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[Order Daniel Greenfield’s new book, Domestic Enemies: HERE.]
Thirty-five years after “save a logger, eat an owl” could be seen across the Pacific Northwest, the government environmentalists at US Fish and Wildlife want to kill half a million owls…to save the owls.
In a world of transgender surgeries, terrorist cryptocurrencies, and senile presidents, the Owl Wars that entered the 1990 presidential election seem implausible. But they cost tens of thousands of jobs, wiped out sizable amounts of the logging industry in the Pacific Northwest, and helped solidify Oregon and Washington as hipster strongholds no Republican could win.
It all started with listing the spotted owls as an endangered species. The northern spotted owls (which to non-owl fanciers look like most other owls except smaller) were listed as endangered by that noted scientist, Judge William L. Dwyer, who apart from destroying logging also helped create the Seattle Mariners which placed two crimes against humanity on his checkered soul.
But Dwyer was doing the bidding of the anti-industrial Sierra Club and decided to block timber sales in national forests to save the owls.
“The timber industry no longer drives the Pacific Northwest’s economy,” Judge Dwyer, whose own job as a government appointee was protected by the mandatory confiscation used to pay his ill-gotten salary, wrote. “Job losses in the wood-products industry will continue regardless of whether the northern spotted owl is protected.”
Over 1,500 loggers and family members staged a protest around Hood River, of the kind that has since become familiar in Europe, against the shutdown of their industry.
President George H.W. Bush in his usual squishy manner tried to split the difference. “All across the country, we have a spotted owl problem. And yes, we want to see that little furry, feathery guy protected and all of that. But I don’t want to see 40,000 loggers thrown out of work.”
Bill Clinton, who did want to see 40,000 loggers thrown out of work, won and held an owl summit in Portland on April Fool’s Day featuring Al Gore and a protest rally led by Neil Young. The result of the summit was that the millionaire hipsters and environmentalists who had funded the Clintons won and the loggers who were just trying to feed their families came out the losers.
Clinton cut 80% of logging. Timber prices rose 70% in the first years of the Clinton administration. Housing construction costs rose with it further hurting the middle class. Seattle and Portland became safe spaces for fans of Neil Young and bad music. Republicans, conservatives, and the working class were squeezed out to make way for the owls.
But a funny thing happened on the way to owl nirvana, the owls kept dying.
Logging on federal lands fell by 90% but spotted owl populations also fell by as much as 80%. The number of “furry, feathery guys” today is down 75% since Bill Clinton, Judge Dwyer, and the Sierra Club wiped out loggers to protect them. And owl numbers are falling 2.9% every year.
Environmentalists railed that the Trump administration’s expansion of forest areas where loggers could work was “heartbreaking”, “callous” and “offensive” to an “endangered species”.
But the real threat to the spotted owls wasn’t the loggers, but other owls. Environmentalists had known and lied about the fact that barred owls were expanding their territory and driving out the spotted owls. But the spotted owls provided a convenient excuse for a government power grab.
And now if the spotted owls disappear so does the excuse for government abuses of power.
That’s why US Fish and Wildlife has discussed killing the owls to save the owls. The proposal would use “trained shooters” to kill 470,000 barred owls. (And if enough of the barred owls are killed by the government, maybe they can be listed as an endangered species and protected.)
The Endangered Species Act was supposed to be used to protect species threatened by human behavior, but now the environmentalists are protecting owls from other owls by killing the owls. The same government environmentalists who bemoan the hunters who wiped out the passenger pigeon are now proposing to do the same thing to take sides in the owl wars.
But which owls live or die is not up to us. Nature has its own free market economy. And no amount of shooting barred owls will save the spotted owls. The trouble is that the spotted owls are interbreeding with barred owls. And unless the environmentalists can convince spotted owls to avoid owl miscegenation, the outcome will be some sort of mixed spotted barred owl.
The Biden administration has proposed killing the mixed spotted barred owl because owl miscegenation can only be solved with total owl genocide. The government has already decided which owls belong in Oregon and the Creator, nature, and biology don’t get a say in it. Why can’t nature listen to the “experts”, “scientists” and government instead of doing its own thing?
