transjordan was part of the Balfour Declaration’s boundaries (Mary Wilson 1995 , Martin Sicker 1999 , Timothy Paris 2005)
Mr Greenfield , it would do good if you and your readers could just learn how to actually research than writing and reading scribbles, or simply admit you are do not care about facts or truths , but want to justify the exile of millions people from their homeland , all on the basis of pseudohistory. If there is any summary to this article in the light of current events in Gaza : it’s that it’s an accusation in the mirror.
I pray you someday wakeup from your actual myths , because it seems clear you don’t know what you are doing.
Oh, how people forget…
“Jews” signed documents affirming the “government of Palestine” and swore their loyalty to it: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10165716948898312&set=pb.740638311.-2207520000&type=3
Many Bible contain the land known as Palestine, not Israel and here’s one from 1881: https://rumble.com/v6dcqk4-palestine-in-1881-bible.html
It’s the Zionists that Muslims, “Jews” and others call out for their lies and regarding this issue.
People should actually read Ilan Pappe’s excellent work on the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. He’s an Israeli historian with documented evidence of crimes of the Israeli government against the Palestinians: https://amzn.to/3GWsngQ
Syria Palestina? That name was coined by Emperor Hadrian and referred to the already extinct by then Philistines. It was region, never a country. The Romans called it Judea.
I used to live in the Pacific Northwest and Midwest. Are those countries or ever have been, you gay fucking retard?
The word “Palestine” is a fabricated term that was made up for the land by the Roman Emperor Hadrian as an insult to the Jews because the Jews and the Philistines, many times, fought each other. For a long time after that “renaming ‘of that land, Both Arabs and Jews living in that land were both referred to as “Palestinians.” Then in 1964, many Arabs started to refer only to themselves as ‘The Palestinians” hoping that would give them some kind of valid claim to that land in the eyes of the different nations of the world. In addition, Yasser Arafat in 1969 further spread the myth of a specific ethnic group or race of people called “the Palestinians.
There never in history was there a “Palestinian state.” Likewise. what is called the “Palestinian flag” is a hoax of a ” flag.”
History reveals that the ancient Philistines recorded in the Bible and history reveals the people who came from the Greek Islands and some parts of the mainland Greece and the Island of Crete They have no connection, at all, the to the Arab /Muslim of modern times who called themselves the “Palestinians.”
From those ancient people, the Philistines, the word “Palestine” .came into being.
There is no genuine ethic group or race who are the “Palestinians.”
Early in the last century a anyone living in that land, Arab or Jew, who lived in that land was called a ”Palestinian.”
Only after 1964 did the Arab/Muslims start to refer to themselves , exclusively , by the word “Palestinian.”
The reason for that is that they felt that by giving themselves that title they would appear to have some kind of valid claim on that land.
Indeed, never in history was there a “Palestinian state.” Any claim that there should be one is an invalid and false claim.
There is an important question, which is “Are there really an ethnic or race of people who may be , rightly called the “ Palestinians” or is that just a hijacked term that the Arabs of the area in the Middle East now exclusively only to themselves without valid genuine proof that such a term is actually fitting for them.
Many reliable scholars and historians on Israel and the entire Middle East have ,rightly, answered that question. Two of them had together have compiled a book on this subject and had revealed, “The Palestinian leadership has repeatedly sought to legitimize their right to the land, by claiming it belongs to them and not the Jews. One of their BIG lies is that the land was always referred to as Palestine. Historically, this is inaccurate ! There has never been a Palestinian state in the history of the world.”
The authors further explain that “The Roman Emperor Hadrian , following the second Jewish revolt led by Simon Kochba , changed the name of Israel to Syria Palestina which he took from the Hebrew word Pelesheth, which we know as Philistia . Why ? Because the Jews hated the Philistines and this was a slap in the face to them.”
Those writers also added that “”What difference does this make ? …. “ They then explained, because it gives the false impression that there was a land of Palestine in ancient times and perpetuates the lie that the Jews took away the Palestinian land.”
In conclusion, “Palestine’ is a man- made fiction therefore, there is no ethnic group or race of people who are real“ Palestinians.” Likewise, the “Palestinian flag is a fake” flag.”
By great contrast, Israel is an historic and Biblical reality, Psalm 135;4.
The book source is entitled Miracle of Israel by Gary Frazier and Jim Fletcher , pages 177,178 179.
Evidence of the existence of a separate group. with a long history as a people, who much later came into existence has a HUGE problem and that is archeological. Jewish history in the land of Israel going back over 3,000 plus years and the artifacts recovered from the excavation of the City of David.
Islam and the convenient use of Arabs, calling themselves by the fictitious name, Palestinians, in submission to their prophet, a religion that began much much later in the 7th century, reveal a historical timeline where there is no evidence of them being a unique people with a history, culture, leaders and artifacts of their existence in the land of Israel.
Mosab Hassan Yousef is an Arab raised in Ramallah and he was told he was a Palestinian. He later admitted there is no such people called “Palestinians”; they are Arabs with genetic roots in the Transjordan area prior to the British carving up the middle eastern deserts of more than 8 million miles into individual countries.