The Owl Wars have been going on for over three decades now. Since Neil Young and Kenny Loggins were warbling about owls in Portland, the pro-logger Bush administration was replaced by the pro-owl Clinton administration, and then by the pro-logger Bush administration, then the pro-owl Obama administration, the pro-logger Trump administration, and now the pro-owl and anti-owl Biden administration which will save the owls and kill the owls at the same time.
The number of loggers and owls has been declining so the only winners are the government and the barred owls which paid no attention to the judges, presidentists, and environmentalists.
After claiming to love the animals, environmentalists are turning to violence to fight nature. But violence has always been at the root of environmental and other forms of leftist activism.
The Biden administration appointed Tracy Stone-Manning, a former spokeswoman for the eco-terrorist group EarthFirst, to head the Bureau of Land Management. Manning had sent a threatening letter in 1989 warning that the eco-terrorist group had rigged trees with traps. “You bastards go in there anyway and a lot of people could get hurt.”
Tree spikes planted by EarthFirst had wounded a number of loggers and mill workers.
But Tracy and the other government ecoterrorists may find that it’s easier to stop loggers than it is to stop the course of nature no matter how many people or animals they try to kill.
It is difficult to say which is the more invasive species: the barred owls or the government. The coming showdown between the barred owls and the “trained shooters” of US Fish and Wildlife will also determine who decides the fate of the owl population: environmentalists or the owls.
G-d in His infinite wisdom made all the many varieties of owls, but only human beings could be stupid enough to create government, the Sierra Club, and the US Fish and Wildlife Service. In a contest between the works of G-d and the idiot works of man, the government has no chance.
After wiping out logging to save the owls, the government now wants to kill the owls.
My money is on the owls.
Neil says
Gotta Kill Them in order the Save Them Apocalypse Now Bring in the bombers & gunships
Daniel Greenfield says
The Left always destroys what it claims to want to save
the working class
black people
the country
why not the owls?
Kevin Nienhuis says
Maybe the greatest irony in all of this (which the left is oblivious to, of course) is that mankind himself is the real endangered species — has anyone looked at the birthrates in the western world!?! We have looked the spotted owl in the eye, and it is us!!!
Daniel Greenfield says
The civilized world is certainly endangered. And the Left and its Islamist allies are the greatest threat to its survival.
But that’s the whole point.
The Left has become a decivilizational movement.
Jay says
Agriculture is also in their sights. All western nations are coming down hard on agriculture in support of the Gaia Cult. This is alarming. Do they think food magically just appears in the grocery stores?
hrwolfe says
I do not mean to pick on you specifically but the saying “Gotta Kill Them in order the Save Them” as you know is a variation of a comment made about a battle in the village of Ben Tre during the TET Offensive in Vietnam and is a Peter Arnett misquote. What was said by Maj. Chester L. Brown is “in defending the town it was a shame some of it was destroyed.” Arnett’s line was snappier and immediately picked up by the anti-War movement, IE the Communist supporters. I correct this whenever I see it as misinformation has been the stock and trade of Marx and all his supporters. My Source, Stolen Valor by B G Burkett, pages 120/121.
Mo de Profit says
Complete insanity, and it could only have been dreamt up by an academic expert.
Daniel Greenfield says
that’s what academia ia good for, rationalizing what would be utter madness if you actually broke it down
Luonne Dumak says
Get rid of endangered species act. At the rate they are killing all types of birds, fish, etc, there won’t be any species to worry about. Never underestimate the stupidity of tje over educated morons.
BettyO says
The only benefit from the Endangered Species Act – the threatened/endangered Desert Tortoise and Joshua Tree help us resist the ongoing drive to cover the deserts of California with foreign investors’ solar fields.
Sierra Club has been on the wrong side of “protecting” animals and landscapes for years. Thank you, Sierra Club, for all the wildfires in mismanaged forests (not good for any owls).
jcr says
Just leave the owls alone. They (nature) will figure it out.
Neil Young? Bad music! YES! I heard so much of him repeated on a Home Depot music loop (I worked there 3yrs), it made want to barf.
Daniel Greenfield says
a home depot man don’t have any use for Neil Young anyhow
Jeff Bargholz says
I’m ashamed to admit I love a lot of Neil Young’s songs. Who doesn’t love “Cowgirl in the Sand” or “Harvest Moon?” It’s like eating breakfast with the devil. You know you shouldn’t do it but you do it anyway because you’re hungry.
Js says
These people may be on to something. If they could only look at the saving of our already established population and find some way to protect it from an invasion of other cultures.
Why do the environmentalists get up in arms about invasive species but give a pass to invasions from the border people?
Daniel Greenfield says
because they want to destroy America
in our case, they champion the barred owls and in the case of the UK, the grey squirrels (note spelling) over the red squirrels
https://www.danielgreenfield.org/2007/10/dying-of-west-of-squirrels-and-men.html
There is a particular bitter irony to the West’s preoccupation with extinction among animals even as the West itself is slowly becoming extinct.
The animal lowers and the conservationists of America and Europe build habitats for endangered creatures, monitor their numbers, worry over their low birth rates and never give a thought to the fact that some higher being might well look down on the men and women of the West and see no more than endangered animals, eagles, bears, badgers and wolves in business suits with headphones on their ears and low birth rates shrinking away into the darkness of final extinction.
Now Redesdale seemed to be summoning his nerve. I mean killing things to me is bad,” he said. “I’m all for it but at some point you have to nail your colors to the mast.”
I had by that point learned more about Redesdale: he and his wife met at a human rights conference; he has mixed feelings about being a lord. he joined the Liberal Democrats, a party that, he points out proudly, is to the left of Labor; and he does not like guns (“I don’t see the sport in hunting”).
All the same, Redesdale was the officer; Parker, the enlisted man. If Redesdale did not kill the squirrel, he would never be able to lead. And had his family not led for 1,000 years?
Parker handed the air rifle to Redesdale, and he pointed it.
“That’s the, uh, trigger?” Redesdale said.
“That’s right,” Parker said.
“I know it’s bad when they run,” Redesdale apologized. I thought I saw the warm-vomit look in his eyes.
“They’re dead when they do that, aren’t they?” Redesdale said, sounding more Macbeth than Prince Hal. Parker assured him it was dead: these were just the death throes.
THX 1138 says
“The animal lowers [sic] and the conservationists of America and Europe build habitats for endangered creatures, monitor their numbers, worry over their low birth rates and never give a thought to the fact that some higher being might well look down on the men and women of the West and see no more than endangered animals, eagles, bears, badgers and wolves in business suits with headphones on their ears and low birth rates shrinking away into the darkness of final extinction.”
The moral purpose of an individual’s life is the pursuit and achievement of his personal happiness, not the survival of the species, the survival of the Aryan Race, the survival of the Chinese Race, or the survival of the Borg. The individual is NOT a mere appendage of the homo sapiens species.
Intrepid says
Honestly, who gives an F.
Who the hell are you to say what the purpose of any individuals life is. Amazing what you busy yourself with.
Jeff Bargholz says
Your money on the owls is a sure bet. The barred owls AND the spotted owls. As if barred owls drive out spotted owls from their “territory.” Owls aren’t territorial.
Spotted owls don’t just live in the Pacific Northwest. They live in isolated mountain ranges like the San Bernardino mountains in Southern California where beautiful Big Bear lake is located. I saw one there. (Lots of bald eagles around the lake, too.) They thrive in other island mountain ranges in southern California, and from the mountains of Central California all the way to Canada. They live in Arizona, Utah Colorado and New Mexico. There is an innumerable population in Mexico.
And I don’t believe for a second that the government and environ-mental case organizations can accurately count .them, not that they try. They just want to bamboozle the public into de facto opposition to logging, which those lunatics hate.
Nobody knows what the the spotted owl population in the Pacific Northwest is, although it’s doubtlessly numerous, and we all know the government and “green” groups will falsify the count without counting, just like the global warmunists. They’re a bunch of Rachel Carsons.
The only way to count an owl species is by listening to their vocalizations at night and I have to point out that that’s an ineffective method, to say the least.
You’re right. This is all political bullshit.
Daniel Greenfield says
They count the owls the way social services counts the homeless and the way environmentalists count polar bears.
The goal is to achieve a number that will do good things for their annual budget.