Curiously, those of you seeking passionately to discredit the truth and history of the Jewish people, are mute about the history of Islam and their “prophet”. He was illiterate, a racist, a misogynist, a pedophile, a necrophile and he was the prototype in the Quran verses advocating the sadistic, barbaric psychopathic slaughter of anyone refusing to validate him or Islam..
Perhaps, many of you have avoided watching the videos captured by Hamas and Gazan men on their go-pro cameras of the horrors of what they did, the cheering of the people in Gaza as the captives were being further humiliated and paraded through the streets with the Gazan people in ecstatic jubilation. Apparently, you who cry and attempt to make the people in Gaza the victims refuse to see the truth. HAMAS STARTED A WAR WITH ISRAEL by invading the country. Every war since 1948 was started by Arab countries.
I dare say if such a violent incursion was done in the city where you reside, with your women raped and mutilated, raped again after dying, your children beheaded before your eyes as you helplessly watched the infliction of such barbarity unable to do anything. You might understand. As you sat zip tied as your infants were placed alive in ovens or had their hands and heads cut off before you. YOU ARE COWARDS and your antisemitism is the warped shield you hide behind so you can make martyrs of Islamic psychopaths.
Man o man, There sure are a lot of “dumbfu*k” and dimwit Jew haters on the site today. What never seems to get mentioned is how God spoke to Moses and instructed him to go to Egypt to free the slaves who had been there for 400 years. I guess they weren’t Hebrews either
And yet we have little Sebby (aka Sebastian) who claims that every Jew came from western Europe. How did they get to Israel Sebby? I guess they took a flight on a Boeing Jet, right? And when they finally got to Canaan they encountered the Philistines. Joshua won those battles and the Philistines were defeated. I guess you never heard of David and Goliath. Until Yassir Arafat simply renamed them Palestinians in the 1960s. Funny how they all lived in Jordan. Even the Jordanians didn’t want them. Now they have no homeland so they are pushing their “from the river to the sea” B.S. and their “kill the Jews” Hamas act.
Well Sebby, I guess you are wrong. The Jews have been in what is now Israel for at least three thousand years. But according to you the Jews have only been there since 1948.
Nothing you say makes any sense, but hey, you did “research”, as you say. But you don’t say where. Did you pick up your armband yet? Did I tell you that your nazi act went out of style in 1945.
Shouldn’t you be home washing your husband’s underwear?
We get it. You’re all for bombing innocent Palestinians because they are nothing to you. You want to dehumanize them.
Newsflash they aren’t leaving the Middle East for one, and two Trump is distancing himself from the war monger BiBI. You know the guy whose family and himself are from Poland 🇵🇱 not Israel. Lol
“I did research! I did research! I did research!” Obviously your source material was an elementary schoolbook written in Arabic.
Poor Sebby. All you have is your infantile gay jokes. Because when you can’t respond remotely intelligently that’s your first and last instinct. Maybe you should relocate to Gaza, the last bastion of your Nazi Ideology.
Bottom line, you are just a stupid childish pu$$y wannabe Nazi loudmouth.
“Who’s ‘we’, Sebby?” Yeah, I am for bombing them because they are nothing to me, just as you are nothing to me. Waddya gonna do about it? I would bet you handed out candies to kids after the October 7 massacre, you little pansy coward. You just didn’t want to get your hands dirty, did you.
Here’s a newsflash sh*t for brains. The Jews aren’t going anywhere. Bibi isn’t going anywhere. The Egyptians couldn’t destroy them. The Nazis couldn’t either. The Jews are smarter than them and you. And as for being smarter than you, I wouldn’t exactly call that an accomplishment.
Oh how cute. Fruit loops is trying to act like a tough guy. Lol
Guys like you with sugar in their tanks dont strike fear in anyone. Unless you’re spreading your filthy diseases.
Newsflash: the ottoman census of 1878 showed only 2.5 % of Jews lived in Palestine and 85.5 % were Muslims
Educate yourself clown
So go kill some Jews, wannabe tough guy. Show us what you are made of. I have a feeling it doesn’t take much to strike fear into you. You are already wetting yourself.
The Ottoman census of 1878? Muslim propaganda? That’s your research? Very timely. Does it even exist? And of course the Muslims never lie.
Actually Sebby, you are sounding more and more like a stinking, low rent Muslim with every post. No wonder your English so terrible. Go start a Jihad somewhere. Your AK is in your rat ridden neighborhood basement mosque. Just think you will get to wear your puke green Hamas headband and your black and white Nazi Arm band.
Look tough guy, The Jews are there, in Israel. They have been there for at least 3000 years, before Islam was even invented by the desert rapist of little girls. And since the 1930s they are here as well. There’s not a thing you can do about it, except clack away on that keyboard of yours.
If you have the balls go shoot up a synagogue, you little pansy wannabe jihadist. I think you will find the going a little tougher because Jews are arming themselves.