Semaphore says
I lived in southern Oregon about the time all this spotted owl hysteria began. I saw a vital economy of timber, lumber, commercial fishing, and mining deteriorate into a service economy catering to rich retirees from California. I also saw an underground drug trafficing economy grow and thrive. The unintended consequences of environmental regulation…
As someone once said (Washington?), government is force, not capable of anything but regulation. Timber companies, on the other hand, manage. To stay in business, they needed to. And the edge land they produced through clear-cutting actually aided wildlife populations, including the cannonized spotted owl. But then, force isn’t rational. It requires obedience, or else. Enough said…
Alkflaeda says
If the government is going to control people, it has to move all processes for meeting human needs as far as possible from nature. Otherwise, people might retain the skills and resources required for self-sufficiency when the bank cards of all of those refusing a 15th booster jab for Hu-Flung-Dung virus mark 98 are cancelled.
Birder says
“……..and now the pro-owl and anti-owl Biden administration which will save the owls and kill the owls at the same time.”
Seriously, you can’t make this stuff up!! We live in the nuttiest time period in history thanks to the leftists! What’s even crazier is that no one stops them!
PS-my money’s on the owls too! (as per my moniker!)
Daniel Greenfield says
The government has three important jobs, killing owls, saving owls and keeping the borders open.
Steve Kardas says
The obsession with this bird is weird. I wonder what would happen if it is discovered that wind turbines were killing Spotted Owls…….
Daniel Greenfield says
then they would throw the middle class into the wind turbines first to shield the spotted owls
Kynarion Hellenis says
And save the middle class.
KenPF says
If “spotted owls are interbreeding with barred owls” they aren’t separate species and neither is “endangered”. Both are producing descendants of a “mixed spotted barred owl” kind. Favoring one or the other is a sort of eugenic race purity for owls.
This one is right up there with the Bill Gates idea of burying millions of trees because they have carbon in them. Trees used to be good … now they’re bad.
Next they’ll be telling to hunt whales again.
Daniel Greenfield says
it’s okay for minority groups to hunt whales because it’s part of their culture
it was also okay for the Communists to hunt whales to extinction
“The USSR killed 338,000 whales. Its relentless illegal whaling fleets drove the blue whale into extinction in the North Pacific and caused population crashes in a number of other species”.
and for wind farms to kill whales
hunting whales is only bad when done by heterosexual white men who haven’t checked their whale hunting privilege
SPURWING PLOVER says
Okay Audubon Society what have you to say about this!? Where are you Sierra Club?! the Eco-Freaks just look the other way and wait for next big Oil Spill which could happen because Biden the Blunder and you Granola Bar Munchers oppose drilling in the ANWR
THX 1138 says
“G-d in His infinite wisdom made all the many varieties of owls, but only human beings could be stupid enough to create government, the Sierra Club, and the US Fish and Wildlife Service. In a contest between the works of G-d and the idiot works of man, the government has no chance.”
This is why the worship of the supernatural is at its core the hatred of the natural world and of man. Because man is not omniscient, he is stupid and contemptible, because man is not omnipotent, he is pathetic, pitiful, and laughable
Monotheism commands that man sacrifice himself to Almighty God, that man’s duty is to be the servant of Almighty God. Environmentalism commands that man sacrifice himself to the Almighty Spotted Owl, that man’s duty is to be the servant of the Almighty Spotted Owl.
Intrepid says
God for bid we don’t protect wildlife.
Fortunately we don’t have to protect whack jobs like you. At least we know you hate animals.
Don’t get a dog.
Alkflaeda says
The monotheistic faith that I’m part of suggests that mutual submission is practised within the Godhead, and recognises that the gift of human freewill involves Divine self-limitation. When we are asked to give ourselves, it is in response to the love that we continue to be given, and by it we are privileged to be invited into the circle of love within the Trinity. It is in that context that we are able most fully to realise who we truly are – Paul saw marriage as a picture of Christ and the church, and marriage at its best is characterised by exactly this quality of mutuality and reciprocity.
Mark Sochor says
The God I believe in isn’t expecting my sacrifice only my salvation’. And my respect for God also includes his creation. So, as usual, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Maybe you’re referring to Beelzebub, I mean Allah..
FDTS says
“We must destroy it in order to save it.”
Once the the insane ravings of a lunatic, today the official motto of the federal government. This is what happens when unchecked bureaucrats, drunk on their own power, are allowed free reign.
Observer says
“We must destroy it in order to save it.”
That was the same idea the Judeo-Christian God – drunk on his own power – implemented in sending the Flood. Somehow Jews and Christians think that was just fine. God and liberals work in mysterious ways.
Alkflaeda says
God destroyed what was evil in the Flood. That is not what is happening in relation to the owls. There is also the minor matter of God having a better idea of what he is about than well-meaning environmentalists necessarily do.
It has been suggested that it may have been the Flood that finished off the dinosaurs; given that they do not appear to have been amongst the animals that Noah was commanded to save, is it possible that they were one of the products of the fallen angels (see the first book of Enoch, which, although it is uncanonical, is quoted by the apostle Jude).
Kevin Nienhuis says
HUH??? You make NO sense … In the Biblical account, God put two of every species on the ark and did a reset on creation … Nothing was driven to extinction, nothing was “destroyed in order to save it” …
Verneoz says
“Environmentalists Killed Logging to Protect Owls. Now They Want to Kill the Owls.” Environmentalism was taken over in the 1970s by radical anti-capitalists and Marxists. Today, it is a political movement, actually unconcerned about the environment at all, that is hell bent to shut down capitalism, & destroy the United States by growing a tyrannical omnipresent government and take people’s property by increasing taxes.
MuggsSpongedice says
so who is going to count the murdered owls until the number gets to 470,000? Not deforesting by sane logging practices is why we have had out of control fires on the Pacific Coast states for years.
Patricia says
Yes, the spotted owl has crossed over the Rainbow Bridge to join the now extinct Delta smelt, a tiny fish used by the California extremists to stop farmers from using water to actually, you know, farm.
Liatris Spicata says
“northern spotted owls (which to non-owl fanciers look like most other owls except smaller) ”
Appearances are next to irrelevant. Where they fit into an ecological niche is supremely important to those who value the preservations of ecosystems.
“Environmentalists had known and lied about the fact that barred owls were expanding their territory and driving out the spotted owls. But the spotted owls provided a convenient excuse for a government power grab.”
I don’t know they “lied about it”, and Daniel provides no evidence for his claim. He’s a broken record about “a government power grab”, providing no insight into the underlying rationale.
“The Endangered Species Act was supposed to be used to protect species threatened by human behavior, but now the environmentalists are protecting owls from other owls by killing the owls. The same government environmentalists who bemoan the hunters who wiped out the passenger pigeon …”
I would hazard a guess that the barred owls are spreading into spotted owl territory as a result of anthropogenic changes to ecosystems. In general, we should strive to preserve ecosystems, as we may not know when essential biological systems are compromised until it is too late. The extinction of the passenger pigeon- which once darkened the skies for days at a time- was a classic example of unbridled human folly whose damage to the fabric of life in North America will never be fully known. Moreover, humans did it not for any need of their own, but simply for their own idiotic pleasure.
“But which owls live or die is not up to us. Nature has its own free market economy.”
That is an idiotic statement, Daniel: it very often is up to us. We can blindly plunder and despoil the natural world, it is not Nature’s “free market economy. With insight- of which Daniel shows nary a scintilla- and wisdom, we can seek to live in some harmony with it. Daniel clearly has no appreciation for Creation; some of us do.
“After claiming to love the animals, environmentalists are turning to violence to fight nature.”
What utter twaddle. Given the enormous destruction of natural habitats by humans, we need to manage the wild. Yes, that may involve killing invasive species.
I am saddened to see this ignorant diatribe from Daniel, one which evaluates complex scientific matters solely through an ideological prism. People like him will leave our descendants with a greatly impoverished world.
Tionico says
I hve lived in Spotted Owl territory since the early 1970’s. I have also been quite close to this entire area for that time,
WHere do YOU live, and what actual hands-on connexion do YOU have upon which to base your pontifications?
You are the one tootling into the wind, cluelessly.
Liatris Spicata says
Simply because you happen to live there gives you no special expertise or insight into managing biological systems.
I notice you couldn’t bestir yourself to address any of the points I raised. As such, your comment simply amounts to hot air.
Back From Space says
“Direct observation has nothing to do with Science™! I don’t care what your white man scientific method says! Science™ is a *feeling*!”
Totally not a cult.
Patricia says
Yes, these are complex systems, all the more reason to tread lightly and regulate minimally, lest you create even more problems than the one you are supposedly fixing. This has happened with many “crises” lately.
As Thomas Howell has said, there are no perfect situations, only tradeoffs. So now thousands of people have lost their jobs, lumber for building is overpriced, the forests grow unmanaged, and the owls have not been “saved” after all.
Liatris Spicata says
I don’t see any awareness by Daniel or most of the people here about trade offs. It’s all the evils of regulators, the difficult adjustment people had to make, and outright mockery of need to cull the invasive barred owl.
I do think national parks and forests are managed. As for your treading lightly comment, and while I generally tend to agree with that sentiment, in a case like this I favor more robust regulation if that is required to save an apex predictor from extinction in the USA. I think thus far, the spotted owl has been “saved”, although I would say it has merely not been driven to extinction, as so many species are today.
Old Fogey says
No person with a conscience is currently employed by the Executive Branch of the US Federal Government.
owensgate says
This makes as much Leftist sense as, to “protect” the Climate from “Man caused” CO2, declaring it an existential emergency and passing useless regulations being like, no, being EXACTLY as declaring the Unicorn an “endangered species”, so “Unicorn habitat” must be enlarged and conserved, and Unicorn breeding programs started! SAVE THE UNICORNS!
Daniel Greenfield says
Save the Unicorns is ideal because unlike polar bears and spotted owls, it’s an inherently unsolvable problem.
Just think of the lifetime employment in the unicorn field.
Alkflaeda says
According to an advertising campaign by an investment brokerage about 20 years ago, we are several millennia too late to save the unicorn – the firm sponsored poignant posters of a beautiful unicorn standing on the shore in the rain, as the shuttered Noah’s Ark is borne away by swirling floodwaters, and captioned it “Timing is everything”.
owensgate says
There is another cartoon, animals in line boarding the Ark, one unicorn, undoubtably the female, says to her mate, “Forget it – I’m not standing here in this rain!”
Alkflaeda says
I liked the one where Mrs Noah says to her husband busy with his construction “That was our money for a rainy day.”
SPURWING PLOVER says
SAVE THE GREAT AUK SAVE THE PASSENGER PIGEON(Rememember Martha) SAVE THE HEATH HEN(Booming Ben) SAVE THE DODO SAVE THE CAROLINA PARAKEET SAVE THE LABRADOR DUCK
Liatris Spicata says
Daniel, I assumed you had a more insightful mind. You have made a number of juvenile comments here, and this is one of them.
Liatris Spicata says
Anyone even casually interested in a thoughtful perspective on the barred vs spotted owl controversy would do well to go here. Despite how barred and spotted owls may look similar to untrained eyes, they fill very different ecological niches. Imagine considering the perspective of someone who actually understands something about biodiversity as opposed to that of an ideologue!
Tionico says
The Pacific Northwest has been my hyome for fifty years. I have been here, and close to it ll, from long before the own business was coopted for poitical reasons.
Ckose friend of mine was grade school pals with one of the National Forest agencies back when the own business eripted. My friend went and asked HIS friend.. hey, what’s the deal with the owls. Professional forester/head of the agency responded: the whole thing is a sick joke. Those owls have nothing to do with anything. They were carefully selected as a sort of talisman because Uncle Stoopid decided the PNW should get out of timber as the basis for the ecomony of the region. The owls were selected because no one really knows anything about them, and they were “cute”. Heartstrings would be yanked hard by a “save the owns” campaign. The timber industry would just have to go away.
That from a head honcho who WAS in a position to know.
It was ballyhooed about that the NSOwl would ONLY breed in “old growh forest”. Well I have personally observed that own nesting and breeding in the crosstrees of the high tension long distance power transmission lines that crisscross this region. Old growth? Yeah, and my Mother in Law, at ninety, can stilll run a marathon. (oh did I mention that I am not married and thus do not even HAVE a Mother n Law?)
I have watched as poverty has overtan=ken this entire region because of the end of timber, prices for any buildong have tripled and more, and the “tech sector” has exploded, along with its attendant ills. Large timber companies, family owned enterprises of four and five generations have been forced to divest, end certain phases of their operation, and values drop through the large holein the ground formed in the vacuum.
Now that same stupid government are going after the deep sea fishing industry in this area. Never content toallow citizens to make wise decisions, or to prosper. The infestion of California’s entiro policies has been ozzing north for three generations. Maybe Alaska IS the last frontier?
Daniel Greenfield says
Thank you for sharing your experiences. It is indeed an absurdity that quickly turns into an evil.
Liatris Spicata says
“It was ballyhooed about that the NSOwl would ONLY breed in “old growh forest”. Well I have personally observed that own nesting and breeding in the crosstrees of the high tension long distance power transmission lines that crisscross this region. ”
In and of itself, that means absolutely nothing, sir. Well actually, it does mean something: it is a vivid example of how shallow and tendentious your arguments are.
The fact that some opportunistic spotted owls will breed in developed areas does not mean the species is sustainable in such environments. After all, they are living in an area in which they would likely be outcompeted by other owl species- the entire issue that sparked this controversy.
How many generations would they (the spotted owls) survive there? It appears you don’t bother to think to ask that question (and, I suspect, do not care what the answer is).
Back From Space says
“The owls were selected because no one really knows anything about them, and they were “cute”. Heartstrings would be yanked hard by a “save the owns” campaign.”
Current lunatic Liatris Spicata is Exhibit A. Spiders are just as important for biodiversity, which this mouthbreather only understands as a buzzword anyway, yet he/she/it latched onto owls. Spiders are scary but owls are cute, so spiders don’t get angry ignorant rants about “muh bayoh deeverzitee”. Poor spiders.
Kevin Nienhuis says
Sheesh! Way to go, Daniel, now my inner Rodney King is screaming “What can’t all the owls just get along!?!” Then again, my inner misquoted Donald Trump is saying, “There are good owls on both sides of this issue!” … And the owls who’ve transitioned from ‘barred’ to ‘spotted’ are yelling “Let us live!!!” … Gosh darn it, my head hurts thanks to you … !
Spurwing Plover says
Save a Owl Eat a Enviromentalists
rmt says
These same Democrats are bemoaning the lack of housing being built in America, which drives up the cost of buying a new home. In order to build houses, you need wood. Yes, the same wood that loggers would produce for housing. Yes, that same wood that is now not being produced due to Democrat/environmentalists attempts to shut down the logging industry.
So, the logging industry shutdown efforts have come full circle to bite the Democrats in the butt who need more housing to solve the homeless problems that many Democrat politicians are trying to deal with.
Daniel Greenfield says
The Dems don’t want housing to be built. They want a shortage of housing thus creating a problem. And then they can demand urbanization and housing projects to compensate for the housing shortage they caused.
But that’s what the Left always does.
Alkflaeda says
That’s how we know that the UNRWA are the ultimate Leftists, because they perpetuate the refugee status of the people they claim to serve, rather than helping them to their feet and stepping back. If parents behaved like this, no child would ever learn to walk.
Liatris Spicata says
Well Daniel, not being a Dem, I cannot speak for them. But it’s simply untrue to say that environmentalists “don’t want housing to be built”. In general, I would say we want growth to be sustainable and to respect natural ecosystems.
You evidence zero concern over such matters. I guess cutting down 95% of the old growth forest in the Pacific northwest doesn’t suffice for you- you want it all. I think you are well over your skis when it comes to commenting on scientific matters.
TRex says
Something tells me these “environmentalists” wouldn’t want to live in the world they seek to create.
Liatris Spicata says
I doubt that our great grandchildren will want to live in the world we are creating- certainly not if they appreciate the vast biological heritage their forefathers destroyed. We are leaving them a greatly impoverished world, and the implications of that are ominous.
SPURWING PLOVER says
They clam hr Marbled Merlet needs Old Growth Timber but a range map in any Bird Field Guide shows its range from the San Fransico Bay the Alaska Panhandle
Liatris Spicata says
The fact you cite may be true. However, it also is irrelevant. The range in which they are observed is a subset of the range in which they can sustainably survive.
Liatris Spicata says
That should have read:
The range in which they can sustainably survive is a subset of the range in which they are observed.
The observed range is typically what field guides report..
Back From Space says
No, it should have read, “I have no idea what I’m blathering on about, so have some buzzword salad I grabbed from all the garbage environmental cult pamphlets I’ve accumulated over the years.”